why do you believe in God or...

Purple Hawk wrote:

thanks professor...

but no...my question stands as i posted it...

if you don't believe in something greater than yourself...why the hell do you care if other people do? and if you pose such a question, i'm guessing you're interested in believing.

or maybe it's cos people are just curious to know.... they'd like to understand the others who believe it...

it's funny tho.... not a single time on this thread did i even post why i believe in god :rolleyes:

Ahnimus wrote:

Yea, but you can't travel it, you can only perceive it. The main point of the video is that you may be perceiving reality wrong, and so might they, they just assume they are perceiving it correctly, without ever having direct access to reality.

The travel is the experience of it, which I experience in each moment. It either works or it doesn't--here is the only indicator of what is real--does it enable one's evolution, continue peace, happiness, etc? One can live limited and separated, including what that entails. The consistent progress for me from serious and painful illness, addictions, broken relationships, etc, to healing and unity has allowed the dark and distortion to fall away...and still does. The choice is easy--separation or harmony. I am fortunate in that I was so pained that I broke through. I yearned to help people and to create the opposite of the pain I experienced. Not only did this realm show me how to heal, and allowed full healing beyond my wildest dreams, but it informs all that I do now. It is responsible for all that I am. It's stunning to be experientially attuned to this reality.

angelica wrote:

The travel is the experience of it, which I experience in each moment. It either works or it doesn't--here is the only indicator of what is real--does it enable one's evolution, continue peace, happiness, etc? One can live limited and separated, including what that entails. The consistent progress for me from serious and painful illness, addictions, broken relationships, etc, to healing and unity has allowed the dark and distortion to fall away...and still does. The choice is easy--separation or harmony. I am fortunate in that I was so pained that I broke through. I yearned to help people and to create the opposite of the pain I experienced. Not only did this realm show me how to heal, and allowed full healing beyond my wildest dreams, but it informs all that I do now. It is responsible for all that I am. It's stunning to be experientially attuned to this reality.

My point is you are still perceiving reality through your brain. You are just as likely to be wrong as anyone else's perception. That's why people say, your reality works for you and my reality works for me. Whatever makes you happy. But real reality has nothing to do with perception.

Ahnimus wrote:

My point is you are still perceiving reality through your brain. You are just as likely to be wrong as anyone else's perception. That's why people say, your reality works for you and my reality works for me. Whatever makes you happy. But real reality has nothing to do with perception.

you know.... i find it very interesting that everybody argues with everybody....

deadnothingbetter wrote:

you know.... i find it very interesting that everybody argues with everybody....

Yea, I hear you. I only argue with Angelica's delivery of ideas. But I shouldn't. I guess the words just rub me the wrong way.

Ahnimus wrote:

Point is, you are asking "Why?" the question seeks a cause for an effect. In a reality that consists of God - a contra-causal entity - and human free-wills - a contra-causal will - the question "Why?" is the wrong question. In an indeterministic universe, such as the Christian one, there are things that do not have causes and the question "Why?" cannot be answered, especially in regards to human wills and choices.

this is a fun and interesting post if you're 18.

catefrances wrote:

perhaps instead of asking WHY i should have asked, how did you come about your faith or lack thereof?

in short, social anxiety.

the end

basically when i realized I wasn't the center of the universe is when I began believing in something greater.

Ahnimus wrote:

My point is you are still perceiving reality through your brain. You are just as likely to be wrong as anyone else's perception. That's why people say, your reality works for you and my reality works for me. Whatever makes you happy. But real reality has nothing to do with perception.

Again, evolutionarily, it is impossible to be wrong when one is aligned with natural evolutionary forces and living and feeling the harmony, purpose and one's creative potential doing so. On the other hand, sustaining anti-life principles and ill health on all kinds of levels... ie: unhealthy diet, addictions, etc, in other words evolutionarily destructive actions, which will fall away whether by choice or by ultimate pain and death, doesn't make a lot of sense, given the comparison. This is the intellectual exercise part.

In reality, I understand why it takes desperation for people to wake up from their pain and create new agreements and perceptions with reality, in order to resolve their pain and existential dilemmas. I also understand why people are hypnotized by the view inside the box--or why they take the view inside Plato's cave to be reality. It's a tricky thing getting around the ego. Had I not suffered so badly, and had such a lack of healthy ego (ie: which is the case of mental illness) I would be entranced still, too. I would take the suffering again in a heartbeat to get where I am. But, that's why it was all orchestrated to begin with. I chose it in my deeper and actual awareness.

angelica wrote:

Again, evolutionarily, it is impossible to be wrong when one is aligned with natural evolutionary forces and living and feeling the harmony, purpose and one's creative potential doing so. On the other hand, sustaining anti-life principles and ill health on all kinds of levels... ie: unhealthy diet, addictions, etc, in other words evolutionarily destructive actions, which will fall away whether by choice or by ultimate pain and death, doesn't make a lot of sense, given the comparison. This is the intellectual exercise part.

In reality, I understand why it takes desperation for people to wake up from their pain and create new agreements and perceptions with reality, in order to resolve their pain and existential dilemmas. I also understand why people are hypnotized by the view inside the box--or why they take the view inside Plato's cave to be reality. It's a tricky thing getting around the ego. Had I not suffered so badly, and had such a lack of healthy ego (ie: which is the case of mental illness) I would be entranced still, too. I would take the suffering again in a heartbeat to get where I am. But, that's why it was all orchestrated to begin with. I chose it in my deeper and actual awareness.

I don't know what you are saying :(