*****The Official 2009 Philadelphia Eagles Thread*****

petrocs

Oh...and I want to make another point...

9/13/09 @CAR W 4-5
9/20/09 NO L 9-0
9/27/09 KC W 2-7
BYE
10/11/09 TB W 1-8
10/18/09 @OAK L 2-7
10/26/09 @WAS W 3-6
11/1/09 NYG W 5-4
11/8/09 DAL L 6-3
11/15/09 @SD L 6-3

The beat 1 team about .500! they've lost to good teams AND a terrible team.

Jearlpam0925

petrocs wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

This team is riddled with injuries and other miscellanea of crap. You're not going to win when you throw the ball 55 times, run ELDRA FUCKING BUCKLEY on the 1 inch line instead of handing off to 250+ lbs of Leonard Weaver more than once, and concede to your offensive line that you have no confidence in them and kick field goals all day. Receiving corps is down to 4 receivers with one being incompetent(Reggie Brown), offensive line is thin, a linebacking group that has Gocong in the middle and Moises Fokou at Sam back, secondary has Sheldon Brown absent figuratively, Hanson absent literally, Samuel sucking his thumb, and DMITRI PATTERSON GETTING A MAJORITY OF SNAPS. No, this is not going to end well. Injuries have killed this season. There's no way they only lose two more games.

Then it is up to the GENERAL MANAGER to have compitent backups. Teams have injuries..it happens...but when you have to relie up unused or just plain terrible backups its difficult to field a team. Andy Reid has always been to blame for the teams makeup..give the job up to someone else and let them be responsible and you concentrate on updating that playbook. On a side note and nothing to do with my previous comment..Can you honestly believe we wasted a roster position on Vick?! Use the friggin guy! He comes in to hand off? He looks timid and the plays NEVER WORK.

Vick is here as a favor to the commissioner. I guarantee it.

They did have competent backups. You can't have a roster absolutely staunched with solid backups. Bradley, Gaither, Mays, Curtis, Hanson, Ingram, Gilles, Dunlap, Clemons, Jordan, Westbrook, Abiamiri, Gocong, Shawn Flaming Andrews, Stacy Andrews, Herremans, Peters - these are all solid starters and backups, who for one reason or another have been hurt or done something absolutely dumb that has cost them the duration or a part of the season. That is WAY TOO MANY. You can't expect to win through all this. And, yes, what the Giants did in '07 was a fluke. That does not - and will not - happen every year. Not even every 10 years.

jimed14

Didn't the "I completely give up on the Eagles" comments happen last year as well?

Someone find the 2008 thread ... I swear, someone went on a midseason "I don't care about this team anymore, I don't care if they make the palyoffs" type tirade.

petrocs

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

petrocs wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

This team is riddled with injuries and other miscellanea of crap. You're not going to win when you throw the ball 55 times, run ELDRA FUCKING BUCKLEY on the 1 inch line instead of handing off to 250+ lbs of Leonard Weaver more than once, and concede to your offensive line that you have no confidence in them and kick field goals all day. Receiving corps is down to 4 receivers with one being incompetent(Reggie Brown), offensive line is thin, a linebacking group that has Gocong in the middle and Moises Fokou at Sam back, secondary has Sheldon Brown absent figuratively, Hanson absent literally, Samuel sucking his thumb, and DMITRI PATTERSON GETTING A MAJORITY OF SNAPS. No, this is not going to end well. Injuries have killed this season. There's no way they only lose two more games.

Then it is up to the GENERAL MANAGER to have compitent backups. Teams have injuries..it happens...but when you have to relie up unused or just plain terrible backups its difficult to field a team. Andy Reid has always been to blame for the teams makeup..give the job up to someone else and let them be responsible and you concentrate on updating that playbook. On a side note and nothing to do with my previous comment..Can you honestly believe we wasted a roster position on Vick?! Use the friggin guy! He comes in to hand off? He looks timid and the plays NEVER WORK.

Vick is here as a favor to the commissioner. I guarantee it.

They did have competent backups. You can't have a roster absolutely staunched with solid backups. Bradley, Gaither, Mays, Curtis, Hanson, Ingram, Gilles, Dunlap, Clemons, Jordan, Westbrook, Abiamiri, Gocong, Shawn Flaming Andrews, Stacy Andrews, Herremans, Peters - these are all solid starters and backups, who for one reason or another have been hurt or done something absolutely dumb that has cost them the duration or a part of the season. That is WAY TOO MANY. You can't expect to win through all this. And, yes, what the Giants did in '07 was a fluke. That does not - and will not - happen every year. Not even every 10 years.

But Andy is God on feet! I mean thats what he tries to portray right? He should be able to take me and you and make us a run stopping machine! Yes we had a lot of injuries..but there are still bodies to execute and thats whats they are SUPPOSE to do.

jimed14

Vick was a lottery ticket that didn't pan out. Hoping to trade him in the off season for a nice draft pick.

I can't beleive Eagles fans don't understand that.

petrocs

jimed14 wrote:

Didn't the "I completely give up on the Eagles" comments happen last year as well?

Someone find the 2008 thread ... I swear, someone went on a midseason "I don't care about this team anymore, I don't care if they make the palyoffs" type tirade.

I probably did and it will happen every year until they DO SOMETHING. You cant keep teasing before there are enough blue balls to call foul...I mean you can only grind the prom queen so much before you HAVE to stick it in..and if its not with her its gonna be with someone else...well...I for one am ready for the home run underneath the bleachers..lets go Lurie...get me my home run!

petrocs

jimed14 wrote:

Vick was a lottery ticket that didn't pan out. Hoping to trade him in the off season for a nice draft pick.

I can't beleive Eagles fans don't understand that.

Didnt pan out? Didnt even have a chance to work out. What cant you exactly believe? The guy comes in and hands the ball off and they have no plan to make it a better situation. They havent made the guy look good where he is trade bait in the offseason..as a matter of fact most teams are probably looking at the situation and saying "man this guy hasnt played QB in years..pass" so what exactly dont us "eagles fans" understand..

jimed14

petrocs wrote:

jimed14 wrote:

Didn't the "I completely give up on the Eagles" comments happen last year as well?

Someone find the 2008 thread ... I swear, someone went on a midseason "I don't care about this team anymore, I don't care if they make the palyoffs" type tirade.

I probably did and it will happen every year until they DO SOMETHING. You cant keep teasing before there are enough blue balls to call foul...I mean you can only grind the prom queen so much before you HAVE to stick it in..and if its not with her its gonna be with someone else...well...I for one am ready for the home run underneath the bleachers..lets go Lurie...get me my home run!

It's so tough, I'm an outsider, but I always liked the Eagles.

I think most non-Eagles fans think you guys are way too hard on McNabb ... and about right on Reid. But still, 75 - 85% of the league would gradly trade their situation for the Reid / McNabb duo.

Only a few more years left for McNabb ... might as well run it out with Reid ... who else is going to coach this team? Gruden? Cowher?

petrocs

jimed14 wrote:

petrocs wrote:

jimed14 wrote:

Didn't the "I completely give up on the Eagles" comments happen last year as well?

Someone find the 2008 thread ... I swear, someone went on a midseason "I don't care about this team anymore, I don't care if they make the palyoffs" type tirade.

I probably did and it will happen every year until they DO SOMETHING. You cant keep teasing before there are enough blue balls to call foul...I mean you can only grind the prom queen so much before you HAVE to stick it in..and if its not with her its gonna be with someone else...well...I for one am ready for the home run underneath the bleachers..lets go Lurie...get me my home run!

It's so tough, I'm an outsider, but I always liked the Eagles.

I think most non-Eagles fans think you guys are way too hard on McNabb ... and about right on Reid. But still, 75 - 85% of the league would gradly trade their situation for the Reid / McNabb duo.

Only a few more years left for McNabb ... might as well run it out with Reid ... who else is going to coach this team? Gruden? Cowher?

I'll take either or Shannahan or some new coordinator with his dick hard for the run..lets do it!

jimed14

petrocs wrote:

jimed14 wrote:

Vick was a lottery ticket that didn't pan out. Hoping to trade him in the off season for a nice draft pick.

I can't beleive Eagles fans don't understand that.

Didnt pan out? Didnt even have a chance to work out. What cant you exactly believe? The guy comes in and hands the ball off and they have no plan to make it a better situation. They havent made the guy look good where he is trade bait in the offseason..as a matter of fact most teams are probably looking at the situation and saying "man this guy hasnt played QB in years..pass" so what exactly dont us "eagles fans" understand..

there is only one reason Vick isn't in on more plays, he's not that good anymore. He's not nearly as fast as he was, and he needed his speed to be dynamic. That's why he's not in the game more.

They tried ... if he had shown some hints of being good, they could have picked up his option and traded him ... but now, I'm guessing they just cut him.

Jearlpam0925

jimed14 wrote:

petrocs wrote:

jimed14 wrote:

Didn't the "I completely give up on the Eagles" comments happen last year as well?

Someone find the 2008 thread ... I swear, someone went on a midseason "I don't care about this team anymore, I don't care if they make the palyoffs" type tirade.

I probably did and it will happen every year until they DO SOMETHING. You cant keep teasing before there are enough blue balls to call foul...I mean you can only grind the prom queen so much before you HAVE to stick it in..and if its not with her its gonna be with someone else...well...I for one am ready for the home run underneath the bleachers..lets go Lurie...get me my home run!

It's so tough, I'm an outsider, but I always liked the Eagles.

I think most non-Eagles fans think you guys are way too hard on McNabb ... and about right on Reid. But still, 75 - 85% of the league would gradly trade their situation for the Reid / McNabb duo.

Only a few more years left for McNabb ... might as well run it out with Reid ... who else is going to coach this team? Gruden? Cowher?

Well, I fully agree on the McNabb thing. But I can play both sides of the fence on this. On one hand, yes, I believe people are too hard on McNabb in this city because he does put up results. On the other side, and I have always been a McNabb supporter, he just doesn't have that killer instinct and also we live and breath with this team everyday so I think we're more detailed in what we say and evaluate as opposed to those on the "outside." Reid, on the other hand, has great organization skill and building a winning team. But the difference in being a winning team and a championship team is the ability to switch up even your own philosophy to go that next step - ie not making halftime adjustments like in the Super Bowl to defend the screen or going to a no-huddle offense, mis-management of time. But, yeah, you're right that any team in this league would pay a king's ransom to have Reid as their coach. To that, some kind of change needs to be made. Everything that happened yesterday is what's been going on for 11 years now.

And for the record, Shannahan was never a great coach. I'll admit he knows how to run the ball though. But he acquired a lot of Reeves' scheme and of course Elway. I think it's pretty evident to everything Shanahan did once Elway retired.

pearljgirl2010

I actually think that if Vick were given a real chance, he could be good again...one or two passes here and there doesn't give much of an indication of how he'd hold up in full-game situations. I'd be interested in seeing it...

pjhawks

jimed14 wrote:

Didn't the "I completely give up on the Eagles" comments happen last year as well?

Someone find the 2008 thread ... I swear, someone went on a midseason "I don't care about this team anymore, I don't care if they make the palyoffs" type tirade.

yes they did and I was buried on here last year for calling them bandwagon fans because so many last year said they were done with this team. lo and behold 6-8 weeks later they are in the NFC Championship again. let the season play out is all i say. one loss is not the end of the world - looking at realistically on paper you'd have to concede yesterday's game was going to be very difficult to win anyways. A good team on the road with 1 starting linebacker, 3 cornberbacks out by halftime, left tackle out, not to mention Westbrook leaving again (retire Brian for your own health's sake).

Jearlpam0925

pjhawks wrote:

jimed14 wrote:

Didn't the "I completely give up on the Eagles" comments happen last year as well?

Someone find the 2008 thread ... I swear, someone went on a midseason "I don't care about this team anymore, I don't care if they make the palyoffs" type tirade.

yes they did and I was buried on here last year for calling them bandwagon fans because so many last year said they were done with this team. lo and behold 6-8 weeks later they are in the NFC Championship again. let the season play out is all i say. one loss is not the end of the world - looking at realistically on paper you'd have to concede yesterday's game was going to be very difficult to win anyways. A good team on the road with 1 starting linebacker, 3 cornberbacks out by halftime, left tackle out, not to mention Westbrook leaving again (retire Brian for your own health's sake).

Dude, you call everyone in this thread a bandwagon fan. You really do go out of your way to make sure of that. We get it. You are the most loyal fan here, we get it. You are the end-all be-all in judging who are and who are not true fans. God forbid anyone criticizes this team.

pjhawks

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

jimed14 wrote:

Didn't the "I completely give up on the Eagles" comments happen last year as well?

Someone find the 2008 thread ... I swear, someone went on a midseason "I don't care about this team anymore, I don't care if they make the palyoffs" type tirade.

yes they did and I was buried on here last year for calling them bandwagon fans because so many last year said they were done with this team. lo and behold 6-8 weeks later they are in the NFC Championship again. let the season play out is all i say. one loss is not the end of the world - looking at realistically on paper you'd have to concede yesterday's game was going to be very difficult to win anyways. A good team on the road with 1 starting linebacker, 3 cornberbacks out by halftime, left tackle out, not to mention Westbrook leaving again (retire Brian for your own health's sake).

Dude, you call everyone in this thread a bandwagon fan. You really do go out of your way to make sure of that. We get it. You are the most loyal fan here, we get it. You are the end-all be-all in judging who are and who are not true fans. God forbid anyone criticizes this team.

when you say 'I am done with this team" yet are back cheering later you are the epitome of a bandwagon fan - i'm not saying all who complain about the team are that way. i did not call everyone on here complaining a bandwagon fan. many of the complaints are legitimate - let's just remember that they don't award Super Bowls after 9 or 10 games. This time last year the Giants were the best team in the NFC and we kicked their asses in the playoffs. did our fans not learn anything last year? It is a loooonnng season - let it play out before you fire the coach and quarterback which we tend to do in Philly after every loss. why do we treat every loss like the end of the freakin world - we are 5-4 right in the hunt for the division title.

Phantom Pain

And again how did last year end ?

Your argument would hold water if they won 2 Super Bowls coming close every year does not get a trophy the last time I checked

All the seasons take on a life of their own and end the same...not winning it all

Time to move on with this regime

I wish the Iggles would heed their own advice when Pencil Neck said "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result..."

Looks like the same results to me :thumbdown:

Phantom Pain

jimed14 wrote:

petrocs wrote:

jimed14 wrote:

Didn't the "I completely give up on the Eagles" comments happen last year as well?

Someone find the 2008 thread ... I swear, someone went on a midseason "I don't care about this team anymore, I don't care if they make the palyoffs" type tirade.

I probably did and it will happen every year until they DO SOMETHING. You cant keep teasing before there are enough blue balls to call foul...I mean you can only grind the prom queen so much before you HAVE to stick it in..and if its not with her its gonna be with someone else...well...I for one am ready for the home run underneath the bleachers..lets go Lurie...get me my home run!

It's so tough, I'm an outsider, but I always liked the Eagles.

I think most non-Eagles fans think you guys are way too hard on McNabb ... and about right on Reid. But still, 75 - 85% of the league would gradly trade their situation for the Reid / McNabb duo.

Only a few more years left for McNabb ... might as well run it out with Reid ... who else is going to coach this team? Gruden? Cowher?

Yes it could be like Cleveland around here but at the end of the day its about winning it all

6-10 or worse or making the playoffs and losing..you're still a losing team

Jearlpam0925

Phantom Pain wrote:

jimed14 wrote:

petrocs wrote:

I probably did and it will happen every year until they DO SOMETHING. You cant keep teasing before there are enough blue balls to call foul...I mean you can only grind the prom queen so much before you HAVE to stick it in..and if its not with her its gonna be with someone else...well...I for one am ready for the home run underneath the bleachers..lets go Lurie...get me my home run!

It's so tough, I'm an outsider, but I always liked the Eagles.

I think most non-Eagles fans think you guys are way too hard on McNabb ... and about right on Reid. But still, 75 - 85% of the league would gradly trade their situation for the Reid / McNabb duo.

Only a few more years left for McNabb ... might as well run it out with Reid ... who else is going to coach this team? Gruden? Cowher?

Yes it could be like Cleveland around here but at the end of the day its about winning it all

6-10 or worse or making the playoffs and losing..you're still a losing team

I don't ever wanna be Cleveland. If there's ever been a dumber fucking argument it is the one where someone says, "What would you rather have - be competitive ever year or win a Super Bowl and then be terrible for years?" I HATE this stupid fucking hypothetical. OF COURSE I would take the championship, but it doesn't work like that. There's no such thing as deals with the devil or looking into a crystal ball. The people who say picking the option to be competitive every year is stupid, are in fact the morons. Because being competitive every year puts you in a position to win. People look at this shit all wrong. Again, do I wanna be the bride's maid every year? Of course not, but to apparently "go for it all"(whatever in the hell that means) and then be terrible in the aftermath is fucking retarded. With that said, in the NFL today, rebuilding only takes about 3 years if you draft moderately well, build your teams from the front lines on out, and have a manageable quarterback, they can be back in this. In all reality, Donovan is most likely gone after this year anyway, and Reid isn't going anywhere. And I'm fine with that. I would never agree with blowing the whole thing up, but it's not as bad of an idea as some think. As long as your management have their heads on straight then things will be alright.

The biggest pro to the Reid regime is that not only do they build the team to be competitive "in the now", but also for the future. And that's a sound thing knowing you're in this thing even when your franchise quarterback is on the way out, the best running back in the Eagles history's career is officially over(yes he was. and yes it is.)

pjhawks

Phantom Pain wrote:

And again how did last year end ?

Your argument would hold water if they won 2 Super Bowls coming close every year does not get a trophy the last time I checked

All the seasons take on a life of their own and end the same...not winning it all

Time to move on with this regime

I wish the Iggles would heed their own advice when Pencil Neck said "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result..."

Looks like the same results to me :thumbdown:

is someone having a parade this week for winning the Super Bowl already? THE SEASON IS BARELY HALF-OVER - let it play out before you declare it a complete waste.

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

jimed14 wrote:

Didn't the "I completely give up on the Eagles" comments happen last year as well?

Someone find the 2008 thread ... I swear, someone went on a midseason "I don't care about this team anymore, I don't care if they make the palyoffs" type tirade.

yes they did and I was buried on here last year for calling them bandwagon fans because so many last year said they were done with this team. lo and behold 6-8 weeks later they are in the NFC Championship again. let the season play out is all i say. one loss is not the end of the world - looking at realistically on paper you'd have to concede yesterday's game was going to be very difficult to win anyways. A good team on the road with 1 starting linebacker, 3 cornberbacks out by halftime, left tackle out, not to mention Westbrook leaving again (retire Brian for your own health's sake).

good analysis, spuds.