of course it makes sense.
lets say you ave a friend visiting you from, oh i dont know, jupiter. for a couple of months you have the time of your lives. then its time for them to leave. you mean to tell me you wouldn't feel sad at their departure cause you know youre gonna miss them?
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of course it makes sense.
lets say you ave a friend visiting you from, oh i dont know, jupiter. for a couple of months you have the time of your lives. then its time for them to leave. you mean to tell me you wouldn't feel sad at their departure cause you know youre gonna miss them?
no, i wouldn't be sad because i'm not gonna miss them. why would i miss them? why would i feel sad? i'll make another friend, with mars
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
if you get seriously ill, like getting alzheimers and you want to end your life, is one thing. i know that. i know there's people who die peaceful deaths, i know there's people who wanna die.... so let's make it easier for both of us. don't mention that again.... ever. cause then we'd be going in circles.
bottom line is, in order for you to enjoy getting laid you gotta be alive... so if you wanna live the most of your life by getting laid then you'll try you're best to stay alive. yes, of course, not unless you get alzheimers... then by that point i'm guessing you wouldn't be able to fuck. so too bad for you and your loved one's, your hoes included, you'd probably be going away soon after.
apart from that... still you'll go home, take a nice long nap (or maybe not), wake up and eat breakfast (maybe not), wash up (maybe not), get in your car, put your seatbelt on and drive safely and go about the rest of the day trying to be as safe as possible and as happy as possible and maybe even get laid as many times as possible. that's a universal fact. it's part of your instinct to survive. that's been my only contention all along.
no, it hasn't. your contention all along has been that i'm scared to die and i will do ANYTHING to stay alive above all. i have repeatedly shown that not to be the case. the fact that i am pretty happy living and enjoy it and many of the things it allows me to do does not mean i am scared to die or even that i think dying is a big deal.
im scared of alzheimer's. that disease scares the living hell out of me. LIVING with that disease scares the hell out of me. dying does not. there are many worse fates in life than death. i don't fear death. that doesn't mean i'm in a rush to do it though.
quit trying to retreat from your stance just becos you know i've made you look foolish. i took a stand, and defended it, and now you're trying to take my stand and say it's what you meant all along rather than actually defending your own bullshit points. before, you were saying i'd do anything to stay alive and it was the focus of all my efforts. now you say "oh, well, unless you get alzheimer's, sure." so you're admitting that you were full of shit when you claimed that being alive was all that matters.
you have proved nothing except that i don't want to kill myself. no shit. i said from the beginning i don't have a death wish. but that doesn't mean i'm afraid of death either. just becos i will keep on living does not mean i fear dying.
actually gue.... yes that has been my contention all along. i've never argued that death should and is always and forever will be feared. if you'd like i can look back and, ironically, quote myself. i even mentioned about my signature that i used to have awhile back. it said, "death is a part of life, life is a puzzle, you can't explain life till the last piece is put together." my contention has been that being afraid of death comes as a natural form... it's what we'd likely know as a survival instinct.
sure, i'm not using any kind of scientific approach here, but i'm using logic and common sense. every person naturally fears death.... but it's like our brain has two sides. one side is what makes us fear things that would fatally harm us and the other side is what tells, "what's the big deal? you're gonna die anyway." i guess it's nature's way of balancing itself.
and i've been saying from the beginning your premise and logic are flawed. a survival instinct does not mean we automatically are afraid of death.
why would you want to live as long as possible if you're going to die anyway? :rolleyes:
what are you saying? we shouldn't be born at all because we are going to die anyway?
i don't get where you are heading with that comment. everyone dies eventually, but it's not unreasonable for me to hope that i will have a long and happy and healthy life. of course the odds are that i won't have that, but until it happens and i die, there's nothing wrong with hoping that's how my life will be. is there?
quit trying to retreat from your stance just becos you know i've made you look foolish. i took a stand, and defended it, and now you're trying to take my stand and say it's what you meant all along rather than actually defending your own bullshit points. before, you were saying i'd do anything to stay alive and it was the focus of all my efforts. now you say "oh, well, unless you get alzheimer's, sure." so you're admitting that you were full of shit when you claimed that being alive was all that matters.
haaahaaahaaahaaaa.... you really take these things to heart don't you? dude, you haven't disproved anything... and no one's making anyone look like a fool here.... except for you of course... after saying what you just said above.
i never said that you were afraid of dying and that it's the end of it. i'm not trying to be an absolutist here... ahnimus got what i was saying. you didn't. it's no big deal. my stance was only that fearing death is a natural thing. i'm not saying that we actually live in fear on a day-to-day basis here... but when death comes around, yeah, it's something that we instinctively try to avoid. that's been my contention all along. you're the one that's making more out of it.
but i'm going for it... i'll be the stickler that i always am on here. i'm going to try to educate you for a little bit, if by any means possible. i made it clear to you when i said that i understand people wanna die for reasons that make sense to them... i even mentioned that much earlier before addressing it to you. in your case, you'd wanna die if you had alzheimers. i understand that. and it's fitting, since you've got no other choice, the best way out is dying. so that makes a whole lotta sense. that's what i meant when i said, "unless you get alzheimer's, sure" which wasn't even the way i phrased it. but... whatever. it went more like this... "if you get seriously ill, like getting alzheimers and you want to end your life, is one thing."
STILL.... my friend... it doesn't take away the fact that you instinctively avoid death. so nope... i'm still sticking to what i originally claimed and no one's looking like a fool here.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
and i've been saying from the beginning your premise and logic are flawed. a survival instinct does not mean we automatically are afraid of death.
and i'm saying that yours is too. a survival instinct is my unconventional definition of fear. read the rest of my all other posts.... if you're truly that bored. i've been repeating it over and over. if you'd ask me that i were afraid of dying.... i don't think i would. i'm not. but i'd avoid death by any means necessary. why? cause it's in my nature to survive. that's why. and so is yours.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
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I'm in the middle of a philosophy module that focuses on theology.....oh yeah, and the professor is a priest who assigns his own books as course material :rolleyes:
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and i'm saying that yours is too. a survival instinct is my unconventional definition of fear.
i think by unconventional you mean totally subjective, arbitrary, and illogical. in which case, you're entitled to your view. and i'm entitled to think your view is ridiculous.
if i work for a business and i bust my ass to become rich and rise to the top... am i doing that becos i want the benefits it offers, or solely becos i am afraid to be poor and unemployed? some people do work solely becos they're afraid not to, and others work solely to get ahead and have no fear of the prospect of not working. life is the same way. continuing to live is no more than wanting the fruits of further life, it has nothing to do with a fear of lack of life (death). the two are totally independent and one does not point to the other. this is basic logic and philosophical thought here. you're creating new definitions becos you feel like it.
i never said that you were afraid of dying and that it's the end of it. i'm not trying to be an absolutist here... ahnimus got what i was saying. you didn't. it's no big deal. my stance was only that fearing death is a natural thing. i'm not saying that we actually live in fear on a day-to-day basis here... but when death comes around, yeah, it's something that we instinctively try to avoid. that's been my contention all along. you're the one that's making more out of it.
you didnt?
"if you're about to be swallowed by an anaconda, i bet you would." -deadnothingbetter
"have someone put a gun to your head.... i bet you'd avoid every possibility of running into trouble with some violent hoodlums. or the seatbelts, for example, serve as ways to protect us in case we get in a car accident." -deadnothingbetter
"tell me that your heart won't start pumping fast if someone puts a gun to your head. come on dude.. you're so full of it." -deadnothingbetter
"convince me that dying isn't something to fear." -deadnothingbetter
"i see what you're saying... but essentially and agree with me dude, cause i know you do... you're focus is to stay alive... and dying is the last thing you'd want to happen to you. is that right?" -deadnothingbetter
several times you have claimed to know for a fact that i fear death. several times you have made the logical fallacy that desire to keep living is the same as fear of dying. several times you have told me outright "dying is the last thing you'd want to happen to you." i said you were wrong. i told you why. and you came back to completely contradict yourself. you say dying is the last thing we want, and when i point out how that isn't true becos id rather die than have alzheimer's, suddenly you change your tune... ok, dying is the SECOND to last thing you want. which is it? is dying the absolute last thing we want, as you claimed, or are there fates worse than death, as you claimed once i pointed out how wrong you were?
"if you're about to be swallowed by an anaconda, i bet you would." -deadnothingbetter
"have someone put a gun to your head.... i bet you'd avoid every possibility of running into trouble with some violent hoodlums. or the seatbelts, for example, serve as ways to protect us in case we get in a car accident." -deadnothingbetter
"tell me that your heart won't start pumping fast if someone puts a gun to your head. come on dude.. you're so full of it." -deadnothingbetter
"convince me that dying isn't something to fear." -deadnothingbetter
"i see what you're saying... but essentially and agree with me dude, cause i know you do... you're focus is to stay alive... and dying is the last thing you'd want to happen to you. is that right?" -deadnothingbetter
several times you have claimed to know for a fact that i fear death. several times you have made the logical fallacy that desire to keep living is the same as fear of dying. several times you have told me outright "dying is the last thing you'd want to happen to you." i said you were wrong. i told you why. and you came back to completely contradict yourself. you say dying is the last thing we want, and when i point out how that isn't true becos id rather die than have alzheimer's, suddenly you change your tune... ok, dying is the SECOND to last thing you want. which is it? is dying the absolute last thing we want, as you claimed, or are there fates worse than death, as you claimed once i pointed out how wrong you were?
look, dufus. use some common sense. in all the parts you quoted, i'm referring to your survival instincts. you're telling me that you wouldn't be fighting for your life?
yes.... i'm sure, if you had no choice and you're going to die... i would do the same like you... accept the fact that i'm going to die. essentially, when i begin to think about it there's no fear in dying. but instinctively my aim is to survive and stay alive. it's what i've been saying all along. am i wrong? how the hell am i wrong about that?
when you say that you don't fear dying, it's as if you'd say that if a hurricane comes strolling by you'll take a walk on the sidewalk at ease like it's a sunny day. or if someone were to chop your head off it would be just another day. see what i'm saying?
that's what i'm trying to get you to understand. if someone were to threaten you, you'd probably do something about it.
so........................................... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO i am not contradicting myself. i'm not changing anything. i'm not saying that dying is the second to last. and i honestly don't see what the big deal in this little debate we got going on here. all i've been saying, and i'm not changing anything, is that instinctively our aim is to survive.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
if i work for a business and i bust my ass to become rich and rise to the top... am i doing that becos i want the benefits it offers, or solely becos i am afraid to be poor and unemployed? some people do work solely becos they're afraid not to, and others work solely to get ahead and have no fear of the prospect of not working. life is the same way. continuing to live is no more than wanting the fruits of further life, it has nothing to do with a fear of lack of life (death). the two are totally independent and one does not point to the other. this is basic logic and philosophical thought here. you're creating new definitions becos you feel like it.
yeah.... you totally don't get what i'm saying.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
look, dufus. use some common sense. in all the parts you quoted, i'm referring to your survival instincts. you're telling me that you wouldn't be fighting for your life?
yes.... i'm sure, if you had no choice and you're going to die... i would do the same like you... accept the fact that i'm going to die. essentially, when i begin to think about it there's no fear in dying. but instinctively my aim is to survive and stay alive. it's what i've been saying all along. am i wrong? how the hell am i wrong about that?
when you say that you don't fear dying, it's as if you'd say that if a hurricane comes strolling by you'll take a walk on the sidewalk at ease like it's a sunny day. or if someone were to chop your head off it would be just another day. see what i'm saying?
that's what i'm trying to get you to understand. if someone were to threaten you, you'd probably do something about it.
so........................................... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO i am not contradicting myself. i'm not changing anything. i'm not saying that dying is the second to last. and i honestly don't see what the big deal in this little debate we got going on here. all i've been saying, and i'm not changing anything, is that instinctively our aim is to survive.
you have also been saying that a desire to survive is the same as a fear of death. which makes no sense.
if a hurrican came by, id' stay home and fuck and eat steak. or go somewhere else to ensure that i could fuck and eat steak. if someone chopped my head off, it would be just like any other day only the bad parts of the day were a bit worse and a lot more final. so it goes. ladi-freaking-da.
that so? tell me how my scenario is at all different from what i am saying. i know exactly what you're saying, and i'm saying it's bullshit. a desire to live is not the same as a fear of dying. just like a desire to get rich is not the same as a fear of being poor. you can have one, both, or neither.
that so? tell me how my scenario is at all different from what i am saying. i know exactly what you're saying, and i'm saying it's bullshit. a desire to live is not the same as a fear of dying. just like a desire to get rich is not the same as a fear of being poor. you can have one, both, or neither.
oh my god..... don't even try dude. it's like you think you got me cornered here..... i don't even know if you're the cutest, or the most annoying.
true. a desire to live is not the same as a fear of dying. but that doesn't negate anything about your survival instincts.
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of course it makes sense.
lets say you ave a friend visiting you from, oh i dont know, jupiter.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I just don't like working the averages like you do.
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oh okay then. i know even i miss certain people when they leave my orbit. and im a cold hearted bitch.
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hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
no, it hasn't. your contention all along has been that i'm scared to die and i will do ANYTHING to stay alive above all. i have repeatedly shown that not to be the case. the fact that i am pretty happy living and enjoy it and many of the things it allows me to do does not mean i am scared to die or even that i think dying is a big deal.
im scared of alzheimer's. that disease scares the living hell out of me. LIVING with that disease scares the hell out of me. dying does not. there are many worse fates in life than death. i don't fear death. that doesn't mean i'm in a rush to do it though.
quit trying to retreat from your stance just becos you know i've made you look foolish. i took a stand, and defended it, and now you're trying to take my stand and say it's what you meant all along rather than actually defending your own bullshit points. before, you were saying i'd do anything to stay alive and it was the focus of all my efforts. now you say "oh, well, unless you get alzheimer's, sure." so you're admitting that you were full of shit when you claimed that being alive was all that matters.
you have proved nothing except that i don't want to kill myself. no shit. i said from the beginning i don't have a death wish. but that doesn't mean i'm afraid of death either. just becos i will keep on living does not mean i fear dying.
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and i've been saying from the beginning your premise and logic are flawed. a survival instinct does not mean we automatically are afraid of death.
i don't get where you are heading with that comment. everyone dies eventually, but it's not unreasonable for me to hope that i will have a long and happy and healthy life. of course the odds are that i won't have that, but until it happens and i die, there's nothing wrong with hoping that's how my life will be. is there?
i never said that you were afraid of dying and that it's the end of it. i'm not trying to be an absolutist here... ahnimus got what i was saying. you didn't. it's no big deal. my stance was only that fearing death is a natural thing. i'm not saying that we actually live in fear on a day-to-day basis here... but when death comes around, yeah, it's something that we instinctively try to avoid. that's been my contention all along. you're the one that's making more out of it.
but i'm going for it... i'll be the stickler that i always am on here. i'm going to try to educate you for a little bit, if by any means possible. i made it clear to you when i said that i understand people wanna die for reasons that make sense to them... i even mentioned that much earlier before addressing it to you. in your case, you'd wanna die if you had alzheimers. i understand that. and it's fitting, since you've got no other choice, the best way out is dying. so that makes a whole lotta sense. that's what i meant when i said, "unless you get alzheimer's, sure" which wasn't even the way i phrased it. but... whatever. it went more like this... "if you get seriously ill, like getting alzheimers and you want to end your life, is one thing."
STILL.... my friend... it doesn't take away the fact that you instinctively avoid death. so nope... i'm still sticking to what i originally claimed and no one's looking like a fool here.
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i think by unconventional you mean totally subjective, arbitrary, and illogical. in which case, you're entitled to your view. and i'm entitled to think your view is ridiculous.
if i work for a business and i bust my ass to become rich and rise to the top... am i doing that becos i want the benefits it offers, or solely becos i am afraid to be poor and unemployed? some people do work solely becos they're afraid not to, and others work solely to get ahead and have no fear of the prospect of not working. life is the same way. continuing to live is no more than wanting the fruits of further life, it has nothing to do with a fear of lack of life (death). the two are totally independent and one does not point to the other. this is basic logic and philosophical thought here. you're creating new definitions becos you feel like it.
you didnt?
"if you're about to be swallowed by an anaconda, i bet you would." -deadnothingbetter
"have someone put a gun to your head.... i bet you'd avoid every possibility of running into trouble with some violent hoodlums. or the seatbelts, for example, serve as ways to protect us in case we get in a car accident." -deadnothingbetter
"tell me that your heart won't start pumping fast if someone puts a gun to your head. come on dude.. you're so full of it." -deadnothingbetter
"convince me that dying isn't something to fear." -deadnothingbetter
"i see what you're saying... but essentially and agree with me dude, cause i know you do... you're focus is to stay alive... and dying is the last thing you'd want to happen to you. is that right?" -deadnothingbetter
several times you have claimed to know for a fact that i fear death. several times you have made the logical fallacy that desire to keep living is the same as fear of dying. several times you have told me outright "dying is the last thing you'd want to happen to you." i said you were wrong. i told you why. and you came back to completely contradict yourself. you say dying is the last thing we want, and when i point out how that isn't true becos id rather die than have alzheimer's, suddenly you change your tune... ok, dying is the SECOND to last thing you want. which is it? is dying the absolute last thing we want, as you claimed, or are there fates worse than death, as you claimed once i pointed out how wrong you were?
just for the record, i believe in Jesus and God
i wish i had him on the witness stand for cross examination. we'd be impeaching his testimony ALL day!
yes.... i'm sure, if you had no choice and you're going to die... i would do the same like you... accept the fact that i'm going to die. essentially, when i begin to think about it there's no fear in dying. but instinctively my aim is to survive and stay alive. it's what i've been saying all along. am i wrong? how the hell am i wrong about that?
when you say that you don't fear dying, it's as if you'd say that if a hurricane comes strolling by you'll take a walk on the sidewalk at ease like it's a sunny day. or if someone were to chop your head off it would be just another day. see what i'm saying?
that's what i'm trying to get you to understand. if someone were to threaten you, you'd probably do something about it.
so........................................... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO i am not contradicting myself. i'm not changing anything. i'm not saying that dying is the second to last. and i honestly don't see what the big deal in this little debate we got going on here. all i've been saying, and i'm not changing anything, is that instinctively our aim is to survive.
now you're making me look reallyyyyy bad....
you have also been saying that a desire to survive is the same as a fear of death. which makes no sense.
if a hurrican came by, id' stay home and fuck and eat steak. or go somewhere else to ensure that i could fuck and eat steak. if someone chopped my head off, it would be just like any other day only the bad parts of the day were a bit worse and a lot more final. so it goes. ladi-freaking-da.
that so? tell me how my scenario is at all different from what i am saying. i know exactly what you're saying, and i'm saying it's bullshit. a desire to live is not the same as a fear of dying. just like a desire to get rich is not the same as a fear of being poor. you can have one, both, or neither.
true. a desire to live is not the same as a fear of dying. but that doesn't negate anything about your survival instincts.
no, dude....
thread is "do you believe.."
i do....
i could spend weeks stating why, and give my opposing view to a ton of threads here, i'm tired though