What is it like to be attractive?

South of Seattle

soulsinging wrote:

Kenny Olav wrote:

So if Eddie Vedder looked like Geddy Lee how many of us would be here?

Or, for a better comparison, what if he looked like Mark Lanegan? One interestin thing the big 3 Seattle bands all had in common (nirvana, soundgarden, pj) was a handsome and incredibly charismatic lead singer. Screaming Trees, Candlebox, Mudhoney... the ones that actually looked like scruffy northwestern lumberjacks... all disappeared pretty quick.

I don't think Cobain would really be considered attractive would he? I think he was just an enigma and odd personality.

in_hiding79

Kenny Olav wrote:

So if Eddie Vedder looked like Geddy Lee how many of us would be here?

It's all about the music... :!:

PJGARDEN

soulsinging wrote:

Kenny Olav wrote:

So if Eddie Vedder looked like Geddy Lee how many of us would be here?

Or, for a better comparison, what if he looked like Mark Lanegan? One interestin thing the big 3 Seattle bands all had in common (nirvana, soundgarden, pj) was a handsome and incredibly charismatic lead singer. Screaming Trees, Candlebox, Mudhoney... the ones that actually looked like scruffy northwestern lumberjacks... all disappeared pretty quick.

Well first of all, I for one think Mark Lanegan is sexy as hell. But what about AIC?? I don't think Layne was that great looking but they made it. I really don't think the reason these bands were big was b/c their good looking lead singers. Charisma maybe but I don't think looks had much to do with it. People loved the music b/c they felt they could relate. If it was about the "look'" I don't think the music would have meant as much to people as it did.

soulsinging

PJGARDEN wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Kenny Olav wrote:

So if Eddie Vedder looked like Geddy Lee how many of us would be here?

Or, for a better comparison, what if he looked like Mark Lanegan? One interestin thing the big 3 Seattle bands all had in common (nirvana, soundgarden, pj) was a handsome and incredibly charismatic lead singer. Screaming Trees, Candlebox, Mudhoney... the ones that actually looked like scruffy northwestern lumberjacks... all disappeared pretty quick.

Well first of all, I for one think Mark Lanegan is sexy as hell. But what about AIC?? I don't think Layne was that great looking but they made it. I really don't think the reason these bands were big was b/c their good looking lead singers. Charisma maybe but I don't think looks had much to do with it. People loved the music b/c they felt they could relate. If it was about the "look'" I don't think the music would have meant as much to people as it did.

Bullshit. It's all tied together. Grunge fashion was all the rage in those days... everyone buying flannel and boots to look like Ed. If you think he wasn't hanging up in lockers all over the country the way junior high girls now have the Jonas Brothers or that guy from the Twilight movie then you're mistaken. Yes, those guys had success and plenty of other bands did too. But PJ outsold them all. And I can assure you that the fact that he had good looks to go with those golden pipes didn't hurt them any. You have to have talent to back it up and sustain it (lookin at you Gavin Rossdale), but Ed was a teen idol. Period.

Also, in 10-15 years some of these emo bands will have survived and their fans will be on holograph boards having saying the same things about their favorites... Fall Out Boy was never tied to image or being cute! It was all about how the music resonated with us!

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soulsinging wrote:

Bullshit. It's all tied together. Grunge fashion was all the rage in those days... everyone buying flannel and boots to look like Ed. If you think he wasn't hanging up in lockers all over the country the way junior high girls now have the Jonas Brothers or that guy from the Twilight movie then you're mistaken. Yes, those guys had success and plenty of other bands did too. But PJ outsold them all. And I can assure you that the fact that he had good looks to go with those golden pipes didn't hurt them any. You have to have talent to back it up and sustain it (lookin at you Gavin Rossdale), but Ed was a teen idol. Period.

Also, in 10-15 years some of these emo bands will have survived and their fans will be on holograph boards having saying the same things about their favorites... Fall Out Boy was never tied to image or being cute! It was all about how the music resonated with us!

"Image" - such as the grunge look - is different than "being cute".

PJGARDEN

soulsinging wrote:

PJGARDEN wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Or, for a better comparison, what if he looked like Mark Lanegan? One interestin thing the big 3 Seattle bands all had in common (nirvana, soundgarden, pj) was a handsome and incredibly charismatic lead singer. Screaming Trees, Candlebox, Mudhoney... the ones that actually looked like scruffy northwestern lumberjacks... all disappeared pretty quick.

Well first of all, I for one think Mark Lanegan is sexy as hell. But what about AIC?? I don't think Layne was that great looking but they made it. I really don't think the reason these bands were big was b/c their good looking lead singers. Charisma maybe but I don't think looks had much to do with it. People loved the music b/c they felt they could relate. If it was about the "look'" I don't think the music would have meant as much to people as it did.

Bullshit. It's all tied together. Grunge fashion was all the rage in those days... everyone buying flannel and boots to look like Ed. If you think he wasn't hanging up in lockers all over the country the way junior high girls now have the Jonas Brothers or that guy from the Twilight movie then you're mistaken. Yes, those guys had success and plenty of other bands did too. But PJ outsold them all. And I can assure you that the fact that he had good looks to go with those golden pipes didn't hurt them any. You have to have talent to back it up and sustain it (lookin at you Gavin Rossdale), but Ed was a teen idol. Period.

Also, in 10-15 years some of these emo bands will have survived and their fans will be on holograph boards having saying the same things about their favorites... Fall Out Boy was never tied to image or being cute! It was all about how the music resonated with us!

I still don't think they're looks had much to do with the success. Cobain wasn't all that great looking and I don't think Vedder had/ has jaw dropping good looks either. Both were decent looking but very normal looking guys. Cornell is very good looking but with that voice he would have made it regardless. Like I said, I think they're charisma had a lot to do with their success but that has nothing to do with looks. The most charismatic people I have ever met were not all that good looking.

soulsinging

scb wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Bullshit. It's all tied together. Grunge fashion was all the rage in those days... everyone buying flannel and boots to look like Ed. If you think he wasn't hanging up in lockers all over the country the way junior high girls now have the Jonas Brothers or that guy from the Twilight movie then you're mistaken. Yes, those guys had success and plenty of other bands did too. But PJ outsold them all. And I can assure you that the fact that he had good looks to go with those golden pipes didn't hurt them any. You have to have talent to back it up and sustain it (lookin at you Gavin Rossdale), but Ed was a teen idol. Period.

Also, in 10-15 years some of these emo bands will have survived and their fans will be on holograph boards having saying the same things about their favorites... Fall Out Boy was never tied to image or being cute! It was all about how the music resonated with us!

"Image" - such as the grunge look - is different than "being cute".

Indeed it is. But regardless of that, society looks to the beautiful to set fashion. Ed was a teen idol, you can't deny it. He never played up to it or was comfortable with it, but there's a reason Weird Al wrote that song about his gf being in love with Ed... NOT Mark Lanegan. Grunge was hot, Ed's picture was everywhere, including the trapper keepers of the early 90s teeny-boppers, and grunge fashion took off. PJ outsold every other band by miles, and Ed was a big part of that... if he looked like this guy:

http://ogami.subpop.com/history/tad/tad-press1.gif

No way does PJ sell half as many albums or reach anywhere near the level of popularity they did.

Dylan Stone

South of Seattle wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Kenny Olav wrote:

So if Eddie Vedder looked like Geddy Lee how many of us would be here?

Or, for a better comparison, what if he looked like Mark Lanegan? One interestin thing the big 3 Seattle bands all had in common (nirvana, soundgarden, pj) was a handsome and incredibly charismatic lead singer. Screaming Trees, Candlebox, Mudhoney... the ones that actually looked like scruffy northwestern lumberjacks... all disappeared pretty quick.

I don't think Cobain would really be considered attractive would he? I think he was just an enigma and odd personality.

No... I wasn't even really "into" Nirvana... and i always... from like the first time i saw those piercing eyes...i always thought Kurt was beautiful (just usually would have benefitted from a little clean up )

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soulsinging wrote:

Indeed it is. But regardless of that, society looks to the beautiful to set fashion. Ed was a teen idol, you can't deny it. He never played up to it or was comfortable with it, but there's a reason Weird Al wrote that song about his gf being in love with Ed... NOT Mark Lanegan. Grunge was hot, Ed's picture was everywhere, including the trapper keepers of the early 90s teeny-boppers, and grunge fashion took off. PJ outsold every other band by miles, and Ed was a big part of that... if he looked like this guy:

http://ogami.subpop.com/history/tad/tad-press1.gif

No way does PJ sell half as many albums or reach anywhere near the level of popularity they did.

I'm sorry... have you ever actually HEARD Pearl Jam?? Their music is amazing - in part due to Ed's charisma - so maybe that's why he was a teen idol and had his picture in trapper keepers ( trapper keepers ). I'm not arguing against Ed being hot... I think Weird Al was right to write that song about him. I mean, good god damn he's hot!! (Although, when making that assessment, it's really hard to separate his looks from the other characteristics that make him attractive.) But, as I said before, I didn't even know/remember that about him until relatively recently, so that's certainly not the reason I'm a fan... it's just the icing on the cake.

soulsinging

scb wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

I'm sorry... have you ever actually HEARD Pearl Jam?? Their music is amazing - in part due to Ed's charisma - so maybe that's why he was a teen idol and had his picture in trapper keepers ( trapper keepers ). I'm not arguing against Ed being hot... I think Weird Al was right to write that song about him. I mean, good god damn he's hot!! (Although, when making that assessment, it's really hard to separate his looks from the other characteristics that make him attractive.) But, as I said before, I didn't even know/remember that about him until relatively recently, so that's certainly not the reason I'm a fan... it's just the icing on the cake.

I'm not saying it's the reason you are a fan, I'm saying it's part of the reason why the band outsold every other grunge band by millions and became the biggest band of the 90s. And yes, there's more to it than looks, but those helped. Jeff Tweedy is similar to Ed in terms of personality, but he'll never grace magazines like Ed did, even when Wilco was the it-band in the late 90s. Sex appeal has always gone hand in hand with popular music.

LikeAnOcean

Well, I got my ass grabbed 3 times this weekend.

LikeAnOcean

soulsinging wrote:

scb wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

I'm sorry... have you ever actually HEARD Pearl Jam?? Their music is amazing - in part due to Ed's charisma - so maybe that's why he was a teen idol and had his picture in trapper keepers ( trapper keepers ). I'm not arguing against Ed being hot... I think Weird Al was right to write that song about him. I mean, good god damn he's hot!! (Although, when making that assessment, it's really hard to separate his looks from the other characteristics that make him attractive.) But, as I said before, I didn't even know/remember that about him until relatively recently, so that's certainly not the reason I'm a fan... it's just the icing on the cake.

I'm not saying it's the reason you are a fan, I'm saying it's part of the reason why the band outsold every other grunge band by millions and became the biggest band of the 90s. And yes, there's more to it than looks, but those helped. Jeff Tweedy is similar to Ed in terms of personality, but he'll never grace magazines like Ed did, even when Wilco was the it-band in the late 90s. Sex appeal has always gone hand in hand with popular music.

99.9% of people I know don't even know what Eddie Vedder looks like, but know who Pearl Jam is.

I think you are right to a degree, but not enough.

LikeAnOcean

Great, I just killed another thread!

soulsinging

LikeAnOcean wrote:

99.9% of people I know don't even know what Eddie Vedder looks like, but know who Pearl Jam is.

I think you are right to a degree, but not enough.

I don't know if I believe that. I think if you showed them a picture of him at PinkPop in 92 or something, they'd recognize who he is. Unless they're too young to have grown up then.

stickfig13

Keiran wrote:

I guess the title pretty much says it all.

I'm asking because after seeing everyone's avatars, I think there are some very nice looking folks on this board. And I was just wondering, what is it like to know that other people find you pretty or handsome?

What is it like to know that you have the whole package - an attractive face, an inviting smile, a pleasing looking body? That you are thought of as attractive without having to use your personality, humor, etc. What does it make you feel like when you know someone has only seen you and is thinking "Wow!"

I only ask because I'll never know. I'm one of those people who you find things to like after getting to know me. For example I have nice eyes, and that's about it. Or my personality allows you to overlook or ignore my physical short comings.

I'm sorry if this comes off stupid or superficial, I didn't intend for it to. I guess the question is the result of staring in the mirror a bit too long before showering and an extra glass of wine (or 2).

God... it's so awesome!

I'm seriously the best looking dude I know. Everyday I wake up and look in the mirror and think what would the world do without someone as good looking as me.

LikeAnOcean

soulsinging wrote:

LikeAnOcean wrote:

99.9% of people I know don't even know what Eddie Vedder looks like, but know who Pearl Jam is.

I think you are right to a degree, but not enough.

I don't know if I believe that. I think if you showed them a picture of him at PinkPop in 92 or something, they'd recognize who he is. Unless they're too young to have grown up then.

I suppose. I'm sure his looks helped sell the band.. I still think they would have been pretty big regardless. Maybe not. Maybe they wouldn't have gotten as much promotion.

soulsinging

LikeAnOcean wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

LikeAnOcean wrote:

99.9% of people I know don't even know what Eddie Vedder looks like, but know who Pearl Jam is.

I think you are right to a degree, but not enough.

I don't know if I believe that. I think if you showed them a picture of him at PinkPop in 92 or something, they'd recognize who he is. Unless they're too young to have grown up then.

I suppose. I'm sure his looks helped sell the band.. I still think they would have been pretty big regardless. Maybe not. Maybe they wouldn't have gotten as much promotion.

Probably. Like I said, it wasn't the whole story, but I definitely think the band's success was helped by the fact they they had a very photogenic lead singer who also happened to have a phenomenal voice and great stage presence. The Doors had the same thing... there's no knocking the musicianship or songwriting of the other members of either band, but let's be real, both are defined, in the public eye at least, by their singers... who were both considered incredibly hot in addition to being incredibly talented.

LikeAnOcean

soulsinging wrote:

Probably. Like I said, it wasn't the whole story, but I definitely think the band's success was helped by the fact they they had a very photogenic lead singer who also happened to have a phenomenal voice and great stage presence. The Doors had the same thing... there's no knocking the musicianship or songwriting of the other members of either band, but let's be real, both are defined, in the public eye at least, by their singers... who were both considered incredibly hot in addition to being incredibly talented.

You're right. The more I think about it.. Of course, Tool got pretty big and to this day I don't know what the hell that guy looks like.

Thorns2010

LikeAnOcean wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Probably. Like I said, it wasn't the whole story, but I definitely think the band's success was helped by the fact they they had a very photogenic lead singer who also happened to have a phenomenal voice and great stage presence. The Doors had the same thing... there's no knocking the musicianship or songwriting of the other members of either band, but let's be real, both are defined, in the public eye at least, by their singers... who were both considered incredibly hot in addition to being incredibly talented.

You're right. The more I think about it.. Of course, Tool got pretty big and to this day I don't know what the hell that guy looks like.

While Tool is a good band, and were/are 'big' They have come no where near the heights of the 'grunge' bands, let alone Pearl Jam.

LikeAnOcean

Thorns2010 wrote:

LikeAnOcean wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Probably. Like I said, it wasn't the whole story, but I definitely think the band's success was helped by the fact they they had a very photogenic lead singer who also happened to have a phenomenal voice and great stage presence. The Doors had the same thing... there's no knocking the musicianship or songwriting of the other members of either band, but let's be real, both are defined, in the public eye at least, by their singers... who were both considered incredibly hot in addition to being incredibly talented.

You're right. The more I think about it.. Of course, Tool got pretty big and to this day I don't know what the hell that guy looks like.

While Tool is a good band, and were/are 'big' They have come no where near the heights of the 'grunge' bands, let alone Pearl Jam.

suppose.. sucks they sell better now though.