why do you believe in God or...

cc10106

catefrances wrote:

...why don't you, if that is the case.


i am an atheist. i don't believe in a God cause it makes absolutely no sense to me. this has been the case since i was 11 years old. religion does not give me the answers i require.

Perhaps not everything should make sense to you. If more people realized this, then maybe the answers they seek will come on their own. Oh, and I don't 'require' anything from God.

Believing does not equal believing in religion.

freedomboy

chopitdown wrote:

How did humanity arrive at those morals?

To simplify a very complicated and multi-faceted history... Humanity arrived at it's current moral status via progression of human thought throughout a long history.

Those who follow the bible now do not derive their morals from the bible, but their interpretation of the bible through a distorted lens (in this case, humanities moral structure)... This has been the case all throughout the translations of the bible as well.

People wrote the parables of the bible through the looking glass of what was humanities current moral structure... When the scribes would copy the scrolls to spread out, they often added their own ideas and comments which eventually would be copied into the official texts...

Evidence of this lies in the mentioning of gods and demons from other religions being prevalent in the bible... as well as scientific beliefs, such as "the firmament" in Genesis 1... People used what was familiar to them at that time to explain things... it is easy to see how morals would intertwine with the times as well.

That is all...

Truly, peace to you all.

deadnothingbetter

even flow? wrote:

Just curious as to how long your hate would hang on if your brother, sister, mom, dad, aunt, uncle, nephew, niece got iced?

i don't know... the question i asked tho, was a rhetorical one. i don't claim to be any holier-than-thou... i only asked the question to deliver the idea that God's love is greater than our own and our understanding.

but you're right i'd probably want vengeance bestowed upon them or somethin' even though i know that the best thing to show is forgiveness

deadnothingbetter

gue_barium wrote:

we're on different pages, i think. for now. that's okay though.

i kinda figured.. sorry... it's probably cause you write too complicated for me... i'm not often too bright :(

Surf Life

Ahnimus wrote:

Where do I begin?

Why I'm not religious:

It's incompatible with science and history.

It's foolishness.

Is there a God? Like Spinoza's God, a Grand Architect?

I don't know, but it's highly improbable. Therefor I don't believe there is one.

This is my view as well, I'm an athiest. Thanks for articulating it so well.

catefrances

cc10106 wrote:

Perhaps not everything should make sense to you. If more people realized this, then maybe the answers they seek will come on their own. Oh, and I don't 'require' anything from God.

Believing does not equal believing in religion.

well what can i say. i require a certain amount of logic in my life for it to start making any sense.
but it's not as if i go around every day seeking proof.
so if you don't require anything from God what is it you get out of him or hope to get out of believing in him?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Jesus was a surfer and smoked ganja on the beach.

genie

dunkman wrote:

you cant be because
1. that joke was shit and
2. well, i don't need a 2 because number 1 was so great


:cool:

why did my joke upset you??

kinetic

Seriously, I have a hard enough time believing in myself.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

The last time I called God, I got a busy signal...

sigh...

angelica

http://perceivingreality.com/

norm

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

The last time I called God, I got a busy signal...

sigh...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYC63Ej4mY8

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

http://perceivingreality.com/

Stop with the Kabbalah!

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

Stop with the Kabbalah!

??

deadnothingbetter

angelica wrote:

http://perceivingreality.com/

"For we know in part... but when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away... for now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." I Corinthians 13:9-12

just saw some parallels to the link you provided with this text...

angelica

deadnothingbetter wrote:

"For we know in part... but when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away... for now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." I Corinthians 13:9-12

just saw some parallels to the link you provided with this text...

Universal Truths are universal.

There is a reason that those who deeply study the "unseen" forces come to harmonize with and "see" them to a degree. It's about KNOWledge.

soulsinging

cornnifer wrote:

Look, man. i've already said i'm not going to fight with you. You had asked a question about people living in traditionaly non-Christian parts of the world, and i answered it. i illustrated how there is, in fact, an abundance of Christians in these parts of the world. More than 28 million CONFIRMED christians in a nation that likes to torture Christians, making examples of them before killing them is significant. Accept the fact that you lost that one. "no further questions, your honor".

As far as the other stuff, you're absolutely right. Your a regular seminary student. Your understanding of Christian faith is unparalleled. Have a good day.

how have i lost that one? my point was that you are no more likely to convert to a minority religion like islam is here in the US than they are to convert to christianity. just becos they might know it exists hardly is a compelling reason for them to convert. and i firmly believe that had you been born there, you'd be on here right now preaching how we all need to believe confucious or suffer the consequences. the only reason you're a christian who believes in jesus is becos you were born into a culture where that was common and a large part of your raising and heritage. islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. people don't convert to christianity... they are born into it. why do you think that is? a better story? more truthful? cultural?

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

??

That's what it is Jewish Kabbalah.

soulsinging

deadnothingbetter wrote:

how's that of any relevance??? if we choose otherwise, yeah, let's say he'll forgive us, but where have your choices led you? is that to say taht if you were wrong and you were at the pits of hell you'll turn around and say, "oops, sorry God, please forgive me i believe, ok, now get me out."?

yup, pretty much. if i get to the pearly gates and see JC standing there i'll say "sorry man, that bible was whack and some of the DB's you had acting in your name down there were nuts. so i spent my life going straight to your father with my spiritual problems. i hope you can forgive me for that one... i just wanted to be sure i was getting His word and not some whackjob baptist preacher's."

and if he's not willing to forgive that (here comes the full circle), then that deity is a vain little prick and i want nothing to do with him.

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

That's what it is Jewish Kabbalah.

I'm questioning your anger and telling "people" what to do.