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  • letsongsprotest
    letsongsprotest Novi, MI Posts: 552
    Nice Blackhawks.

    I know that you're outmatched and outclassed, but way to goon it up today.

    Dont worry, only 1 more game and you're out of your misery.

    GO WINGS!!
    There's a trapdoor in the sun.
  • RoughMix
    RoughMix back of a lorry Posts: 385
    Songburst wrote:
    RoughMix wrote:
    The rule in question about not touching the puck and getting hit is one of the most non called rules in the game.
    "Technically",yes it was a penalty but this type of stuff happens every game.Two guys going into the corner after a loose puck they bump ,hit,whatever, should be a penalty but isn't.Refs discretion I guess.
    Call it all the time or don't call it at all.The puck was right there,inches from Havlat's feet.Songburst,in the case of Hudler there was no puck around when he was nailed.By the way Songburst were you actually watching robot,non-emotional Red Wing hockey,as you say,or are you just a "highlight" watcher.This series certainly is emotional now,thanks to a great Red Wings hit.
    Game 4 should be fun.
    GO WINGS!!
    Actually, interference is a penalty that is based on puck possession. If I have the puck and pass it, I have possession until another player touches it. It is legal to check somebody who has possession or has just lost possession. In Hudler's case, he still had possession because nobody had touched the puck after he passed it when he was hit.

    In Havlat's case, he never touched the puck therefore he did not have possession therefore the hit was interference. It was no real fault of Kronwall's mind you, because when he hit Havlat, he figured that Havlat would be receiving the pass at that instant -- those suicide passes are killer.

    Anyway, ya I watched the whole game 3 and it was ok (the first 2 periods were tolerable), but it is nowhere near the entertainment level of any other series I have watched yet in these playoffs. That puck possession game that the Wings play is soooo dull to watch. Kronwall's hit could have injected some emotion, but the Wings refuse to play that game, so it just becomes more of the same "force turnover in neutral zone, move puck up the side of the boards (wouldn't want to ever try a cross-ice pass because some excitement might ensue), get the puck in deep, send one guy in to forecheck (usually that's all you need if it's Datsyuk on the forecheck mind you), cycle the puck on the boards, shoot to miss defenders and hope you get a lucky bounce so someone can tap the puck into an empty net" -- repeat as required. The problem with that style is that the only way to beat it is to try to play the same style so you get snooze-fests.

    If you watched any of the Pittsburgh games in these playoffs, the games have been just fun to watch. End-to-end with multiple great scoring chances in both ends of the rink. I'm no Pittsburgh fan by any means either -- it's just been great hockey to watch.

    I'll hold my breath for an exciting game this afternoon -- afternoon games are lame even with the best of teams playing.
    Interference is based on puck possession,but the hit must happen immediately after the puck is gone.
    In the Hudler case the hit was late.
    I said in the Kronwall hit,this stuff happens all the time but is never called.Now all hits aren't as devastating as this one was. Which is partly why the call was made.Why not only 2 minutes for interference on Kronwall? Byfuglien(or whatever) could have been called for interference on the play they assume took Lidstrom out.No call.
    That hit was/is more potentially harmful to the Wings than the hit on Havlat is to Chicago bec. Havlat played
    game 4.
    Oh well,Hawks blew a great chance today.Not taking advantage of Wing injuries.
    Bye bye Chicago.
    "They don't give a shit Keith Moon is dead,
    is that exactly what I thought I read."
  • patrickredeyes
    patrickredeyes Posts: 8,834
    letsongsprotest wrote:
    Nice Blackhawks.

    I know that you're outmatched and outclassed, but way to goon it up today.

    Dont worry, only 1 more game and you're out of your misery.

    GO WINGS!!



    :D
  • Songburst
    Songburst Posts: 1,195
    RoughMix wrote:
    Interference is based on puck possession,but the hit must happen immediately after the puck is gone.
    In the Hudler case the hit was late.
    I said in the Kronwall hit,this stuff happens all the time but is never called.Now all hits aren't as devastating as this one was. Which is partly why the call was made.Why not only 2 minutes for interference on Kronwall? Byfuglien(or whatever) could have been called for interference on the play they assume took Lidstrom out.No call.
    That hit was/is more potentially harmful to the Wings than the hit on Havlat is to Chicago bec. Havlat played
    game 4.
    Oh well,Hawks blew a great chance today.Not taking advantage of Wing injuries.
    Bye bye Chicago.
    Officially you have possession of the puck until somebody else takes possession of it. That is why you keep your head up when you make a pass. The hit on Hudler was not late at all (not even a millisecond) because the puck was still en route to it's target when he got destroyed.

    Missed the game entirely today -- lousy afternoon games should be banned.
    1/12/1879, 4/8/1156, 2/6/1977, who gives a shit, ...
  • patrickredeyes
    patrickredeyes Posts: 8,834
    Songburst wrote:
    RoughMix wrote:
    Interference is based on puck possession,but the hit must happen immediately after the puck is gone.
    In the Hudler case the hit was late.
    I said in the Kronwall hit,this stuff happens all the time but is never called.Now all hits aren't as devastating as this one was. Which is partly why the call was made.Why not only 2 minutes for interference on Kronwall? Byfuglien(or whatever) could have been called for interference on the play they assume took Lidstrom out.No call.
    That hit was/is more potentially harmful to the Wings than the hit on Havlat is to Chicago bec. Havlat played
    game 4.
    Oh well,Hawks blew a great chance today.Not taking advantage of Wing injuries.
    Bye bye Chicago.
    Officially you have possession of the puck until somebody else takes possession of it. That is why you keep your head up when you make a pass. The hit on Hudler was not late at all (not even a millisecond) because the puck was still en route to it's target when he got destroyed.

    Missed the game entirely today -- lousy afternoon games should be banned.


    Here's what you missed. :)
    http://espn.go.com/nhl/playoffs/2009/ma ... blackhawks

    Go Red Wings!!!
  • RoughMix
    RoughMix back of a lorry Posts: 385
    Songburst wrote:
    RoughMix wrote:
    Interference is based on puck possession,but the hit must happen immediately after the puck is gone.
    In the Hudler case the hit was late.
    I said in the Kronwall hit,this stuff happens all the time but is never called.Now all hits aren't as devastating as this one was. Which is partly why the call was made.Why not only 2 minutes for interference on Kronwall? Byfuglien(or whatever) could have been called for interference on the play they assume took Lidstrom out.No call.
    That hit was/is more potentially harmful to the Wings than the hit on Havlat is to Chicago bec. Havlat played
    game 4.
    Oh well,Hawks blew a great chance today.Not taking advantage of Wing injuries.
    Bye bye Chicago.
    Officially you have possession of the puck until somebody else takes possession of it. That is why you keep your head up when you make a pass. The hit on Hudler was not late at all (not even a millisecond) because the puck was still en route to it's target when he got destroyed.

    Missed the game entirely today -- lousy afternoon games should be banned.

    Okay by your theory someone can shoot the puck from their own end into the opposing end and even though no one touches it until the opposing goaltender 180 feet away that player can still be hit.
    I don't think so.
    Hudler was hit at least 2 seconds after the puck left his stick.Not one thousandth of a second.
    One thing I do agree with you on,afternoon games do suck.
    You need a dvr or one of them there old fashioned vcr thingies.
    That's what I do.
    "They don't give a shit Keith Moon is dead,
    is that exactly what I thought I read."
  • Songburst
    Songburst Posts: 1,195
    RoughMix wrote:

    Okay by your theory someone can shoot the puck from their own end into the opposing end and even though no one touches it until the opposing goaltender 180 feet away that player can still be hit.
    I don't think so.
    Hudler was hit at least 2 seconds after the puck left his stick.Not one thousandth of a second.
    One thing I do agree with you on,afternoon games do suck.
    You need a dvr or one of them there old fashioned vcr thingies.
    That's what I do.
    I would never waste HD space on a Wings game - gotta save room for American Idol reruns. Plus players usually float through afternoon games playoffs or not - so no interest in watching an afternoon game.

    Anyway, about the interference, look up Rule 56 in the official rule book.

    Here is an excerpt:

    Possession of the Puck:

    The last player to touch the puck, other than the goalkeeper, shall be considered the player in possession. The player deemed in possession of the puck may be checked legally, provided the check is rendered immediately following his loss of possession.

    So ya -- legally if someone shoots the puck down the ice, they can be hit until someone else touches the puck.

    I gave Milarso shit for quoting the rulebook at me back when Hudler got hit, but I'm actually glad that he did -- I thought that puck possession was determined at the referee's discretion.
    1/12/1879, 4/8/1156, 2/6/1977, who gives a shit, ...
  • Songburst
    Songburst Posts: 1,195
    patrickredeyes wrote:
    Songburst wrote:
    RoughMix wrote:
    Interference is based on puck possession,but the hit must happen immediately after the puck is gone.
    In the Hudler case the hit was late.
    I said in the Kronwall hit,this stuff happens all the time but is never called.Now all hits aren't as devastating as this one was. Which is partly why the call was made.Why not only 2 minutes for interference on Kronwall? Byfuglien(or whatever) could have been called for interference on the play they assume took Lidstrom out.No call.
    That hit was/is more potentially harmful to the Wings than the hit on Havlat is to Chicago bec. Havlat played
    game 4.
    Oh well,Hawks blew a great chance today.Not taking advantage of Wing injuries.
    Bye bye Chicago.
    Officially you have possession of the puck until somebody else takes possession of it. That is why you keep your head up when you make a pass. The hit on Hudler was not late at all (not even a millisecond) because the puck was still en route to it's target when he got destroyed.

    Missed the game entirely today -- lousy afternoon games should be banned.


    Here's what you missed. :)
    http://espn.go.com/nhl/playoffs/2009/ma ... blackhawks

    Go Red Wings!!!

    I'll bet that it was a real treat to watch that game. Afternoon game. One team shows up to play. Hopefully the Pens can inject some life into the Wings games next round. Every single Pens game has been amazing to watch so far in these playoffs. Hopefully they can push the Wings enough that they have to play with some creativity (they have the talent to play an entertaining style, you know) instead of just playing their run of mill puck possession game.
    1/12/1879, 4/8/1156, 2/6/1977, who gives a shit, ...
  • milarso
    milarso Posts: 1,280
    Songburst wrote:
    I'll bet that it was a real treat to watch that game. Afternoon game. One team shows up to play. Hopefully the Pens can inject some life into the Wings games next round. Every single Pens game has been amazing to watch so far in these playoffs. Hopefully they can push the Wings enough that they have to play with some creativity (they have the talent to play an entertaining style, you know) instead of just playing their run of mill puck possession game.

    Yeah, just like last year, when the Wings dominated in five games.
    Ho hum.
    "The dude abides. I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that. It's good knowin' he's out there. The Dude. Takin' her easy for all us sinners."
  • letsongsprotest
    letsongsprotest Novi, MI Posts: 552
    I love how one of the intermission stories on NBC yesterday was "are the pens destined to win the cup?"

    WTF? Get off your knees and step away from Crosby please.
    There's a trapdoor in the sun.
  • greenmanny
    greenmanny Posts: 766
    letsongsprotest wrote:
    WTF? Get off your knees and step away from Crosby please.

    Nice. I'm glad someone finally said this.
  • RoughMix
    RoughMix back of a lorry Posts: 385
    Songburst wrote:
    RoughMix wrote:

    Okay by your theory someone can shoot the puck from their own end into the opposing end and even though no one touches it until the opposing goaltender 180 feet away that player can still be hit.
    I don't think so.
    Hudler was hit at least 2 seconds after the puck left his stick.Not one thousandth of a second.
    One thing I do agree with you on,afternoon games do suck.
    You need a dvr or one of them there old fashioned vcr thingies.
    That's what I do.
    I would never waste HD space on a Wings game - gotta save room for American Idol reruns. Plus players usually float through afternoon games playoffs or not - so no interest in watching an afternoon game.

    Anyway, about the interference, look up Rule 56 in the official rule book.

    Here is an excerpt:

    Possession of the Puck:

    The last player to touch the puck, other than the goalkeeper, shall be considered the player in possession. The player deemed in possession of the puck may be checked legally, provided the check is rendered immediately following his loss of possession.

    So ya -- legally if someone shoots the puck down the ice, they can be hit until someone else touches the puck.

    I gave Milarso shit for quoting the rulebook at me back when Hudler got hit, but I'm actually glad that he did -- I thought that puck possession was determined at the referee's discretion.

    No Songburst,they can't be hit if they shoot the puck down the ice like I said because the rule clearly states:
    "provided the check is rendered IMMEDIATELY following his loss of possession".

    Back to the Kronwall hit,If Havlat gets up after that hit there is no penalty.
    Anyway the Kronwall hit played a major part in Sunday's victory bec. the hawks were running around trying to dish out some form of retribution and only made trips to the box.
    Gotta watch that playoff hockey,have some dignity,man.
    "They don't give a shit Keith Moon is dead,
    is that exactly what I thought I read."
  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    letsongsprotest wrote:
    I love how one of the intermission stories on NBC yesterday was "are the pens destined to win the cup?"

    WTF? Get off your knees and step away from Crosby please.
    +1
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • Songburst
    Songburst Posts: 1,195
    RoughMix wrote:
    No Songburst,they can't be hit if they shoot the puck down the ice like I said because the rule clearly states:
    "provided the check is rendered IMMEDIATELY following his loss of possession".

    Back to the Kronwall hit,If Havlat gets up after that hit there is no penalty.
    Anyway the Kronwall hit played a major part in Sunday's victory bec. the hawks were running around trying to dish out some form of retribution and only made trips to the box.
    Gotta watch that playoff hockey,have some dignity,man.
    I actually asked my buddy who is a high-level referee about this because the loss of possession statement seems a little vague. He said that the only way that a player loses possession is by somebody else gaining possession which means that the last person to touch the puck is the player who has possession of the puck. That also means that I can shoot the puck around the rink and somebody could legally check me immediately after somebody else picks up the puck. Possession is not typically called that way (think of all of the "late" hits that have been called that don't adhere to this interpretation) but that is the way that it is supposed to be.

    Kronwall would have got 2 minutes if Havlat got up. Chicago should know that running around for retribution against the Wings is dumb because those Wing gloves are cemented on and they don't ever retaliate with stickwork or punches or anything. If that is really what the Hawks did, then they deserved to lose. Are you sure that they didn't start running around once the game was out of reach? That would be expected.
    1/12/1879, 4/8/1156, 2/6/1977, who gives a shit, ...
  • Songburst
    Songburst Posts: 1,195
    milarso wrote:
    Songburst wrote:
    I'll bet that it was a real treat to watch that game. Afternoon game. One team shows up to play. Hopefully the Pens can inject some life into the Wings games next round. Every single Pens game has been amazing to watch so far in these playoffs. Hopefully they can push the Wings enough that they have to play with some creativity (they have the talent to play an entertaining style, you know) instead of just playing their run of mill puck possession game.

    Yeah, just like last year, when the Wings dominated in five games.
    Ho hum.
    Lol -- a couple of guys in my office came in today and asked me if I watched the "shit hockey game" on Sunday.

    The Pens are a much better team than the one the Wings faced last year. They have the talent to force Detroit to use the middle of the ice and maybe generate some excitement at least.
    1/12/1879, 4/8/1156, 2/6/1977, who gives a shit, ...
  • RoughMix
    RoughMix back of a lorry Posts: 385
    Songburst wrote:
    RoughMix wrote:
    No Songburst,they can't be hit if they shoot the puck down the ice like I said because the rule clearly states:
    "provided the check is rendered IMMEDIATELY following his loss of possession".

    Back to the Kronwall hit,If Havlat gets up after that hit there is no penalty.
    Anyway the Kronwall hit played a major part in Sunday's victory bec. the hawks were running around trying to dish out some form of retribution and only made trips to the box.
    Gotta watch that playoff hockey,have some dignity,man.
    I actually asked my buddy who is a high-level referee about this because the loss of possession statement seems a little vague. He said that the only way that a player loses possession is by somebody else gaining possession which means that the last person to touch the puck is the player who has possession of the puck. That also means that I can shoot the puck around the rink and somebody could legally check me immediately after somebody else picks up the puck. Possession is not typically called that way (think of all of the "late" hits that have been called that don't adhere to this interpretation) but that is the way that it is supposed to be.

    Kronwall would have got 2 minutes if Havlat got up. Chicago should know that running around for retribution against the Wings is dumb because those Wing gloves are cemented on and they don't ever retaliate with stickwork or punches or anything. If that is really what the Hawks did, then they deserved to lose. Are you sure that they didn't start running around once the game was out of reach? That would be expected.
    Hawks came out hard but a little reckless trying to set a tone.
    Although they survived the first period power plays from the Wings,When Quenville lost it after the shit call on Walker,he lost his team also.
    I mean he flipped out on the refs.
    In the middle of the second,Versteeg and Walker took needless,careless penalties.Zetterberg scored and it was over.
    http://www.nhl.com/ice/boxscore.htm?id=2008030324
    I do wish the Wings would drop the gloves more,Franzen is 6'3" for cripes sake.
    And Stuart is a good size also.
    Least fighting majors in the league :roll:
    The interference rule is strange to be sure.
    I think you are correct in that the Pens are much better than last year.
    You have to lose to know how to win.
    If Wings vs.Pens comes to fruition I expect 7 games.
    "They don't give a shit Keith Moon is dead,
    is that exactly what I thought I read."
  • RoughMix
    RoughMix back of a lorry Posts: 385
    http://cmsimg.detnews.com/apps/pbcsi.dl ... ofile=1128

    Goodnight
    "They don't give a shit Keith Moon is dead,
    is that exactly what I thought I read."
  • milarso
    milarso Posts: 1,280
    RoughMix wrote:
    If Wings vs.Pens comes to fruition I expect 7 games.

    Never in a million years does that series go seven.

    Best play of game four- Versteeg grabbing Kronwall's sweater, ready to fight, and Nick just smiling like he just won the effing Cup. No need to fight when you don't need to prove anything.
    "The dude abides. I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that. It's good knowin' he's out there. The Dude. Takin' her easy for all us sinners."
  • milarso
    milarso Posts: 1,280
    Songburst wrote:
    milarso wrote:
    Songburst wrote:
    I'll bet that it was a real treat to watch that game. Afternoon game. One team shows up to play. Hopefully the Pens can inject some life into the Wings games next round. Every single Pens game has been amazing to watch so far in these playoffs. Hopefully they can push the Wings enough that they have to play with some creativity (they have the talent to play an entertaining style, you know) instead of just playing their run of mill puck possession game.

    Yeah, just like last year, when the Wings dominated in five games.
    Ho hum.
    Lol -- a couple of guys in my office came in today and asked me if I watched the "shit hockey game" on Sunday.

    The Pens are a much better team than the one the Wings faced last year. They have the talent to force Detroit to use the middle of the ice and maybe generate some excitement at least.


    Crosby and Malkin are peaking right now, so that makes the Pens dangerous. But a better team as a whole? Doubtful. They have to guys- who are arguably the two best players in the league- playing the best hockey of their pro careers right now. But they are not a better team. Two great players? Yes. A better team? No. Watch the Finals and watch a real TEAM, beat two great players. They might go six this year. But Wings win. They, regardless of how "boring" they are. Are a better team.
    "The dude abides. I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that. It's good knowin' he's out there. The Dude. Takin' her easy for all us sinners."
  • Horos
    Horos Posts: 4,518
    milarso wrote:
    Crosby and Malkin are peaking right now, so that makes the Pens dangerous. But a better team as a whole? Doubtful. They have to guys- who are arguably the two best players in the league- playing the best hockey of their pro careers right now. But they are not a better team. Two great players? Yes. A better team? No. Watch the Finals and watch a real TEAM, beat two great players. They might go six this year. But Wings win. They, regardless of how "boring" they are. Are a better team.
    The Wings may be the better team but the better team doesn't always win. And I think you're right no way it goes 7 Pens win in 5.
    #FHP

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