Dutch elections...hopefull???

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  • Kushikushun
    Kushikushun Posts: 1,263
    Obi Once wrote:
    Think so? I agree Rita is a bitch...

    Rita is not only that, she is completely incompetent!!!!! Aggggrrrhhhh, hmpf just had to let that out! I am sorry, its just that I spend a great time teaching NT2 lessons to fugitive students and heard all their stories...I am a tiny bit biased I guess. ;)
    Why not be mediocre and be the best at it that you can be?
  • Obi Once
    Obi Once Posts: 918
    Kushikushun wrote:
    OK, equally bad then...hehe.
    So now that our Anerican friends have been able to turn the table, lets see what we can do here....!
    I expect some change, but it's a close call if PvdA (sort of Dutch labbour) will win from CDA (Christian conservatives) and be able to make a coalition without them, but if SP (socialists) get the votes the polls give them, change is garanteed.
    Kushikushun wrote:
    Rita is not only that, she is completely incompetent!!!!! Aggggrrrhhhh, hmpf just had to let that out! I am sorry, its just that I spend a great time teaching NT2 lessons to fugitive students and heard all their stories...I am a tiny bit biased I guess. ;)
    NT2?
    Verdonk is a puppet with a bad spindoctor who wants to create a female version of the heritage Fortuijn.
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  • disconnected
    disconnected Posts: 2,875
    Well, I actually think we'd better make sure we get PvdA, SP and Groenlinks as the leading parties in Holland.
  • Kushikushun
    Kushikushun Posts: 1,263
    Obi Once wrote:
    NT2?

    NT2= Dutch language as a second language. It was a group of foreign students who first had to learn Dutch before they could enter the "normal" system. I teached them fine arts. But after all the bull**** from Pim and others alike a lot of fugitive 'camps' were closed in the area.
    Obi Once wrote:
    Verdonk is a puppet with a bad spindoctor who wants to create a female version of the heritage Fortuijn.

    Right on!

    Still 12 days till lift off.....
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  • Kushikushun
    Kushikushun Posts: 1,263
    Still 4 days untill lift off....I am getting nervous. Seems like Balkenende is taking over a bit.
    What should we do; give all the votes to the PVDA so they can finally take over, or just vote for the party that we like most?
    Why not be mediocre and be the best at it that you can be?
  • Kushikushun
    Kushikushun Posts: 1,263
    Kushikushun wrote:
    Still 4 days untill lift off....I am getting nervous. Seems like Balkenende is taking over a bit.
    What should we do; give all the votes to the PVDA so they can finally take over, or just vote for the party that we like most?


    hmmm, just wanted to say that pVDA is also not all what it should be, but well better than our man of "values and morals" Balken-einde!!
    Why not be mediocre and be the best at it that you can be?
  • Cuntified C
    Cuntified C Posts: 114
    Ik ben engelse maar ik aan het nederlans leren! Ik heb veel gehoord over de problemen in de Nederlands een de vermoord van Theo Van Gogh een Pim Fortyn! Het zou me niet verbasen als in de toekomst zijn er meer van misdaads en problemen tussen de muslims en de andere personen die daar ook wonen!

    Basically, I wouldn't be surprised if tension between the muslims and non muslims were to increase or a terrorist attack were to take place at some point in the future. Not that I would wish for that on anyone, in any country no matter what. I have heard that in the recent past, 4 muslims houses were burned down by middle class dutch people. Not even the yobs but the middle class, well educated, ought to know better class of people. My Dutch friend told me this because his sister lives in the Hague and it was on her street that all this shit took place!
  • Obi Once
    Obi Once Posts: 918
    Cuntified C wrote:
    Ik ben engelse maar ik aan het nederlans leren! Ik heb veel gehoord over de problemen in de Nederlands een de vermoord van Theo Van Gogh een Pim Fortyn! Het zou me niet verbasen als in de toekomst zijn er meer van misdaads en problemen tussen de muslims en de andere personen die daar ook wonen!

    Basically, I wouldn't be surprised if tension between the muslims and non muslims were to increase or a terrorist attack were to take place at some point in the future. Not that I would wish for that on anyone, in any country no matter what. I have heard that in the recent past, 4 muslims houses were burned down by middle class dutch people. Not even the yobs but the middle class, well educated, ought to know better class of people. My Dutch friend told me this because his sister lives in the Hague and it was on her street that all this shit took place!
    Ahh my hometown! Yes I remember that incident, but 4 houses? Umm I dunno..

    I don't see any terrorist action in a near future happening here, but I could be wrong. And yes there are tensions, but I think they are the same with almost every society that have groups of different etnicity.

    Leuk dat je Nederlands leert, het gaat best goed.
    Nice to see that you're learning Dutch, and getting pretty good at it.
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  • Obi Once
    Obi Once Posts: 918
    Kushikushun wrote:
    Still 4 days untill lift off....I am getting nervous. Seems like Balkenende is taking over a bit.
    What should we do; give all the votes to the PVDA so they can finally take over, or just vote for the party that we like most?
    I'm leaning towards voting PvdA. I want to see change and Balkenende and Verdonk out of office.

    Edit:

    Maybe this sheds some light for non-Dutch readers:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_politics#States-General
    your light's reflected now
  • melodious
    melodious Posts: 1,719
    Obi Once wrote:
    I'm surprised many people around me would rather see Balkenende have another term instead of Bos. The thing I hear is that they don't trust him, mainly because he worked for Shell.

    I think Bos made a good point friday on Balkenende's behavoir in Washington. And I also think he could lead ths country. I'm not sure yet who will get my vote, but the choice is limited to 3 parties.
    obi, this is sort of like arnie schwarzneiger.....he doesn't rep the working class of cali; but yet he beat out both the democrats and the independents....can't understand that at all....
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  • Kushikushun
    Kushikushun Posts: 1,263
    Cuntified C wrote:
    Ik ben engelse maar ik aan het nederlans leren! Ik heb veel gehoord over de problemen in de Nederlands een de vermoord van Theo Van Gogh een Pim Fortyn! Het zou me niet verbasen als in de toekomst zijn er meer van misdaads en problemen tussen de muslims en de andere personen die daar ook wonen!

    Basically, I wouldn't be surprised if tension between the muslims and non muslims were to increase or a terrorist attack were to take place at some point in the future. Not that I would wish for that on anyone, in any country no matter what. I have heard that in the recent past, 4 muslims houses were burned down by middle class dutch people. Not even the yobs but the middle class, well educated, ought to know better class of people. My Dutch friend told me this because his sister lives in the Hague and it was on her street that all this shit took place!

    Wat tof dat je nederlands leert!! Maar weinig mensen op de wereld die dat doen...haha. Moeilijke taal wel, he?!
    I am studying Spanish of which I have the basics under control, but the grammar (especially past tense) is becoming harder now. Goodluck with the Dutch...why are you studying it?

    About the tensions here...I have the feeling they have become a bit less..at least I really hope I am right.
    However I heard from a student at my school that a couple of dutch boys had harassed her family (she is from Africa) and have attacked her house in the middle of the night. This took place in a tiny community near Dordrecht...horrible!!!
    The thing with Pim Fortuyn as well as Ayaan Hirshi Ali and maybe even Theo van Gogh is that they catalized a lot of tension. I am all for PEACE and I truly wish Theo van Gogh and Pim Fortuyn were still alive...but I must say I was quite scared of what Fortuyn was causing in this country. All his ideas came from a negative place and that was not healthy. But I rather had that he lived on and maybe even ruled for a couple of years. That would have at least lessened his martyr status.

    Hmmm, this has become a weird country and a weird world...sometimes I just feel like hiding. But thats not fair is it, you gotta do something about it.

    Cant we all just hug and forget about it.....:(
    Why not be mediocre and be the best at it that you can be?
  • Kushikushun
    Kushikushun Posts: 1,263
    Just wanted to ad that when I was in Peru a year ago for some months I really enjoyed the fact that people had no idea about the tensions between the extremist muslims and the extremist (shall we say) liberal rightwing westerners. Of course Peru has a lot of social problems of its own, but it was nice to not hear anything about it when I was there...felt like a relief.
    Why not be mediocre and be the best at it that you can be?
  • Kushikushun
    Kushikushun Posts: 1,263
    melodious wrote:
    obi, this is sort of like arnie schwarzneiger.....he doesn't rep the working class of cali; but yet he beat out both the democrats and the independents....can't understand that at all....

    Hahaha, are you comparing Wouter Bos with Arnie Schwarz....LOL...sorry, but there is really no comparison there ;)
    Look for yourself:

    http://www.wouterbos.nl/download.do/id/100808851//resizeImage/true/width/750/height/562/
    http://www.gilthserano.de/image/portri/sch/schwarzenegger02.jpg

    Well...hmmm..they are both blondish blue-eyeish... :D
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  • Thumbing_My_Way
    Thumbing_My_Way Posts: 1,425
    I'm gonne vote too ofcourse , bout time we get a "left" government
    I vote SP, always did
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  • RavennaSeattle1911
    RavennaSeattle1911 Posts: 478
    i know a few people in holland and id hate to see it turn to hell

    i think id vote right wing for a pym fortyn
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  • RavennaSeattle1911
    RavennaSeattle1911 Posts: 478
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Fortuyn



    Wilhelmus Simon Petrus Fortuyn (surname pronounced somewhat like for-TOYN, IPA: [pɪm fɔʁtœʏn]; officially spelt Fortuijn), (February 19, 1948 – May 6, 2002), was a controversial, openly gay, charismatic[1] politician in the Netherlands who formed his own party Lijst Pim Fortuyn (List Pim Fortuyn or LPF). He was assassinated during the 2002 Dutch national election campaign by Volkert van der Graaf, an animal rights activist.
    Wilhelmus Simon Petrus Fortuyn
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    Wilhelmus Simon Petrus Fortuyn

    Fortuyn was the center of controversy for his views on Islam and his anti-immigration positions. He called Islam "a backward culture" and said that he would close the borders to Muslims if it were legally possible.[2] He was labelled a far-right populist by his opponents and the media, but he fiercely rejected this label and distanced himself clearly from far-right politicians such as Filip Dewinter of Vlaams Blok (now Vlaams Belang), Jörg Haider of Austria or Jean-Marie Le Pen of France. While Fortuyn compared his own politics to center-right politicians such as Silvio Berlusconi of Italy, he also admired former Dutch Prime Minister Joop den Uyl, a socialist. Fortuyn could be considered a nationalist, on cultural rather than racial grounds.
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  • Kushikushun
    Kushikushun Posts: 1,263
    RavennaSeattle1911 wrote:
    i know a few people in holland and id hate to see it turn to hell

    i think id vote right wing for a pym fortyn

    HUH? You do NOT want it to go to hell ...and than say you'd vote for Pim Fortuyn???
    Did I miss something here *looks around her to see what she missed out on*...
    Why not be mediocre and be the best at it that you can be?
  • Riot_Rain
    Riot_Rain Posts: 348
    RavennaSeattle1911 wrote:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Fortuyn



    Wilhelmus Simon Petrus Fortuyn (surname pronounced somewhat like for-TOYN, IPA: [pɪm fɔʁtœʏn]; officially spelt Fortuijn), (February 19, 1948 – May 6, 2002), was a controversial, openly gay, charismatic[1] politician in the Netherlands who formed his own party Lijst Pim Fortuyn (List Pim Fortuyn or LPF). He was assassinated during the 2002 Dutch national election campaign by Volkert van der Graaf, an animal rights activist.
    Wilhelmus Simon Petrus Fortuyn
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    Wilhelmus Simon Petrus Fortuyn

    Fortuyn was the center of controversy for his views on Islam and his anti-immigration positions. He called Islam "a backward culture" and said that he would close the borders to Muslims if it were legally possible.[2] He was labelled a far-right populist by his opponents and the media, but he fiercely rejected this label and distanced himself clearly from far-right politicians such as Filip Dewinter of Vlaams Blok (now Vlaams Belang), Jörg Haider of Austria or Jean-Marie Le Pen of France. While Fortuyn compared his own politics to center-right politicians such as Silvio Berlusconi of Italy, he also admired former Dutch Prime Minister Joop den Uyl, a socialist. Fortuyn could be considered a nationalist, on cultural rather than racial grounds.

    Yes, I do think all of us know him.

    *also looks around to see what she's missed*
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    I'm discarding all thought
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  • disconnected
    disconnected Posts: 2,875
    It's hard, but I have to make a decision. I will vote for SP. I hope Jan Marijnissen will not touch my job.....
  • Thumbing_My_Way
    Thumbing_My_Way Posts: 1,425
    disconnected wrote:
    It's hard, but I have to make a decision. I will vote for SP. I hope Jan Marijnissen will not touch my job.....

    goedzo :)
    Hold me, and make it the truth,...
    That when all is lost there will be you,...
    Cause to the universe I don't mean a thing
    And there's just one word I stil believe
    And it's Love

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    28-06-07 (Nijmegen)
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