Kucinich 08!!!

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  • Urban Hiker
    Urban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    I'm happy to see that Kucinich is running again. I found out about him late in the game last time. This is why becoming informed before the primaries is so important, huh?

    I would feel good about voting for Kucinich. Couldn't say the same about Kerry, so I stuck with Nader in the last election.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    Again...I'm only focused on the preseant.....you can take your frustrations of the past, but if you honestly care about humanity, and life and death issues, pulling out now is not what you want to do. if we were to pull out, a full scall civil war would erupt....the death would be imaginable...that's the thing that's frustrating from my point of view. We all agree W is a dip shit...but this is bigger than him...people that would otherwise be alive are going to die if we just pack up and leave. are you on the left prepared to have that blood on your hands?


    You're not listening to anything I'm typing. I disagree with your assessment that funding more war will equal less war somehow for the Iraqi people. I offered a solution to you which i think will be much better and you haven't addressed it. You don't have to agree with a peacekeeping solution but quit acting as if I'm saying let's simply get out and say 'screw the Iraqis' because thats the opposite from what I've said. It clear your talking point is going to be 'Anti war and no more funding for war equals doom to the Iraqis.' But that's not it at all....that's just how people like Kucinich will be smeared by war supporters. I've said nothing about hating W so leave that shit outta this. And for the last time I don't believe the pull out solution will cause us to have blood on our hands....I believe the EXACT opposite.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Pansy Pearl wrote:
    I would feel good about voting for Kucinich. Couldn't say the same about Kerry, so I stuck with Nader in the last election.

    Good for you! I should have, too. I'm voting my conscience this time.
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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    I bet he'd need a booster seat on Air Force One to look out the window.. not gonna work. :p

    Seriously, I'm thinking Obama is the guy everyone needs to put their energy into. I could be wrong though. It is early.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I bet he'd need a booster seat on Air Force One to look out the window.. not gonna work. :p

    Seriously, I'm thinking Obama is the guy everyone needs to put their energy into. I could be wrong though. It is early.


    If people are voting on height as an important issue then we really do have a intellect problem in this country.

    'Oh, the guy sounds brilliant but dude he's short.'

    I'm putting my energy into who I decide is the best choice this time. Feel free to support whomever you choose.
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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    If people are voting on height as an important issue then we really do have a intellect problem in this country.
    Unfortunately that is a factor. Height is symbolic for power and authority. With the exception of Bush (who cheated anyways), the taller candidate has always won. I'm not saying its right. I'm just telling you how it is unfortunately.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    Unfortunately that is a factor. Height is symbolic for power and authority. With the exception of Bush (who cheated anyways), the taller candidate has always won. I'm not saying its right. I'm just telling you how it is unfortunately.


    Well it's not how it has to be nor is it set in stone. I'm not voting based on height and I wouldn't recommend it either. I'll go for what's right not what's popular or usual.
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,263
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    What has he said or done that is so weird? If by weird you mean, be a Dem who actually puts himself on the line and votes against spending for the war then yeah, I see what you mean. :p I think he is strong candidate and is nothing but consistant on his stances. He's nothing like the likes of Kerry who was too afraid to actually stand up for anything and only worried about appeasing swing voters. He doesn't do the usual Dem double speak where they say one thing and do the exact opposite. It's quite refreshing and hopeful, IMO.

    Kucinich can act that way because he knows he can't win. It is a different story when you are actually a serious candidate.

    Edit: Kucinich could declare that he is bigger than Jesus and it won't affect his vote totals.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Well it's not how it has to be nor is it set in stone. I'm not voting based on height and I wouldn't recommend it either. I'll go for what's right not what's popular or usual.

    Are you saying Ed will never be President? :)
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    gue_barium wrote:
    Are you saying Ed will never be President? :)

    Oops, quoted the wrong one.

    You're saying Ed could be President, basically.
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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Well it's not how it has to be nor is it set in stone. I'm not voting based on height and I wouldn't recommend it either. I'll go for what's right not what's popular or usual.
    No, it doesn't have to be that way. I have respect for your decision. Most americans don't do their research nor care much. When it comes down to the end, the taller more likeable guy usually wins. Again, not right, but how it is. If everyone who voted took an afternoon to really research what they are doing it wouldn't be a factor.
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    You're not listening to anything I'm typing. I disagree with your assessment that funding more war will equal less war somehow for the Iraqi people. I offered a solution to you which i think will be much better and you haven't addressed it. You don't have to agree with a peacekeeping solution but quit acting as if I'm saying let's simply get out and say 'screw the Iraqis' because thats the opposite from what I've said. It clear your talking point is going to be 'Anti war and no more funding for war equals doom to the Iraqis.' But that's not it at all....that's just how people like Kucinich will be smeared by war supporters. I've said nothing about hating W so leave that shit outta this. And for the last time I don't believe the pull out solution will cause us to have blood on our hands....I believe the EXACT opposite.

    I'm not saying it's your position that we should just leave, and screw the Iraqs, but that is the impression i'm getting from grandman Pelosi...I think we can all agree that W is a dipshit...but it's sad to see political opposition potentially lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths. that is reality. if we leave Iraq, there will be a bloodbath.

    Anyone who actually cares about human suffering, realizes that. Seriously, what happens if we leave vs. if we stay? what is the death toll? these are serious questions.
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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    I'm not saying it's your position that we should just leave, and screw the Iraqs, but that is the impression i'm getting from grandman Pelosi...I think we can all agree that W is a dipshit...but it's sad to see political opposition potentially lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths. that is reality. if we leave Iraq, there will be a bloodbath.

    Anyone who actually cares about human suffering, realizes that. Seriously, what happens if we leave vs. if we stay? what is the death toll? these are serious questions.
    I think we should just leave.. and the government to stop spending my tax money on the war and give it back to me, or maybe spend it on a beneficial cause.
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I think we should just leave.. and the government to stop spending my tax money on the war and give it back to me, or maybe spend it on a beneficial cause.

    you should probably take that up with your 8th grade social studies teacher
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    I'm not saying it's your position that we should just leave, and screw the Iraqs, but that is the impression i'm getting from grandman Pelosi...I think we can all agree that W is a dipshit...but it's sad to see political opposition potentially lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths. that is reality. if we leave Iraq, there will be a bloodbath.

    Anyone who actually cares about human suffering, realizes that. Seriously, what happens if we leave vs. if we stay? what is the death toll? these are serious questions.

    Privatization of the oil is what the fighting is about. And even if all the American troops leave, there's some oily little American businessmen with their fingers in the well. What might best serve Iraq is what Chavez did in Venezuela with their oil, and a few little greedy pricks are scared to death that that's what's going to happen. Iraqi's included.
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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    you should probably take that up with your 8th grade social studies teacher
    oookay.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    I'm not saying it's your position that we should just leave, and screw the Iraqs, but that is the impression i'm getting from grandman Pelosi...I think we can all agree that W is a dipshit...but it's sad to see political opposition potentially lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths. that is reality. if we leave Iraq, there will be a bloodbath.

    Anyone who actually cares about human suffering, realizes that. Seriously, what happens if we leave vs. if we stay? what is the death toll? these are serious questions.


    You don't have the market cornered on humanitarianism with your opinions, Purple Hawk. And just because you say that its reality doesn't make it so. I disagree and I don't care how many times you reply to me telling your way is the only truely caring way.....I DON'T BELIEVE THAT TO BE THE CASE. That's my reality. Feel free to keep yours....but don't act like it's the only possibility out there. The world is filled with many alternate possibilties that could work just fine.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    No, it doesn't have to be that way. I have respect for your decision. Most americans don't do their research nor care much. When it comes down to the end, the taller more likeable guy usually wins. Again, not right, but how it is. If everyone who voted took an afternoon to really research what they are doing it wouldn't be a factor.


    I agree.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    gue_barium wrote:
    Privatization of the oil is what the fighting is about. And even if all the American troops leave, there's some oily little American businessmen with their fingers in the well. What might best serve Iraq is what Chavez did in Venezuela with their oil, and a few little greedy pricks are scared to death that that's what's going to happen. Iraqi's included.

    which is the reason we overthrew a democraticaly elected leader in iran in the 50's and installed a repressive thug....
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    The best move to peace in Iraq would be for America to support the Nationalization of Iraq's oil. It could even be short-term, like 10-20 years, just enough time for these folks get their shit together.


    Of course, that aint going to happen with America in there, so here we taxpayers are throwing our money away for the benefit of a few dipshits. We're being robbed. The Iraqi people are being robbed.

    So, to me, it's one or the other, nationlize the oil, or get the fuck out and let the Iraqis figure it out for themselves.
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