Great HARD ROCKING new tune!!
don't know how to insert a link here, but I found these posted earlier:
Edit (lyrics without repetitions):
Every night with the lights out
where you gone
What's wrong?
Every time you can try
but can't turn on
a rock song
I got some if you need it
Get it now, get it on, before its gone
Let's everybody carry on
Carrying on
Turn it up, set it off, before its gone
Let's everybody carry on
Carrying on
This situation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise, are you falling down?
Let me know.....c'mon let's go yeah
I got some if you need it
This situation, what side are you on?
Are you dropping bombs, are you getting out?
Have you heard of diplomatic resolve? Yeah
Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you drying up, are you a big drop?
Are you a part of fool detrimental?
Got some
Carry on
[/quote]
Keeping with the precipitation theme, I think he closes with "Are you a puddle full of detrimental?" He definitely says the word "puddle."
I have to think he may have messed the lyric at the end, I can see the album version: "Are you drying up, are you a big drop in a puddle fucking detrimental?"
Either way, I love the lyrics to this song. Ed sounds skeptical of Obama throughout. Are we continuing this war in Iraq or are we sending our boys home? (Are we dropping bombs, are we getting out?) Is the storm almost over (drying up) or are you just another part of it (big drop)?
I think the "some" that Ed has is COURAGE. If Obama doesn't have the balls to reverse Bush's policies, then Eddie's "got some" he can have.
Even though everyone might not love Riot Act and S/T, you have to admit that the lyrical progression of these three albums is going to blow us away. A trilogy based on historical perspective. RA, S/T and Backspacer will be very fucking interesting in 50 years time.
yeah, the songs sound somewhat similar but, "Got Some" is a much better song, and Peal Jam looks much less ridiculous than Devo performing it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQj6vI_LX9g
Either way, I love the lyrics to this song. Ed sounds skeptical of Obama throughout. Are we continuing this war in Iraq or are we sending our boys home? (Are we dropping bombs, are we getting out?) Is the storm almost over (drying up) or are you just another part of it (big drop)?
I think the "some" that Ed has is COURAGE. If Obama doesn't have the balls to reverse Bush's policies, then Eddie's "got some" he can have.
Even though everyone might not love Riot Act and S/T, you have to admit that the lyrical progression of these three albums is going to blow us away. A trilogy based on historical perspective. RA, S/T and Backspacer will be very fucking interesting in 50 years time.
This might be a post for the Moving Train, but if Ed is already jumping ship on Obama five months after publicly pimping him for President ... then Ed is being a jackass.
And I didn't even vote for Obama.
I have to think this song is about something more general than that ...
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Either way, I love the lyrics to this song. Ed sounds skeptical of Obama throughout. Are we continuing this war in Iraq or are we sending our boys home? (Are we dropping bombs, are we getting out?) Is the storm almost over (drying up) or are you just another part of it (big drop)?
I think the "some" that Ed has is COURAGE. If Obama doesn't have the balls to reverse Bush's policies, then Eddie's "got some" he can have.
Even though everyone might not love Riot Act and S/T, you have to admit that the lyrical progression of these three albums is going to blow us away. A trilogy based on historical perspective. RA, S/T and Backspacer will be very fucking interesting in 50 years time.
This might be a post for the Moving Train, but if Ed is already jumping ship on Obama five months after publicly pimping him for President ... then Ed is being a jackass.
And I didn't even vote for Obama.
I have to think this song is about something more general than that ...
Doesn't sound like he's jumping ship, just holding this president to the same standards as the last. I definitely didn't expect any sorta anti-Obama tune this album, though.
I like the vibe. Stikes a chord in me similar to Sugarcult's 'Los Angeles.'
And I'm not living this life without you, I'm selfish and clear
And you're not leaving here without me, I don't wanna be without
My best... friend. Wake up, to see you could have it all
Either way, I love the lyrics to this song. Ed sounds skeptical of Obama throughout. Are we continuing this war in Iraq or are we sending our boys home? (Are we dropping bombs, are we getting out?) Is the storm almost over (drying up) or are you just another part of it (big drop)?
I think the "some" that Ed has is COURAGE. If Obama doesn't have the balls to reverse Bush's policies, then Eddie's "got some" he can have.
Even though everyone might not love Riot Act and S/T, you have to admit that the lyrical progression of these three albums is going to blow us away. A trilogy based on historical perspective. RA, S/T and Backspacer will be very fucking interesting in 50 years time.
This might be a post for the Moving Train, but if Ed is already jumping ship on Obama five months after publicly pimping him for President ... then Ed is being a jackass.
And I didn't even vote for Obama.
I have to think this song is about something more general than that ...
Doesn't sound like he's jumping ship, just holding this president to the same standards as the last. I definitely didn't expect any sorta anti-Obama tune this album, though.
Again. Give the dude longer than a couple of months.
Looking at what I think the lyrics are, I don't think this song is *only* about Obama, or the war ... I think it's about something bigger, broader and more general.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
most of the ed-penned tunes are multi-dimensional lyrically... and surely this one is of the same breed. but i have to think that a song featuring lyrics about "dropping bombs" and "diplomatic resolve" might have a little something to do with the current state of american political affairs.
the first dozen verses are of a distinct melody that is not returned to in the rest of the song. those lyrics can be viewed separately - maybe ed speaking to the obamaniacs that are secretly starting to grow a little skeptical of our president; telling them that he will speak for them through this rock song. then the rest addresses this growing skepticism with a harder punk/rock edge.
i went to obama rallies, i voted for the man, my car still wears his bumper sticker. but the truth is that some people on the "far left" like myself are starting to wonder if he is liberal enough... although his recent supreme court nomination eases those minds somewhat. it is not anti-obama; ed is just questioning things.
Either way, I love the lyrics to this song. Ed sounds skeptical of Obama throughout. Are we continuing this war in Iraq or are we sending our boys home? (Are we dropping bombs, are we getting out?) Is the storm almost over (drying up) or are you just another part of it (big drop)?
I think the "some" that Ed has is COURAGE. If Obama doesn't have the balls to reverse Bush's policies, then Eddie's "got some" he can have.
Even though everyone might not love Riot Act and S/T, you have to admit that the lyrical progression of these three albums is going to blow us away. A trilogy based on historical perspective. RA, S/T and Backspacer will be very fucking interesting in 50 years time.
Who isn't skeptical of Obama!?!?! Thanks Ed for calling him out on it! Now us as Americans needs to stand up to this asshole and make the changes we as Americans wanted when he was voted in.
I knew all the rules, but the rules did not know me...GUARANTEED!
Either way, I love the lyrics to this song. Ed sounds skeptical of Obama throughout. Are we continuing this war in Iraq or are we sending our boys home? (Are we dropping bombs, are we getting out?) Is the storm almost over (drying up) or are you just another part of it (big drop)?
I think the "some" that Ed has is COURAGE. If Obama doesn't have the balls to reverse Bush's policies, then Eddie's "got some" he can have.
Even though everyone might not love Riot Act and S/T, you have to admit that the lyrical progression of these three albums is going to blow us away. A trilogy based on historical perspective. RA, S/T and Backspacer will be very fucking interesting in 50 years time.
Who isn't skeptical of Obama!?!?! Thanks Ed for calling him out on it! Now us as Americans needs to stand up to this asshole and make the changes we as Americans wanted when he was voted in.
First off lets not forget the band supported Kerry in 2004 in the ABB days secondly its obvious disappointment in Obama so far... for the following reasons: (Here what I read into the song meaninng)
States Secrets Priviledge
“When I am president we won’t work in secret to avoid honoring our laws and Constitution.”---Presidential Candidate, Barack Obama, 2007
Obama admin invoked 3 times in first 100 days, defending warrantless illegal wiretapping.
NSA Warrantless Wiretapping
The new Administration has pledged to defend the Telecommunications Industry by giving them immunity against any lawsuit that may involve their participation in the illegal NSA wiretapping program. In 2007, Obama’s office released the following position of then Senator Obama: “Senator Obama unequivocally opposes giving retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies ... Senator Obama will not be among those voting to end the filibuster.” But then Senator Obama made his 180 degree flip, and voted to end the filibuster. After that, along with other colleagues in Congress, he tried to placate the critics of his move by falsely assuring them that the immunity did not extend to the Bush Administration - the Executive Branch who did break the law. Another flip was yet to come, awaiting his presidency, when Obama’s Justice Department defended its predecessor not only by using the State Secrets Privilege, but taking it even further, by astoundingly granting the Executive Branch an unlimited immunity for any kind of ‘illegal’ government surveillance.
Let me emphasize, the Obama Administration’s action in this regard was not about ‘being trapped’ in situations created and put in place by the previous administration. These were willful acts fully reviewed, decided upon, and then implemented by the new president and his Justice Department.
Accountability on Torture
President Obama’s action and inaction on Torture can be summarized very clearly as follows: First give an absolute pass, under the guise of ‘looking forward not backward,’ to the ultimate culprits who had ordered it. Next, absolve all the implementers, practitioners and related agencies, under the excuse of ‘complying with orders without questioning,’ and then start giving the ‘drafters’ of the memos an out by transferring the decision for action to the states.
After granting the ‘untouchable’ status to all involved in this shameful chapter in our nation’s dangerous downward slide, he now refuses to release the photos, the incriminating evidence, and is doing so by using the exact same justification used repeatedly by his predecessors: ‘Their release would endanger the troops,’ as in ‘the revelation on NSA would endanger our national security’ and ‘stronger whistleblower laws would endanger our intelligence agencies’ and so on and so forth. The "photos arent sensational" maybe he thinks raping women and boys isnt sensational but how about the photos of womens menstrating on assumed "terrorists" or broomstick sodomizing.
The Revival of Bush Era Military Commission
After all the talk and pretty speeches given during his presidential campaign on the ‘failure’ of Bush era military tribunals of Guantanamo inmates, Mr. Obama has decided to revive the same style military commission, albeit with a little cosmetic tweak here and there to re-brand it as his own. Many former supporters of Mr. Obama who’ve been vocal and active on Human Rights fronts have expressed their ‘total shock’ by this move and its pretense of being different and improved, "As a constitutional lawyer, Obama must know that he can put lipstick on this pig - but it will always be a pig," said Zachary Katznelson, legal director of Reprieve.
Thankfully the ‘on the record’ statements of Candidate Obama in 2008 on this issue, contradicting his action today, are accessible to all:
“It's time to better protect the American people and our values by bringing swift and sure justice to terrorists through our courts and our Uniform Code of Military Justice.”
And most importantly to Ed....War and Bodies Piling Up
All the death and destruction is carried out while the administration’s Afghan policy is still murky and confused, and it’s strategy ambiguous. Sure, our so-called ‘New’ Afghan Strategy includes more troops and asks for a much larger budget allocation; nothing new there. It is another war with no time table. It is the continuation of the same abstract ‘War on Terror’ without any definition of what would constitute an ‘accomplished mission.’ One minute there is pondering on possible ‘reconciliation’ with the Taliban, and the next minute seeking to topple it. In fact, to confuse the matter even further, we now hear this distinction between ‘Good Taliban, Bad Taliban, and the Plain Ugly Taliban.’ As stated by Karzai on Meet the Press on May 10, 2009, not all Taliban are equal!!
And for good measure, I can go on listing cases of Mr. Obama’s change on change. Whether it is his reversal on protection for whistleblowers, despite his campaign promise to the contrary, or his expansion of the Un-American title of ‘Czardom,’ where we now have more czars than ever: Border Czar, Energy Czar, Cyber Security Czar…Car Czar…maybe even a Bicycle Czar!. Or…But for now I’ll stick with the major promises that were ‘Central’ to him getting elected, all of which he has flipped on in less than 150 days in office, a track record indeed.
First off lets not forget the band supported Kerry in 2004 in the ABB days secondly its obvious disappointment in Obama so far... for the following reasons: (Here what I read into the song meaninng)
States Secrets Priviledge
“When I am president we won’t work in secret to avoid honoring our laws and Constitution.”---Presidential Candidate, Barack Obama, 2007
Obama admin invoked 3 times in first 100 days, defending warrantless illegal wiretapping.
NSA Warrantless Wiretapping
The new Administration has pledged to defend the Telecommunications Industry by giving them immunity against any lawsuit that may involve their participation in the illegal NSA wiretapping program. In 2007, Obama’s office released the following position of then Senator Obama: “Senator Obama unequivocally opposes giving retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies ... Senator Obama will not be among those voting to end the filibuster.” But then Senator Obama made his 180 degree flip, and voted to end the filibuster. After that, along with other colleagues in Congress, he tried to placate the critics of his move by falsely assuring them that the immunity did not extend to the Bush Administration - the Executive Branch who did break the law. Another flip was yet to come, awaiting his presidency, when Obama’s Justice Department defended its predecessor not only by using the State Secrets Privilege, but taking it even further, by astoundingly granting the Executive Branch an unlimited immunity for any kind of ‘illegal’ government surveillance.
Let me emphasize, the Obama Administration’s action in this regard was not about ‘being trapped’ in situations created and put in place by the previous administration. These were willful acts fully reviewed, decided upon, and then implemented by the new president and his Justice Department.
Accountability on Torture
President Obama’s action and inaction on Torture can be summarized very clearly as follows: First give an absolute pass, under the guise of ‘looking forward not backward,’ to the ultimate culprits who had ordered it. Next, absolve all the implementers, practitioners and related agencies, under the excuse of ‘complying with orders without questioning,’ and then start giving the ‘drafters’ of the memos an out by transferring the decision for action to the states.
After granting the ‘untouchable’ status to all involved in this shameful chapter in our nation’s dangerous downward slide, he now refuses to release the photos, the incriminating evidence, and is doing so by using the exact same justification used repeatedly by his predecessors: ‘Their release would endanger the troops,’ as in ‘the revelation on NSA would endanger our national security’ and ‘stronger whistleblower laws would endanger our intelligence agencies’ and so on and so forth. The "photos arent sensational" maybe he thinks raping women and boys isnt sensational but how about the photos of womens menstrating on assumed "terrorists" or broomstick sodomizing.
The Revival of Bush Era Military Commission
After all the talk and pretty speeches given during his presidential campaign on the ‘failure’ of Bush era military tribunals of Guantanamo inmates, Mr. Obama has decided to revive the same style military commission, albeit with a little cosmetic tweak here and there to re-brand it as his own. Many former supporters of Mr. Obama who’ve been vocal and active on Human Rights fronts have expressed their ‘total shock’ by this move and its pretense of being different and improved, "As a constitutional lawyer, Obama must know that he can put lipstick on this pig - but it will always be a pig," said Zachary Katznelson, legal director of Reprieve.
Thankfully the ‘on the record’ statements of Candidate Obama in 2008 on this issue, contradicting his action today, are accessible to all:
“It's time to better protect the American people and our values by bringing swift and sure justice to terrorists through our courts and our Uniform Code of Military Justice.”
And most importantly to Ed....War and Bodies Piling Up
All the death and destruction is carried out while the administration’s Afghan policy is still murky and confused, and it’s strategy ambiguous. Sure, our so-called ‘New’ Afghan Strategy includes more troops and asks for a much larger budget allocation; nothing new there. It is another war with no time table. It is the continuation of the same abstract ‘War on Terror’ without any definition of what would constitute an ‘accomplished mission.’ One minute there is pondering on possible ‘reconciliation’ with the Taliban, and the next minute seeking to topple it. In fact, to confuse the matter even further, we now hear this distinction between ‘Good Taliban, Bad Taliban, and the Plain Ugly Taliban.’ As stated by Karzai on Meet the Press on May 10, 2009, not all Taliban are equal!!
And for good measure, I can go on listing cases of Mr. Obama’s change on change. Whether it is his reversal on protection for whistleblowers, despite his campaign promise to the contrary, or his expansion of the Un-American title of ‘Czardom,’ where we now have more czars than ever: Border Czar, Energy Czar, Cyber Security Czar…Car Czar…maybe even a Bicycle Czar!. Or…But for now I’ll stick with the major promises that were ‘Central’ to him getting elected, all of which he has flipped on in less than 150 days in office, a track record indeed.
I only made it to the 2nd paragraph of your post. Sorry, but my head is still spinning from today and I just couldnt do it.
Pearl Jam Shows: 1998 - 9/11 New York, NY (MSG night 2); 9/13 Hartford, CT || 2000 - 8/24 Wantagh, NY (Jones Beach 2); 8/27 Saratoga Springs; 8/29 Mansfield, MA (night 1); 8/30 Mansfield, MA (night 2) || 2003 - 4/29 Albany, NY; 5/3 State College, PA; 7/2 Mansfield (night 1); 7/6 Camden, NJ (night 2); 7/8 New York, NY (MSG night 1) || 2004 - 9/28 Boston, MA (night 1); 9/29 Boston, MA (night 2) || 2005 - 10/3 Philadelphia, PA || 2006 - 5/12 Albany, NY; 5/13 Hartford, CT; 5/24 Boston, MA (night 1); 5/25 Boston, MA (night 2); 5/27 Camden, NJ (night 1); 5/28 Camden, NJ (night 2)|| 2008 - 6/19 Camden, NJ (night 1); 6/24 New York, NY (MSG night 1); 6/25 New York, NY (MSG night 2); 6/27 Hartford, CT; 6/28 Mansfield, MA (night 1); 6/30 Mansfield, MA (night 2); 7/1 New York, NY (Beacon Theater)|| 2009 - 9/21 Seattle, WA (night 1); 9/22 Seattle, WA (night 2); 10/27 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 1); 10/28 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 2); 10/30 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 3); 10/31 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 4)|| 2010 - 5/15 Hartford, CT; 5/17 Boston, MA; 5/20 New York, NY (MSG night 1); 5/21 New York, NY (MSG night 2)|| 2011 - 9/3 East Troy, WI (PJ20); 9/4 East Troy, WI (PJ20) || 2012 - 9/2 Philadelphia, PA, 9/30 Missoula, MT || 2013 - 7/19 Chicago, IL (Wrigley Field), 10/12 Buffalo, NY, 10/15 Worcester, MA (night 1), 10/16 Worcester, MA (night 2), 10/18 Brooklyn, NY (night 1), 10/19 Brooklyn, NY (night 2), 10/25 Hartford, CT || 2014 - 10/22 Denver, CO || 2015 - 9/26 New York, NY (Global Citizen Festival) || 2016 - 5/1 New York, NY (night 1), 5/2 New York, NY (night 2), 8/5 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 1), 8/7 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 2) || 2018 - 9/2 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 1) || 2020 - 3/30 New York, NY Eddie Vedder solo: 2008 - Boston night 1 & 2 || 2009 - Albany, NY night 1 & 2 || 2011 - Hartford, CT, Boston, MA
most of the ed-penned tunes are multi-dimensional lyrically... and surely this one is of the same breed. but i have to think that a song featuring lyrics about "dropping bombs" and "diplomatic resolve" might have a little something to do with the current state of american political affairs.
the first dozen verses are of a distinct melody that is not returned to in the rest of the song. those lyrics can be viewed separately - maybe ed speaking to the obamaniacs that are secretly starting to grow a little skeptical of our president; telling them that he will speak for them through this rock song. then the rest addresses this growing skepticism with a harder punk/rock edge.
i went to obama rallies, i voted for the man, my car still wears his bumper sticker. but the truth is that some people on the "far left" like myself are starting to wonder if he is liberal enough... although his recent supreme court nomination eases those minds somewhat. it is not anti-obama; ed is just questioning things.
God. Why does every song have to be about presidential politics with this guy? I'm worn out.
Give me an album full of "Big Waves"
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
most of the ed-penned tunes are multi-dimensional lyrically... and surely this one is of the same breed. but i have to think that a song featuring lyrics about "dropping bombs" and "diplomatic resolve" might have a little something to do with the current state of american political affairs.
the first dozen verses are of a distinct melody that is not returned to in the rest of the song. those lyrics can be viewed separately - maybe ed speaking to the obamaniacs that are secretly starting to grow a little skeptical of our president; telling them that he will speak for them through this rock song. then the rest addresses this growing skepticism with a harder punk/rock edge.
i went to obama rallies, i voted for the man, my car still wears his bumper sticker. but the truth is that some people on the "far left" like myself are starting to wonder if he is liberal enough... although his recent supreme court nomination eases those minds somewhat. it is not anti-obama; ed is just questioning things.
God. Why does every song have to be about presidential politics with this guy? I'm worn out.
Give me an album full of "Big Waves"
I agree with your point about every song being about politics. It is getting so fucking old. But I disagree with a whole albums of Big Waves. LOL. That would be the end for me.
Pearl Jam Shows: 1998 - 9/11 New York, NY (MSG night 2); 9/13 Hartford, CT || 2000 - 8/24 Wantagh, NY (Jones Beach 2); 8/27 Saratoga Springs; 8/29 Mansfield, MA (night 1); 8/30 Mansfield, MA (night 2) || 2003 - 4/29 Albany, NY; 5/3 State College, PA; 7/2 Mansfield (night 1); 7/6 Camden, NJ (night 2); 7/8 New York, NY (MSG night 1) || 2004 - 9/28 Boston, MA (night 1); 9/29 Boston, MA (night 2) || 2005 - 10/3 Philadelphia, PA || 2006 - 5/12 Albany, NY; 5/13 Hartford, CT; 5/24 Boston, MA (night 1); 5/25 Boston, MA (night 2); 5/27 Camden, NJ (night 1); 5/28 Camden, NJ (night 2)|| 2008 - 6/19 Camden, NJ (night 1); 6/24 New York, NY (MSG night 1); 6/25 New York, NY (MSG night 2); 6/27 Hartford, CT; 6/28 Mansfield, MA (night 1); 6/30 Mansfield, MA (night 2); 7/1 New York, NY (Beacon Theater)|| 2009 - 9/21 Seattle, WA (night 1); 9/22 Seattle, WA (night 2); 10/27 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 1); 10/28 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 2); 10/30 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 3); 10/31 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 4)|| 2010 - 5/15 Hartford, CT; 5/17 Boston, MA; 5/20 New York, NY (MSG night 1); 5/21 New York, NY (MSG night 2)|| 2011 - 9/3 East Troy, WI (PJ20); 9/4 East Troy, WI (PJ20) || 2012 - 9/2 Philadelphia, PA, 9/30 Missoula, MT || 2013 - 7/19 Chicago, IL (Wrigley Field), 10/12 Buffalo, NY, 10/15 Worcester, MA (night 1), 10/16 Worcester, MA (night 2), 10/18 Brooklyn, NY (night 1), 10/19 Brooklyn, NY (night 2), 10/25 Hartford, CT || 2014 - 10/22 Denver, CO || 2015 - 9/26 New York, NY (Global Citizen Festival) || 2016 - 5/1 New York, NY (night 1), 5/2 New York, NY (night 2), 8/5 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 1), 8/7 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 2) || 2018 - 9/2 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 1) || 2020 - 3/30 New York, NY Eddie Vedder solo: 2008 - Boston night 1 & 2 || 2009 - Albany, NY night 1 & 2 || 2011 - Hartford, CT, Boston, MA
First off lets not forget the band supported Kerry in 2004 in the ABB days secondly its obvious disappointment in Obama so far... for the following reasons: (Here what I read into the song meaninng)
States Secrets Priviledge
“When I am president we won’t work in secret to avoid honoring our laws and Constitution.”---Presidential Candidate, Barack Obama, 2007
Obama admin invoked 3 times in first 100 days, defending warrantless illegal wiretapping.
NSA Warrantless Wiretapping
The new Administration has pledged to defend the Telecommunications Industry by giving them immunity against any lawsuit that may involve their participation in the illegal NSA wiretapping program. In 2007, Obama’s office released the following position of then Senator Obama: “Senator Obama unequivocally opposes giving retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies ... Senator Obama will not be among those voting to end the filibuster.” But then Senator Obama made his 180 degree flip, and voted to end the filibuster. After that, along with other colleagues in Congress, he tried to placate the critics of his move by falsely assuring them that the immunity did not extend to the Bush Administration - the Executive Branch who did break the law. Another flip was yet to come, awaiting his presidency, when Obama’s Justice Department defended its predecessor not only by using the State Secrets Privilege, but taking it even further, by astoundingly granting the Executive Branch an unlimited immunity for any kind of ‘illegal’ government surveillance.
Let me emphasize, the Obama Administration’s action in this regard was not about ‘being trapped’ in situations created and put in place by the previous administration. These were willful acts fully reviewed, decided upon, and then implemented by the new president and his Justice Department.
Accountability on Torture
President Obama’s action and inaction on Torture can be summarized very clearly as follows: First give an absolute pass, under the guise of ‘looking forward not backward,’ to the ultimate culprits who had ordered it. Next, absolve all the implementers, practitioners and related agencies, under the excuse of ‘complying with orders without questioning,’ and then start giving the ‘drafters’ of the memos an out by transferring the decision for action to the states.
After granting the ‘untouchable’ status to all involved in this shameful chapter in our nation’s dangerous downward slide, he now refuses to release the photos, the incriminating evidence, and is doing so by using the exact same justification used repeatedly by his predecessors: ‘Their release would endanger the troops,’ as in ‘the revelation on NSA would endanger our national security’ and ‘stronger whistleblower laws would endanger our intelligence agencies’ and so on and so forth. The "photos arent sensational" maybe he thinks raping women and boys isnt sensational but how about the photos of womens menstrating on assumed "terrorists" or broomstick sodomizing.
The Revival of Bush Era Military Commission
After all the talk and pretty speeches given during his presidential campaign on the ‘failure’ of Bush era military tribunals of Guantanamo inmates, Mr. Obama has decided to revive the same style military commission, albeit with a little cosmetic tweak here and there to re-brand it as his own. Many former supporters of Mr. Obama who’ve been vocal and active on Human Rights fronts have expressed their ‘total shock’ by this move and its pretense of being different and improved, "As a constitutional lawyer, Obama must know that he can put lipstick on this pig - but it will always be a pig," said Zachary Katznelson, legal director of Reprieve.
Thankfully the ‘on the record’ statements of Candidate Obama in 2008 on this issue, contradicting his action today, are accessible to all:
“It's time to better protect the American people and our values by bringing swift and sure justice to terrorists through our courts and our Uniform Code of Military Justice.”
And most importantly to Ed....War and Bodies Piling Up
All the death and destruction is carried out while the administration’s Afghan policy is still murky and confused, and it’s strategy ambiguous. Sure, our so-called ‘New’ Afghan Strategy includes more troops and asks for a much larger budget allocation; nothing new there. It is another war with no time table. It is the continuation of the same abstract ‘War on Terror’ without any definition of what would constitute an ‘accomplished mission.’ One minute there is pondering on possible ‘reconciliation’ with the Taliban, and the next minute seeking to topple it. In fact, to confuse the matter even further, we now hear this distinction between ‘Good Taliban, Bad Taliban, and the Plain Ugly Taliban.’ As stated by Karzai on Meet the Press on May 10, 2009, not all Taliban are equal!!
And for good measure, I can go on listing cases of Mr. Obama’s change on change. Whether it is his reversal on protection for whistleblowers, despite his campaign promise to the contrary, or his expansion of the Un-American title of ‘Czardom,’ where we now have more czars than ever: Border Czar, Energy Czar, Cyber Security Czar…Car Czar…maybe even a Bicycle Czar!. Or…But for now I’ll stick with the major promises that were ‘Central’ to him getting elected, all of which he has flipped on in less than 150 days in office, a track record indeed.
Either way, I love the lyrics to this song. Ed sounds skeptical of Obama throughout. Are we continuing this war in Iraq or are we sending our boys home? (Are we dropping bombs, are we getting out?) Is the storm almost over (drying up) or are you just another part of it (big drop)?
I think the "some" that Ed has is COURAGE. If Obama doesn't have the balls to reverse Bush's policies, then Eddie's "got some" he can have.
Even though everyone might not love Riot Act and S/T, you have to admit that the lyrical progression of these three albums is going to blow us away. A trilogy based on historical perspective. RA, S/T and Backspacer will be very fucking interesting in 50 years time.
Who isn't skeptical of Obama!?!?! Thanks Ed for calling him out on it! Now us as Americans needs to stand up to this asshole and make the changes we as Americans wanted when he was voted in.
I couldnt agree anymore.
Thank you Eddie.
You know what. Fuck that. If that's really what this song is about, then Ed gets no "thank you" from me. You get what you deserve. Should have seen that coming five months ago, when you were displaying that giant-ass "Obama" sign at your solo shows and fellating Obama during "Wishlist" tags on the last tour.
Anybody who voted for Obama thinking he would be anything different than what he's been is a fucking fool. He was who we thought he was. And if Ed is just now figuring that out, I'm sorry, he's a fucking fool, too.
There's nothing that's happened in the last five months that could possibly warrant Ed going from apparently the world's biggest Obama supporter this side of Michelle to writing songs railing against him.
That can't be what this song is about. Can it? Seriously. I really, really need this song to have a less specific meaning than that. Like asking "the world" which side it is on. Or something. Please God.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
I was wondering why Eddie took the drum riser as well....he looked petrified of Conan's hair!! The song was rockin' though and Mike and Stone looked like they were into it
'93 Toronto
'94 Detroit
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I was wondering why Eddie took the drum riser as well....he looked petrified of Conan's hair!! The song was rockin' though and Mike and Stone looked like they were into it
always downplays being the frontman... its a band called pearl jam not EVB "eddie, eddie, eddie, eddie"
I wouldn't put it past them to take a shot at Obama in this song. When you think about it, those lyrics do fit.
"Are you dropping bombs, are you getting out?"
And I wouldn't call this railing against him, more like pushing him.
But as others have mentioned their songs sometimes have deeper meanings so maybe that is the case here. You can read it as a shot at Obama or something else entirely and we don't know what that is yet.
But again, everyone needs to remember that they have always, always been political regardless of who was in office. Binaural is loaded with polictical shots and Clinton was president then.
Definitely political undertones and double entendres in the Got Some lyrics. ... I love the title of the album, Backspacer. ... Is the band saying they wish the previous 8 years could be done over (Bush)? That's how I interpret it. ... A couple sites reporting the new album comes out Sept. 22.
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most of the ed-penned tunes are multi-dimensional lyrically... and surely this one is of the same breed. but i have to think that a song featuring lyrics about "dropping bombs" and "diplomatic resolve" might have a little something to do with the current state of american political affairs.
the first dozen verses are of a distinct melody that is not returned to in the rest of the song. those lyrics can be viewed separately - maybe ed speaking to the obamaniacs that are secretly starting to grow a little skeptical of our president; telling them that he will speak for them through this rock song. then the rest addresses this growing skepticism with a harder punk/rock edge.
i went to obama rallies, i voted for the man, my car still wears his bumper sticker. but the truth is that some people on the "far left" like myself are starting to wonder if he is liberal enough... although his recent supreme court nomination eases those minds somewhat. it is not anti-obama; ed is just questioning things.
God. Why does every song have to be about presidential politics with this guy? I'm worn out.
Give me an album full of "Big Waves"
I didnt vote for Obama. I didnt believe in his big change shit. I'm just happy that an open supporter such as Eddie is saying fuck this, dont make these empty promises. and is actually saying shit against obama.
Watched/listened to that damn video off and on all day. When all is said and done, I think the song is solid and PJ rocked; I can't get it out of my head now! Plus, Jeff is one of the coolest four string slingers to watch play live.
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good ol mubbling Ed.
Keeping with the precipitation theme, I think he closes with "Are you a puddle full of detrimental?" He definitely says the word "puddle."
I have to think he may have messed the lyric at the end, I can see the album version: "Are you drying up, are you a big drop in a puddle fucking detrimental?"
Thoughts?
I think the "some" that Ed has is COURAGE. If Obama doesn't have the balls to reverse Bush's policies, then Eddie's "got some" he can have.
Even though everyone might not love Riot Act and S/T, you have to admit that the lyrical progression of these three albums is going to blow us away. A trilogy based on historical perspective. RA, S/T and Backspacer will be very fucking interesting in 50 years time.
yeah, the songs sound somewhat similar but, "Got Some" is a much better song, and Peal Jam looks much less ridiculous than Devo performing it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQj6vI_LX9g
This might be a post for the Moving Train, but if Ed is already jumping ship on Obama five months after publicly pimping him for President ... then Ed is being a jackass.
And I didn't even vote for Obama.
I have to think this song is about something more general than that ...
for the least they could possibly do
Doesn't sound like he's jumping ship, just holding this president to the same standards as the last. I definitely didn't expect any sorta anti-Obama tune this album, though.
And you're not leaving here without me, I don't wanna be without
My best... friend. Wake up, to see you could have it all
Again. Give the dude longer than a couple of months.
Looking at what I think the lyrics are, I don't think this song is *only* about Obama, or the war ... I think it's about something bigger, broader and more general.
for the least they could possibly do
I'm pretty behind on Pearl Jam news sorry!
the first dozen verses are of a distinct melody that is not returned to in the rest of the song. those lyrics can be viewed separately - maybe ed speaking to the obamaniacs that are secretly starting to grow a little skeptical of our president; telling them that he will speak for them through this rock song. then the rest addresses this growing skepticism with a harder punk/rock edge.
i went to obama rallies, i voted for the man, my car still wears his bumper sticker. but the truth is that some people on the "far left" like myself are starting to wonder if he is liberal enough... although his recent supreme court nomination eases those minds somewhat. it is not anti-obama; ed is just questioning things.
It was a one time only performance and they're not releasing and album now.
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I couldnt agree anymore.
Thank you Eddie.
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“When I am president we won’t work in secret to avoid honoring our laws and Constitution.”---Presidential Candidate, Barack Obama, 2007
Obama admin invoked 3 times in first 100 days, defending warrantless illegal wiretapping.
NSA Warrantless Wiretapping
The new Administration has pledged to defend the Telecommunications Industry by giving them immunity against any lawsuit that may involve their participation in the illegal NSA wiretapping program. In 2007, Obama’s office released the following position of then Senator Obama: “Senator Obama unequivocally opposes giving retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies ... Senator Obama will not be among those voting to end the filibuster.” But then Senator Obama made his 180 degree flip, and voted to end the filibuster. After that, along with other colleagues in Congress, he tried to placate the critics of his move by falsely assuring them that the immunity did not extend to the Bush Administration - the Executive Branch who did break the law. Another flip was yet to come, awaiting his presidency, when Obama’s Justice Department defended its predecessor not only by using the State Secrets Privilege, but taking it even further, by astoundingly granting the Executive Branch an unlimited immunity for any kind of ‘illegal’ government surveillance.
Let me emphasize, the Obama Administration’s action in this regard was not about ‘being trapped’ in situations created and put in place by the previous administration. These were willful acts fully reviewed, decided upon, and then implemented by the new president and his Justice Department.
Accountability on Torture
President Obama’s action and inaction on Torture can be summarized very clearly as follows: First give an absolute pass, under the guise of ‘looking forward not backward,’ to the ultimate culprits who had ordered it. Next, absolve all the implementers, practitioners and related agencies, under the excuse of ‘complying with orders without questioning,’ and then start giving the ‘drafters’ of the memos an out by transferring the decision for action to the states.
After granting the ‘untouchable’ status to all involved in this shameful chapter in our nation’s dangerous downward slide, he now refuses to release the photos, the incriminating evidence, and is doing so by using the exact same justification used repeatedly by his predecessors: ‘Their release would endanger the troops,’ as in ‘the revelation on NSA would endanger our national security’ and ‘stronger whistleblower laws would endanger our intelligence agencies’ and so on and so forth. The "photos arent sensational" maybe he thinks raping women and boys isnt sensational but how about the photos of womens menstrating on assumed "terrorists" or broomstick sodomizing.
The Revival of Bush Era Military Commission
After all the talk and pretty speeches given during his presidential campaign on the ‘failure’ of Bush era military tribunals of Guantanamo inmates, Mr. Obama has decided to revive the same style military commission, albeit with a little cosmetic tweak here and there to re-brand it as his own. Many former supporters of Mr. Obama who’ve been vocal and active on Human Rights fronts have expressed their ‘total shock’ by this move and its pretense of being different and improved, "As a constitutional lawyer, Obama must know that he can put lipstick on this pig - but it will always be a pig," said Zachary Katznelson, legal director of Reprieve.
Thankfully the ‘on the record’ statements of Candidate Obama in 2008 on this issue, contradicting his action today, are accessible to all:
“It's time to better protect the American people and our values by bringing swift and sure justice to terrorists through our courts and our Uniform Code of Military Justice.”
And most importantly to Ed....War and Bodies Piling Up
All the death and destruction is carried out while the administration’s Afghan policy is still murky and confused, and it’s strategy ambiguous. Sure, our so-called ‘New’ Afghan Strategy includes more troops and asks for a much larger budget allocation; nothing new there. It is another war with no time table. It is the continuation of the same abstract ‘War on Terror’ without any definition of what would constitute an ‘accomplished mission.’ One minute there is pondering on possible ‘reconciliation’ with the Taliban, and the next minute seeking to topple it. In fact, to confuse the matter even further, we now hear this distinction between ‘Good Taliban, Bad Taliban, and the Plain Ugly Taliban.’ As stated by Karzai on Meet the Press on May 10, 2009, not all Taliban are equal!!
And for good measure, I can go on listing cases of Mr. Obama’s change on change. Whether it is his reversal on protection for whistleblowers, despite his campaign promise to the contrary, or his expansion of the Un-American title of ‘Czardom,’ where we now have more czars than ever: Border Czar, Energy Czar, Cyber Security Czar…Car Czar…maybe even a Bicycle Czar!. Or…But for now I’ll stick with the major promises that were ‘Central’ to him getting elected, all of which he has flipped on in less than 150 days in office, a track record indeed.
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God. Why does every song have to be about presidential politics with this guy? I'm worn out.
Give me an album full of "Big Waves"
for the least they could possibly do
Eddie Vedder solo: 2008 - Boston night 1 & 2 || 2009 - Albany, NY night 1 & 2 || 2011 - Hartford, CT, Boston, MA
I just read this post...not sure why.
couldnt agree more!
You know what. Fuck that. If that's really what this song is about, then Ed gets no "thank you" from me. You get what you deserve. Should have seen that coming five months ago, when you were displaying that giant-ass "Obama" sign at your solo shows and fellating Obama during "Wishlist" tags on the last tour.
Anybody who voted for Obama thinking he would be anything different than what he's been is a fucking fool. He was who we thought he was. And if Ed is just now figuring that out, I'm sorry, he's a fucking fool, too.
There's nothing that's happened in the last five months that could possibly warrant Ed going from apparently the world's biggest Obama supporter this side of Michelle to writing songs railing against him.
That can't be what this song is about. Can it? Seriously. I really, really need this song to have a less specific meaning than that. Like asking "the world" which side it is on. Or something. Please God.
for the least they could possibly do
'94 Detroit
'10 Columbus
'11 Detroit (Eddie solo), Toronto 1 and 2, Ottawa, Hamilton
'13 London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
'14 Detroit
'16 Ottawa, Toronto 1 and 2, Chicago 1 and 2
'18 Chicago 1 and 2
'22 Hamilton, Toronto
someone should tell that guy that less is more :shock:
also the moving train is over there
always downplays being the frontman... its a band called pearl jam not EVB "eddie, eddie, eddie, eddie"
"Are you dropping bombs, are you getting out?"
And I wouldn't call this railing against him, more like pushing him.
But as others have mentioned their songs sometimes have deeper meanings so maybe that is the case here. You can read it as a shot at Obama or something else entirely and we don't know what that is yet.
But again, everyone needs to remember that they have always, always been political regardless of who was in office. Binaural is loaded with polictical shots and Clinton was president then.
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I didnt vote for Obama. I didnt believe in his big change shit. I'm just happy that an open supporter such as Eddie is saying fuck this, dont make these empty promises. and is actually saying shit against obama.