why do you believe in God or...

deadnothingbetter wrote:

read it again, this time try to understand it's point of view. start with the epistles of paul... romans particularly... then read his others and look for parallel scriptures... then refer back to the old testament. all this, mind you, while revolving around what you read in the gospels - the focal point.

are you going to hell? that's a question you should ask yourself...

but if you want to insist and say, "well, hey i'm never going to believe in God even if i'm dying so might as well get it out of the way.... will i be going to hell then after i die?" well, i hate to be mr. obvious but i think we both know the scriptures well enough to know what the Bible says about that.

Dear deadnothingbetter,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your postings, and will try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual cleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.

69charger wrote:

Dear deadnothingbetter,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your postings, and will try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual cleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.

at least you got the cut and paste thing down.

I believe in your right to believe in whatever God you choose.
Beyond that what I believe in isn't anybody's business but my own.

Collin wrote:

I think 69charger asks excellent questions. What is wrong with his questions exactly?

b/c they aren't HIS questions. The only thing 69charger read was some blog somewhere that had this "letter" to dr laura that addressed it to her b/c she mentioned she was an orthodox jew and was against something b/c of Leviticus. Orthodox jews believe the torah, of which Leviticus is part, is unalterable and is eternal and binding...so to them the questions are pertinent and are not addressed by the new testament covenant; so it's appropriate to them. To Christians, who believe the new covenants "replace" the older covenants it's an irrelevant issue, for the most part. http://www.wcg.org/lit/law/covenants.htm

if you want an exhaustive commentary on leviticus and it's purpose look here http://www.entrewave.com/freebooks/docs/217e_47e.htm it's about a 75 page .pdf file that someone has put together it is not easy reading but if you want the background and the issues addressed I suggest reading it.

chopitdown wrote:

b/c they aren't HIS questions. The only thing 69charger read was some blog somewhere that had this "letter" to dr laura that addressed it to her b/c she mentioned she was an orthodox jew and was against something b/c of Leviticus. Orthodox jews believe the torah, of which Leviticus is part, is unalterable and is eternal and binding...so to them the questions are pertinent and are not addressed by the new testament covenant; so it's appropriate to them. To Christians, who believe the new covenants "replace" the older covenants it's an irrelevant issue, for the most part. http://www.wcg.org/lit/law/covenants.htm

if you want an exhaustive commentary on leviticus and it's purpose look here http://www.entrewave.com/freebooks/docs/217e_47e.htm it's about a 75 page .pdf file that someone has put together it is not easy reading but if you want the background and the issues addressed I suggest reading it.

So the Bible is more of a "guide" and not the literal word of God as I was taught in Catholic School and we can pick and choose from it whatever we want?

chopitdown wrote:

did you read the link? my guess is no. There are clear delineations in the covenants that guide christianity. And since I'm not Catholic I have no idea what you learned in Catholic school and I don't know the Catholic presuppositions / dogma.

Is the Bible the literal word of God? Yes or No?

69charger wrote:

Is the Bible the literal word of God? Yes or No?

did you read the links? yes or no?

69charger wrote:

Yeah, it says the Ten Commandments (old obsolete covenant) no longer apply. Nice one!

Thanks Jesus! Now I don't feel so bad for doing those married chicks and killing that hooker and calling my Dad an asshole once

actually it didn't say that at all. It repeats some commandments in the NT, and there are clearly expositions against many of the same things that aren't explicitly repeated.

69charger wrote:

It said the Tenth Commandment was sort of implied in the "new" covenant, that's it! Just one commandment!

that and Love the lord your God with all your heart, mind, and soul. Tell me what that could possibly mean and how you would go about doing that? Here's Galations

So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. 17For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

again, if you look at one little verse in the Bible and don't look at the context or dig deeper you probably are missing something.

Mantra Slider wrote:

I believe in your right to believe in whatever God you choose.
Beyond that what I believe in isn't anybody's business but my own.

try to explain that to 69charger