The new 'I f***in' feeel like talking about 'Riot Act' thread.

nowayimfaithfull

danny72688 wrote:

Lyrically darkest - Ten
Musically darkest - Vitalogy

Riot Act is like a lukewarm of those two in my opinion. Probably shouldn't have cut in, but I saw everyone talking about how the album was dark and threw in my two cents.

well that makes more sense than riot act

nowayimfaithfull

BlkFlg wrote:

sorry, but this thread has gotten insane!

HEHEHE and you started all of it and bailed.

What is Yield thread turning you into a cia agent spy hunter.

Yes I am insane. I love it though.

yosi1

Just thought I'd say I love Ten, Vs, Vitalogy, No Code, Yield, Binaural, Riot Act, Lost Dogs, and Pearl Jam with my 3,000th post.

yosi1

Have a goodnight all.



Mets all the way!

RockKing

nowayimfaithfull wrote:

You always have a sound, dont know how to describe it but its kinda like the albums.

Its not as out in the air or opinionated as you and others make it.

Most of early pearl jam and much of their material sounds dark/gloomy, not up beat is because they write it that way.

They may play alive, or black like a classic zeppelin or bluesy song but the instruments are tuned like a buzzcocks punk song.
This is what grunge is:
The fusing togehter of mainstream structured rock/ with punk tuning and off timing.

Light Years is a perfcet example
It has its moments of rock, and solos and the structure of a classic rock song but
the timing is off beat, and the chord selection is minor.
they are are traits in punk music
If they changed the beat to a more 4/4/ on time beat and used major chords the song wouldnt have that sad drag to it. Like the demo.

you are is tuned way diferant than anything else they have done, sounds almost like a dance song.

On Riot Act they broke alot of their rules.

It is more upbeat, rocking and less dark chord and timing wise.

It should have been called No Code

Just for the record, Light Years is in 4/4 timing and Alive and Black are in standard tuning the same way probably 70% of the songs out there are. You Are, while I believe it's in an open C tuning, doesn't sound the way it does because of its tuning, it's because the guitar was run through a drum machine to give it the delay/staccato effects. The tuning of a guitar doesn't affect the sound of the tone near as much as the effects that are used. The biggest way to affect the feel of a song is still chord selection. Open chords, bar chords, major/minor, 5ths, 7ths, etc. These have a much greater impact on the relative sound/feel than just the tuning of the strings.

You are right that Riot Act definitely has a different feel than any other PJ album, I just wanted to point out that some of your reasons stated were innacurate.

nowayimfaithfull

RockKing wrote:

Just for the record, Light Years is in 4/4 timing and Alive and Black are in standard tuning the same way probably 70% of the songs out there are. You Are, while I believe it's in an open C tuning, doesn't sound the way it does because of its tuning, it's because the guitar was run through a drum machine to give it the delay/staccato effects. The tuning of a guitar doesn't affect the sound of the tone near as much as the effects that are used. The biggest way to affect the feel of a song is still chord selection. Open chords, bar chords, major/minor, 5ths, 7ths, etc. These have a much greater impact on the relative sound/feel than just the tuning of the strings.

You are right that Riot Act definitely has a different feel than any other PJ album, I just wanted to point out that some of your reasons stated were innacurate.

you dont think most of the music on ten is off timed
and light years has a slow sound to it
including eds key
and chord selection has alot to do with it also

nowayimfaithfull

you are stating that 70 percent of pjs music is in standard tuning

i am not a guitar player, i am basing this on stuff i have read thru this website and in the early articles on grunge

i gues its all bullshit like alot of eds stories.

also i just listened to light years, if that is standard they revolutinized that term

there is actually a show where ed starts changing the tuning on his guitar refering to the seattle sound vs others

prytocorduroy

nowayimfaithfull wrote:

you are stating that 70 percent of pjs music is in standard tuning

I play bass and seriously, every song I know by PJ is either standard or Drop-D. I know Daughter is a weird tuning for guitar, but I think they're typically standard. You Are as noted above is in C or C#, don't remember.

Jumped in again sorry Ignore this if it's out of context.

nowayimfaithfull

danny72688 wrote:

I play bass and seriously, every song I know by PJ is either standard or Drop-D. I know Daughter is a weird tuning for guitar, but I think they're typically standard. You Are as noted above is in C or C#, don't remember.

Jumped in again sorry Ignore this if it's out of context.

i guess most of the stuff the band says is bullshit, i mean honestly most of it is when it comes to the origins of their songs, and where they get ideas from.

I will say this there is alot of arguing over the 4/4 drumming everyone talks about matt for having, and honestly i know a few great drummers and they laugh at those comments.
they say he is everyhting but

so who the fuck knows

naked ear can tell you ten thru vitology albums have a way diferant sound than riot act.

THERE IS NO WAY EVEN WITH A GUN TO MY HEAD I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT NOT BEING TRUTH

and the songs that I listed have diferant chord selections, i obviously was misled with my reading and listening to ed talk up changing the way they tune their guitars.

so for the record

blood/rats/deep/ are in standard tuning

prytocorduroy

nowayimfaithfull wrote:

i guess most of the stuff the band says is bullshit, i mean honestly most of it is when it comes to the origins of their songs, and where they get ideas from.

I will say this there is alot of arguing over the 4/4 drumming everyone talks about matt for having, and honestly i know a few great drummers and they laugh at those comments.
they say he is everyhting but

so who the fuck knows

naked ear can tell you ten thru vitology albums have a way diferant sound than riot act.

THERE IS NO WAY EVEN WITH A GUN TO MY HEAD I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT NOT BEING TRUTH

and the songs that I listed have diferant chord selections, i obviously was misled with my reading and listening to ed talk up changing the way they tune their guitars.

so for the record

blood/rats/deep/ are in standard tuning

Yeah I know those three, standard.
Don't forget Mike and Stone don't always tune together, another unique and special element of this band

About your Ten through Vitalogy sounding different than Riot Act though they're in the same tuning (for the most part), look at this. Since I just found out yesterday you like Iron Maiden, compare The Number of the Beast to Powerslave. Those albums have a completely different feel and sound but are tuned the same.

nowayimfaithfull

danny72688 wrote:

I play bass and seriously, every song I know by PJ is either standard or Drop-D. I know Daughter is a weird tuning for guitar, but I think they're typically standard. You Are as noted above is in C or C#, don't remember.

Jumped in again sorry Ignore this if it's out of context.

well i was just talking to nick who plays guitar and he says more most of ten is not in standard tuning

alas if light years is in 4/4 matt does a good job making it sound diferant.



it is not a standard 4/4 beat like in cant keep or breakerfall

prytocorduroy

nowayimfaithfull wrote:

well i was just talking to nick who plays guitar and he says more most of ten is not in standard tuning

alas if light years is in 4/4 matt does a good job making it sound diferant.



it is not a standard 4/4 beat like in cant keep or breakerfall

I play bass remember Disregard what I'm saying if it's wrong. But Jeff usually tunes to one of the guitars, so maybe I'm half right?

nowayimfaithfull

danny72688 wrote:

Yeah I know those three, standard.
Don't forget Mike and Stone don't always tune together, another unique and special element of this band

About your Ten through Vitalogy sounding different than Riot Act though they're in the same tuning (for the most part), look at this. Since I just found out yesterday you like Iron Maiden, compare The Number of the Beast to Powerslave. Those albums have a completely different feel and sound but are tuned the same.

well if mike and stone dont tune togheter than what makes it one way over the other

on riot act hey sound the same most of the album

ten and vs they are way diferant, nick said mikes solos are standard but stones rythums are not

which was my fucking point

i said riot act lacked stones 3 chord rifs and diferant tuning

prytocorduroy

nowayimfaithfull wrote:

well if mike and stone dont tune togheter than what makes it one way over the other

on riot act hey sound the same most of the album

ten and vs they are way diferant, nick said mikes solos are standard but stones rythums are not

which was my fucking point

i said riot act lacked stones 3 chord rifs and diferant tuning

This is why I need to stop jumping in
This bass player doesn't know much about guitar so I'm done here.
Did he mention if Stone was playing Drop-D? That's standard except your E string is in the key of D.

nowayimfaithfull

danny72688 wrote:

Yeah I know those three, standard.
Don't forget Mike and Stone don't always tune together, another unique and special element of this band

About your Ten through Vitalogy sounding different than Riot Act though they're in the same tuning (for the most part), look at this. Since I just found out yesterday you like Iron Maiden, compare The Number of the Beast to Powerslave. Those albums have a completely different feel and sound but are tuned the same.

im comparring the constant buzz generic sound on get right
help help
ghost
obviously you are is differant
crop duster has a diferant sound to the rifs also
i didnt say it was a metal album
im not fucking stupid

this shit happens on hear all the time, we start talking about something for more than a post and everthing gets taken out of context
you never see any real drawn out posts on music ever in hear,

Its always bashing

my whole point was to explain why riot act was differant, and i gathered most of my points from listening vs reading articles the band talked about writing riot act

thats it
and i get all these differant facts

nowayimfaithfull

danny72688 wrote:

This is why I need to stop jumping in
This bass player doesn't know much about guitar so I'm done here.
Did he mention if Stone was playing Drop-D? That's standard except your E string is in the key of D.

His exact words were are you kidding me, maybee mikes solos are.
and i dont know im not a guitar player
honestly nor do i care, i just like talking pj music verses release unplugged or where do we live shit

prytocorduroy

nowayimfaithfull wrote:

im comparring the constant buzz generic sound on get right
help help
ghost
obviously you are is differant
crop duster has a diferant sound to the rifs also

You also have to factor in any pedals used during the recording, or playing the instrument abnormally (palm muting, scraping, etc.).

nowayimfaithfull wrote:

i didnt say it was a metal album
im not fucking stupid

I guess Iron Maiden was a bad analogy?

nowayimfaithfull wrote:

this shit happens on hear all the time, we start talking about something for more than a post and everthing gets taken out of context
you never see any real drawn out posts on music ever in hear,

Its always bashing

Was I bashing you? If so I'm sorry.

nowayimfaithfull wrote:

my whole point was to explain why riot act was differant, and i gathered most of my points from listening vs reading articles the band talked about writing riot act

thats it
and i get all these differant facts

I think the key of the songs is what makes the album sound different.

prytocorduroy

nowayimfaithfull wrote:

His exact words were are you kidding me, maybee mikes solos are.
and i dont know im not a guitar player
honestly nor do i care, i just like talking pj music verses release unplugged or where do we live shit

Well nevermind the guitar tuning. I'm talking out of my ass apparently. Jeff is standard almost all the time and I assumed he tuned with Stone.

nowayimfaithfull

there was actually a tape back in like 93 vhs i believe

learn how to play like pearl jam

and i remeber them talking up how they tuned there guitars differant

this is why i talk that sound up

in the five against 1 book it goes onto say
grunge was mainstream arena rock/ punk chords and tuning
like the buzzcocks primaraly w/pearl jam

now how that transpires to basic or standard comparred to blues/metal
to my point being about the sound of their songs being heavy or dark comparred to riot act

alot of people talk about riot act and binaurul as being heavy

i just dont see it

nowayimfaithfull

dude im not that fragile i know you are not bashing me

yes nick said the keyt is off, and a choir singer once mentioned to me that eds singing is very something
referring to they key
but i forget
and i have never really read anything about the key ed sings in so i didnt bring that up

and if they key leads more to the songs creating the sound we are talking up

than all of these super techniacl scientists or whatever should understand our points
we are just fans listening to what the band feeds us

and its not like i said riot act sounds like nickleback
but one would have thought after reading the replies made back

If there is this much diferant stuff going on in their basic songs
standard just doesnt seem to fit