June 2nd Release Date? I'd think so

decides2dream

norm wrote:

Get_Right wrote:

Guitarhero27 wrote:

Because on a logistical and marketing standpoint, it's pointless.

how about just because it would be fun? how about they are doing it because they have never played the tonight show (I dont think) and they like Conan? how about that playing the first night of the "new" tonight show is kinda cool just in itself? they will play a song, folks will rip it and distribute it and build a buzz for the official release and tour dates

logistically, you and I really dont know whats involved-but hey Id watch out for a show in LA around that time
from a marketing standpoint? since when has that been the only reason PJ makes decision?

thank you...someone making sense

exactly....said the same in my very first post. it's certainly not *pointless* at all. it's win-win for them both! conan scoring a big band for his opening, pearl jam being the first musical guest on the new tonight show. that, in and of itself, is reason *enough*....right along with the fun, the buzz generated, the excitement. i don't see why any other *reasons*, such as album release, whatever...needs to be tied to it, at all.

Guitarhero27

decides2dream wrote:

i don't see why any other *reasons*, such as album release, whatever...needs to be tied to it, at all.

Because whether you like it or not, the world of business is is not about "fun", but rather, business.

DewieCox

soulsinging wrote:

NIN and Radiohead are miles ahead of PJ both in terms of internet savvy and in public awareness. They can do that and people will race to get it. PJ doesn't generate the same kind of interest.

The Conan premiere could be viewed as somethin to help raise awareness for PJ's new album, so I think they are gonna capitalize on it as much as possible. They've promoted their albums more and more with the last few albums, and I'd guess they'll turn it up a notch again for this one.

Slap a "name your own price" box in PJ's store and they will have matched Radiohead's internet savvy. NIN are miles ahead of everybody as far as that goes, but nobody has really tried anything on the same level. The "name your own price" thing was cool but I dunno if it was anything more than what PJ has done with their live shows.

Radiohead did it more to make headlines, where NIN are really using it to move music forward.

decides2dream

Guitarhero27 wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

i don't see why any other *reasons*, such as album release, whatever...needs to be tied to it, at all.

Because whether you like it or not, the world of business is is not about "fun", but rather, business.

believe me, i understand that. :?

seriously tho, getting to the point pearl jam is in at this point in their career does afford them many choices....and they have always been about making their own decisions. you also fail to appreciate that simply being ON the tonight show, for it's debut with conan at the helm, is a HUGE business thing in terms of exposure. as others have rightly pointed out, this is NOT the first time pearl jam has made a tv performance, nor debuted new music on a tv performance, without an album release already or soon after. again i say, it is VERY possible they are doing it for the *fun* of it...and you bet...the exposure, for both pearl jam and conan, all win-win....and who's to say that after this initial show, conan doesn't ask them back in 3-4 months time to be a musical guest, again, to promote their new album? this is how good business relationships develop....you use your star-power to help another star shine more brightly. who knows...maybe you'll be right. i personally think not. in either case tho, your opinion on the topic - being there is 'no point' to this appearance if they don't release their album right away - is just that, your opinion....and no more right or wrong than anyone' else's here.

Guitarhero27

decides2dream wrote:

Guitarhero27 wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

i don't see why any other *reasons*, such as album release, whatever...needs to be tied to it, at all.

Because whether you like it or not, the world of business is is not about "fun", but rather, business.

believe me, i understand that. :?

seriously tho, getting to the point pearl jam is in at this point in their career does afford them many choices....and they have always been about making their own decisions. you also fail to appreciate that simply being ON the tonight show, for it's debut with conan at the helm, is a HUGE business thing in terms of exposure. as others have rightly pointed out, this is NOT the first time pearl jam has made a tv performance, nor debuted new music on a tv performance, without an album release already or soon after. again i say, it is VERY possible they are doing it for the *fun* of it...and you bet...the exposure, for both pearl jam and conan, all win-win....and who's to say that after this initial show, conan doesn't ask them back in 3-4 months time to be a musical guest, again, to promote their new album? this is how good business relationships develop....you use your star-power to help another star shine more brightly. who knows...maybe you'll be right. i personally think not. in either case tho, your opinion on the topic - being there is 'no point' to this appearance if they don't release their album right away - is just that, your opinion....and no more right or wrong than anyone' else's here.

Exactly We are on the same page, having some good discussion here, but another opinion of mine is...

Back when PJ did the 2005 tour (which was to fund the avocado album through pearl jam llc rather than individual pockets or the backing of a record label, that is fact, not opinion) they stated they will not play any of the new stuff....sure gone was written, then later recorded for the album.....BUT.....they were touring on no album (unless you count it for the lost dogs/rearviewmirror tour)...but also, they did not play the new songs.....and there were a lot of hardcore fans that went to a lot of those shows....

I'm really not sure why - you can say the songs weren't "ready" but that could be another debate within itself, or to save the new stuff for something closer to the album release date....so to also bring up things in the past isn't ever relevant with PJ in the future....so we're all on a common ground of who knows.

But i'll be basking in zero glory if something is released june 2nd...cause we all win, not just me haha.

JOEJOEJOE

Guitarhero27 wrote:

LukinFan wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

My guess is Aug 24/25.

sounds about right- I do think it will happen right before ACL

Then why bother with the Conan show June 1st? Ok, Pearl Jam is playing new songs, to promote an upcoming album 3 months away? You don't take such a high profile show to promote something that's not ready for the public within a reasonable amount of time.

Ok, so digital download available June 2nd while hard copy/expanded cd available in the fall.

Let's see.

They are doing June 1 because that will be Conan's first show. If they were going to release the album on June 2, the marketing/promotion wheels would already have been cranking.

norm

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

They are doing June 1 because that will be Conan's first show. If they were going to release the album on June 2, the marketing/promotion wheels would already have been cranking.

i said that too but i was told radiohead did it differently so i was wrong... :roll:

Guitarhero27

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

They are doing June 1 because that will be Conan's first show. If they were going to release the album on June 2, the marketing/promotion wheels would already have been cranking.

you don't need marketing/promotion wheels on a new album in this day and age whether for an album or a single.....radiohead/nine inch nails have been doing just fine...and dave matthews hasn't ever had a promotion for an album for who knows how long i can remember....not saying it doesn't exist, but if it does it's not reaching part of its target audience

but who knows...i'm still saying, something june 2nd.

Solat13

Guitarhero27 wrote:

Exactly We are on the same page, having some good discussion here, but another opinion of mine is...

Back when PJ did the 2005 tour (which was to fund the avocado album through pearl jam llc rather than individual pockets or the backing of a record label, that is fact, not opinion) they stated they will not play any of the new stuff....sure gone was written, then later recorded for the album.....BUT.....they were touring on no album (unless you count it for the lost dogs/rearviewmirror tour)...but also, they did not play the new songs.....and there were a lot of hardcore fans that went to a lot of those shows....

I'm really not sure why - you can say the songs weren't "ready" but that could be another debate within itself, or to save the new stuff for something closer to the album release date....so to also bring up things in the past isn't ever relevant with PJ in the future....so we're all on a common ground of who knows.

But i'll be basking in zero glory if something is released june 2nd...cause we all win, not just me haha.

Gone was written the day before the Borgata shows by Ed and the band wouldn't had a chance to rehearse it or arrange it in full band format. So I'm not really sure that helps your argument.

JOEJOEJOE

Guitarhero27 wrote:

Doing Conan on June 1st is POINTLESS unless you're actually promoting something to be out rather quickly within the performance date...sure it's not pointless to the fans, but in the actuality of it, a band like Green Day (who's struggling with first week sales compared to American Idiot) should've tried for that spot on Conan.

They have sold 91,797 copies out of roughly 56% of retailers reporting (in the US)....they shipped out 650K cd's in anticipation of first week sales.

Just stating logistics here people.

Sounds like someone is trying to show what they learned in their music biz course at community college!

Guitarhero27

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Guitarhero27 wrote:

Doing Conan on June 1st is POINTLESS unless you're actually promoting something to be out rather quickly within the performance date...sure it's not pointless to the fans, but in the actuality of it, a band like Green Day (who's struggling with first week sales compared to American Idiot) should've tried for that spot on Conan.

They have sold 91,797 copies out of roughly 56% of retailers reporting (in the US)....they shipped out 650K cd's in anticipation of first week sales.

Just stating logistics here people.

Sounds like someone is trying to show what they learned in their music biz course at community college!

Went to Hofstra for Business Computer Information Systems....don't even work in that field haha! I work at the ports of new york and new jersey. Although I do read lots of music articles, books, and know a few entertainment lawyers haha.

And 100% reporting for Green Day US Sales: GREEN DAY REPRISE 221,345

BeerBaron

Seems very unlikely to me. Anything is possible, but this seems like a stretch.

JOEJOEJOE

Sounds like someone is trying to show what they learned in their music biz course at community college!
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Went to Hofstra for Business Computer Information Systems....don't even work in that field haha! I work at the ports of new york and new jersey. Although I do read lots of music articles, books, and know a few entertainment lawyers haha.

And 100% reporting for Green Day US Sales: GREEN DAY REPRISE 221,345[/quote]

Have you ever read the book by Don Passman re: the music biz?...its a good read.

Stephen Flow

June 2nd would be sick!

benjs

Guitarhero27 wrote:

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

They are doing June 1 because that will be Conan's first show. If they were going to release the album on June 2, the marketing/promotion wheels would already have been cranking.

you don't need marketing/promotion wheels on a new album in this day and age whether for an album or a single.....radiohead/nine inch nails have been doing just fine...and dave matthews hasn't ever had a promotion for an album for who knows how long i can remember....not saying it doesn't exist, but if it does it's not reaching part of its target audience

but who knows...i'm still saying, something june 2nd.

Look a couple posts up - someone stated something which I agree with, that the public awareness is much greater for Radiohead or Nine Inch Nails than Pearl Jam. Even so, the delivery became the marketing - when Radiohead announced their "pay what you want" idea, it was big news, and it was brilliant, as it brought the publicity to them. Unfortunately, now that Nine Inch Nails have done the same thing, I don't think there would be close to the same amount of hype surrounding if Pearl Jam did it.
All you need in "this day and age" is some form of innovation. Innovation draws publicity.

Guitarhero27

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Sounds like someone is trying to show what they learned in their music biz course at community college!

Went to Hofstra for Business Computer Information Systems....don't even work in that field haha! I work at the ports of new york and new jersey. Although I do read lots of music articles, books, and know a few entertainment lawyers haha.

And 100% reporting for Green Day US Sales: GREEN DAY REPRISE 221,345[/quote]

Have you ever read the book by Don Passman re: the music biz?...its a good read.[/quote]


I may have, lately been reading the making of the white album, and going to move onto slash's autobiography. I just know everytime I go to barnes and nobles I walk away with another book about music in some fashion. I'll look at a book, open a random page and read a few pages while there, barely noticing an author or title. I'll take a look when I get a chance as to whether I've read that one, if not I'll be sure to pick it up if in stock. Thanks.

moyboy

Just because they are on Conan doesn't mean that the new release will soon follow.
Could just be something interesting to include in the Cameron Crowe documentary.

Guitarhero27

moyboy wrote:

Just because they are on Conan doesn't mean that the new release will soon follow.
Could just be something interesting to include in the Cameron Crowe documentary.

HAH, someone finally gives me something I can agree with lol!

And to the poster who mentioned Gone being written at the AC show, I'm aware as I was there, however it was also played as part of a quick way to put an artists copyright on the song.

soulsinging

Guitarhero27 wrote:

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

They are doing June 1 because that will be Conan's first show. If they were going to release the album on June 2, the marketing/promotion wheels would already have been cranking.

you don't need marketing/promotion wheels on a new album in this day and age whether for an album or a single...

Then why does the Conan show only make sense if it's being done to market/promote the new album?

PearlJamPatriot

Pearl Jam usually releases a single at least a month before the album comes out don't They? They have no songle out so I think there is no chance the album comes out anytime soon. I hope I am wrong.