Do you believe in fate?

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  • moondancer
    moondancer Posts: 24
    fate or destiny ; your going up the highway. your car over heats , you have to pull over .your pissing a fit because you are inconvenience by this . your cools down and you're on your way .you get up the road about 1/2 a mile and there is an Accident with fatalities .so is this fate or was it your destiny to make it off the highway to were ever you where going ?
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    moondancer wrote:
    fate or destiny ; your going up the highway. your car over heats , you have to pull over .your pissing a fit because you are inconvenience by this . your cools down and you're on your way .you get up the road about 1/2 a mile and there is an Accident with fatalities .so is this fate or was it your destiny to make it off the highway to were ever you where going ?
    pure coincidence.... if something else is controlling over it then, man, whoever's doing that must've really hated new orleans and the thousands that died there.
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  • Jeanie
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    catefrances wrote:
    jeanie girl, you have become a youtube whore. : D : p

    I thought this was a well known fact? ;)
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    but i love how you worked skyhooks into the debate. : )

    I didn't work skyhooks into the debate, Ahnimus did! :p I simply expanded on it! :D
    catefrances wrote:
    no, i do not believe in fate. fate intimates that we have no choice in future events. i believe we do. the choices we make NOW determines what happens in our future. if you're not prepared to act then you have no chance of getting what you want, let alone what you need. is laziness or indecision an agent of fate? i think not.

    Ok but what about seemingly random events? Isn't life what happens when you're busy making other plans? Sure we make choices about the future and our lives in general but sometimes things happen that have nothing to do with us making choices, sometimes things happen because of other people's choices and sometimes things just happen. Let us not forget "Shit Happens". :)
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    what???!?!?!?!? genetics has nothing to do with this. what's even funnier is you follow it with a "hello?" as if there's something obvious that i'm missing here.

    yeah, he's fat, like a diabetic person who is diabetic because of genetics, i understand that. but then the fat guy looses weight (becuase he decides to do so, mind you)... and gets in shape. what? are his muscles also a product of his genetics? i thought he inherited diabetes and obesity from his genes, not muscles.


    Your question seems to make more sense to you perhaps explain what you mean better.

    We gain and lose weight according to the length of our large intestine ...which is indeed genetics.

    Body type is also genetics....(ecto, meso, endo) i.e. skeletal build and muscle density.

    Are you even serious?

    ask a real question...
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Your question seems to make more sense to you perhaps explain what you mean better.

    We gain and lose weight according to the length of our large intestine ...which is indeed genetics.

    Body type is also genetics....(ecto, meso, endo) i.e. skeletal build and muscle density.

    Are you even serious?

    ask a real question...
    are you serious!?

    i UNDERSTAND that everything inside nature works in such ways as it was designed. whether by nature or by a creator, all i know is that everything works and functions as it has already been "predetermined"... i understand that. what i don't understand is how is that defaulting every aspect of my life as being "predetermined".?

    like the fat man. sure the fat man gains and loses weight according to the length of his intestines.... as EVERYBODY else does. what i am saying, or trying to make you understand is that the fat man at one point, maybe while eating his banana split for dessert after a bar-be-que decided, "man, i oughtta stop eating alot." so then he decides to go on a diet. and decides to get in shape. (keyword:decides)

    i'm fairly overweight... i weigh about 212 lbs and stand 6'.... if i, myself, decide one day to get in shape, it's my choice. it's not something that was predetermined when some supernova 3 billion years ago set off, nor did it have anything to do with my family. (although those flour tortillas my mom made probably did have a thing or two to do with it.) BUT NONETHELESS, it was my choice to eat or not to eat the flour tortillas. those are things that have nothing to do with genetics.

    and like i said, i understand that nature has been "predetermined" to behave in such ways... i'll even admit that i function in certain ways because of the way that i am designed, or have "evolved" if you'd rather much prefer. but ultimately i have choices to make.... i think it was angelica that said it:

    God or the underlying Source of all universal forces and laws set all kinds of variables dynamics and laws into place. And he vested us as the ones to choose within that framework. We operate within his laws...

    (thanks, angelica, i'll take it from here ;) )
    And operating within these laws... we are able to make our own choices. It's as if in this world and in this life there are roads.... thousands of them, to make it more complicated, that we have to choose from. Yes! By it's predetermining it only gave us those roads, but ultimately we choose the roads we wanna take.
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  • moondancer
    moondancer Posts: 24
    SOME One Said To Me That Was An Act Of God .i Told Them "are You Kidding Me " It Was Mother Nature Telling Us We Better Get Our Shit Together Or Its Goiong To Get Worse. That Was A Shocker When I Seen That .to Much Death Much To Much!
  • moondancer
    moondancer Posts: 24
    WELL SAID deadnothingbetter BUT I WAS ASKING A QUESTION
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    are you serious!?

    i UNDERSTAND that everything inside nature works in such ways as it was designed. whether by nature or by a creator, all i know is that everything works and functions as it has already been "predetermined"... i understand that. what i don't understand is how is that defaulting every aspect of my life as being "predetermined".?

    like the fat man. sure the fat man gains and loses weight according to the length of his intestines.... as EVERYBODY else does. what i am saying, or trying to make you understand is that the fat man at one point, maybe while eating his banana split for dessert after a bar-be-que decided, "man, i oughtta stop eating alot." so then he decides to go on a diet. and decides to get in shape. (keyword:decides)

    i'm fairly overweight... i weigh about 212 lbs and stand 6'.... if i, myself, decide one day to get in shape, it's my choice. it's not something that was predetermined when some supernova 3 billion years ago set off, nor did it have anything to do with my family. (although those flour tortillas my mom made probably did have a thing or two to do with it.) BUT NONETHELESS, it was my choice to eat or not to eat the flour tortillas. those are things that have nothing to do with genetics.

    What happens after you eat it and what you are predisposed to is not your choice. You have zero control over that process.

    You can choose to follow what you are fated towards, or consciously (and continuously) be in contention with it. Every decision you make will be affected by it. And those decisions have yet further consequences that affect you (fate).

    But make no mistake you are predisposed to being fat. Fated to it.

    If not one cell you have a choice over...exactly where are thinking you now have complete dominion over it? easy... you don't. You cannot escape it entirely. It's an impossibility. You are dealt a hand...and it plays out.

    so yeah...you're mistaken in how you perceive it.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    moondancer wrote:
    SOME One Said To Me That Was An Act Of God .i Told Them "are You Kidding Me " It Was Mother Nature Telling Us We Better Get Our Shit Together Or Its Goiong To Get Worse. That Was A Shocker When I Seen That .to Much Death Much To Much!
    although i believe in god, i would much rather agree with you. i believe it was an act of nature telling us to get better.

    oooh! oooh! i got a scripture! i got a scripture!

    The creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. Romans 8:20-22
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    What happens after you eat it and what you are predisposed to is not your choice. You have zero control over that process.

    You can choose to follow what you are fated towards, or consciously (and continuously) be in contention with it. Every decision you make will be affected by it. And those decisions have yet further consequences that affect you (fate).

    But make no mistake you are predisposed to being fat. Fated to it.

    If not one cell you have a choice over...exactly where are thinking you now have complete dominion over it? easy... you don't. You cannot escape it entirely. It's an impossibility. You are dealt a hand...and it plays out.

    so yeah...you're mistaken in how you perceive it.
    but that's a whole other thing now.... it doesn't mean that my will is taken away. it's like what i editted, which i suggest you read through again....

    true... i'm predisposed to getting fat if i eat cheeseburgers every single day. that, i can accept. what i can't accept is if you're going to tell me that i have no choice whatsoever and that i ate a cheeseburger because my ancestor from spain liked cheeseburgers. that wouldn't even make sense...
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    but that's a whole other thing now.... it doesn't mean that my will is taken away. it's like what i editted, which i suggest you read through again....

    true... i'm predisposed to getting fat if i eat cheeseburgers every single day. that, i can accept. what i can't accept is if you're going to tell me that i have no choice whatsoever and that i ate a cheeseburger because my ancestor from spain liked cheeseburgers. that wouldn't even make sense...

    You're zoomed in too far on the particulars far to actually see the big picture.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    You're zoomed in too far on the particulars far to actually see the big picture.
    ok, then great prophet roland, what's the big picture?
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  • moondancer
    moondancer Posts: 24
    No It Is Your Choice I Did Read What You Wrote And You Are Right
    Totaly Right !
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    ok, then great prophet roland, what's the big picture?


    Judging by your condescending tone...that is for now a situation for you to figure out. I'll give you nothing for that. Your ball of wax to figure out and understand. If you think you already know it all...well..lol

    What I've said so far is all 100% true and indisputable.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Judging by your condescending tone...that is for now a situation for you to figure out. I'll give you nothing for that. Your ball of wax to figure out and understand. If you think you already know it all...well..lol

    What I've said so far is all 100% true and indisputable.
    my condescending tone? relax dude.... geez. all of a sudden everybody is sensitive here.

    i'm a fairly nice guy... i try to keep my mind as open as i can, that's why i keep coming here. and yes i'd like to understand, which i thought i did. seriously, i thought i did. and i was about to start agreeing with you and giving you, i guess, the benefit of the doubt... but now you're telling me that i'm "ball of wax" y quien sabe que dude.

    if all you say is 100% true and indisputable... i never said it wasn't. maybe it's the facts that you use that you misinterpret... i dunno... but that's why we're here. to converse and discuss these things.

    you sound like me when i was in my late teens when i tried to tell people about jesus and when i couldn't get around i'd leave them and say, "well, it's up to you to figure out for yourself. god bless you." haha j/k

    i'm willing to work with you if you work with me too. :o

    amigos, bra?
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  • moondancer
    moondancer Posts: 24
    OKEY YWHAT JUST HAPPENED HERE ?
    quote=deadnothingbetter]my condescending tone? relax dude.... geez. all of a sudden everybody is sensitive here.

    i'm a fairly nice guy... i try to keep my mind as open as i can, that's why i keep coming here. and yes i'd like to understand, which i thought i did. seriously, i thought i did. and i was about to start agreeing with you and giving you, i guess, the benefit of the doubt... but now you're telling me that i'm "ball of wax" y quien sabe que dude.

    if all you say is 100% true and indisputable... i never said it wasn't. maybe it's the facts that you use that you misinterpret... i dunno... but that's why we're here. to converse and discuss these things.

    you sound like me when i was in my late teens when i tried to tell people about jesus and when i couldn't get around i'd leave them and say, "well, it's up to you to figure out for yourself. god bless you." haha j/k

    i'm willing to work with you if you work with me too. :o

    amigos, bra?[/quote]
  • glasshouse
    glasshouse Posts: 1,762
    definitely not.

    i believe in chances and choices and opportunities and what each individual makes of those powerful drivers. that equates to "fate"

    don't tell me it is a beggar's "fate" to end up homeless!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Jeanie wrote:
    Ok but what about seemingly random events? Isn't life what happens when you're busy making other plans? Sure we make choices about the future and our lives in general but sometimes things happen that have nothing to do with us making choices, sometimes things happen because of other people's choices and sometimes things just happen. Let us not forget "Shit Happens". :)

    yes this is true. but still the result is due to SOMEONE'S choice(s).
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Choice only seems free. It's not free from the laws of the universe.

    That seems to be where the misunderstanding is.
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Choice only seems free. It's not free from the laws of the universe.

    That seems to be where the misunderstanding is.
    You weren't interested in hearing the religious view that I pointed to in wikipedia, on free-will. People believe they are created by the Universal Source, and they believe that given the variables of who they are and of their life, often including a perception of the predetermined will of this Universal Source, that the Source does not personally choose. The source gives us this power to choose. To religious people, God not choosing for us is free-will. (as identified by wikipedia)

    You were uninterested in hearing the religious view and appreciating how reasonable it actually is at base, because you minimized it as ludicrous prior to understanding it.
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