is jesus christ being sworn in today?

Commy

patriotism can be a terrible thing. can give a country an excuse to do all sorts of terrible things., the "we are better than you" mentality that has been responsible for so much violence over the years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtNMly0aDUk

IMakeshift Patriot
The Flag Shop Is Out Of Stock
Hang Myself...Half Mast

Makeshift Patriot-Sage Francis
The Flag Shop is Out of Stock
I hang myself...via live telecast

Coming live from my own funeral...the
beautiful weather offered a nice shine
Which is suitable for a full view of a forever altered
skyline
It's times like these I freestyle biased opinions every other sentence
My journalistic
ethics slip when I pass them off as objective
'Don't gimme that ethical shit.'
I've got exclusive,
explicit images to present to impressionable American kids
And it's time to show this world
how big our edifice is!

That's exactly what they attacked when a typically dark skinned
Disney villain
Used civilians against civilians and charged the trojan horses into our
buildings
Using commercial aviation as instruments of destruction
Pregnant women couldn't
protect their children
Wheelchairs were stairway obstructions
Now I have to back petal...from
the shower of glass and metal
Wondering how after it settles we'll find who provided power
to radical rebels
The Melting Pot seems to be calling the kettle black when it boils over
But
only on our own soil so the little boy holds a toy soldier..
And waits for the suit and tie to
come home. We won't wait 'til he's older
Before we destroy hopes for a colder war to end
'Now
get a close up of his head...'

Makeshift Patriot
The Flag Shop Is Out Of Stock
Hang Myself...Half
Mast

Makeshift Patriot
The Flag Shop is Out of Stock
I hang myself while the stock markets
crash

The city is covered in inches of muck
I see some other pictures of victims are up
Grieving
mothers are thinking their children are stuck
Leaping lovers are making decisions to jump
While
holding hands...to escape the brutal heat
Sometimes in groups of the three
The fall out
goes far beyond the toxic cloud where people look like debris
But all they saw after all was
said...beyond the talking heads

Was bloody dust with legs looking like the walking dead
calling for meds
Hospitals are overwhelmed. volunteers need to go the hell home
Moments
of silence for fire fighters were interupted by cell phones
Who's going to make that call
to increase an unknown death toll?
It's the one we rally behind
He's got a megaphone...and
he's promising to make heads roll
So we cheer him on, but asbestos is affecting our breath
control
The less we know...the more they fabricate...the easier it is to sell souls
An addictive
24 hour candle light vigil in TV's
Freedom WILL be defended...at the cost of civil liberties
Viewers
are glued to television screens
Stuck... cause lots of things seem too sick
I use opportunities
to pluck heart strings for theme music

I'll show you which culture to punp your fist at and
what foot is right to kiss
We don't know who the culprit is yet...but he looks like this
We
know who the heros are. Not the xenophobes who act hard
'We taught that dog to squat.
How dare
he do that shit in our own back yard!'

They happened to scar our financial state and char our
landscape
Can you count how many times so far I ran back this same damn tape?
While a camera
man creates news and shoves it down our throats on the West Bank
With a 10 second clip put on
constant loop to provoke US angst

So get your tanks and load your guns and hold your sons in
a family huddle
Because even if we win this tug of war and even the score...humanity struggles
There's
a desperate need of blood for what's been uncovered under the rubble
Some of them dug for answers
in the mess...but the rest were looking for trouble

Makeshift Patriot
The Flag Shop Is
Out Of Stock
Hang Myself...Half Mast

Makeshift Patriot
The Flag Shop is Out of Stock
I
hang myself, don't waive your rights with your flags

dunkman

soulsinging wrote:

dunkman wrote:

its cultural in certain middle eastern countries to let women have their clitoris removed... you ok with that? you dont think it's odd? nonsense? wrong!?

its cultural in india that daughters can be swapped for goats or cattle.. you ok with that? you dont think it's odd? nonsense? wrong!?

its the culture in america to fly the flag, say god bless it and to also think that its the greatest country in the world.. i'm not ok with that, i think its odd, makes no sense and wrong.. wrong as in it promotes blinkered patriotism for patriotism sake.

I think you finally convinced me here. I can totally see how an American putting a flag on his porch is on the same level of reprehensible cultural practices as clitoral circumcision or selling people as property. Thanks for helping me to finally see the light!

to the people of Afghanistan and Iraq its as reprehensible.... to them the flag symbolises, in a bad way, much more than it does me.

dunkman

soulsinging wrote:

Heineken Helen wrote:

Wrong. It makes no sense to exactly TWO people in this thread... you and dunk, our resident "piss on American patriotism every chance we can possibly get" posters.

nobody else from europe is in the thread but they'd say the same...

also i think Kenny Olav and Commy have commented on the patriotism aspect being 'huge'



still.... its not ok for me and helen to question the necessity for the glam self congratulatory style of america is it... and yet...

soulsinging wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

i cant tell you how many times the jeagler and his wasted friends have belted out "god bless america" at 1am in some random bar. it is a lot of fun, and also100% jeagler approved...so you really cant go wrong.

That's so lame. There are few things worse than cheap drunken patriotic sentimentality.

whats so wrong about jeagler singing the song with his buddies... you appear to have an issue with it... .why?


hypo... meet crite.

dunkman

soulsinging wrote:

dunkman wrote:

sigh... this forum cannot and wouldnt function if i had to go back through this thread and highlight and bolden 'important' parts.

i'm pretty sure that i could trawl the internet or ask people for unusual customs that harm no-one but that you would find odd, nonsense or wrong.

Odd, certainly. But not wrong or nonsensical. I can also guarantee they wouldn't "irk" me and certainly not so much that I would spend days posting about how wrong they are.

and thats just you... the flag waving, god blessing and we are the greatest mentality irks me... so what?

you've spent days replying to me...

so you dont find the custom of tapping the shins of a welshman with a daffodil on the third friday of march nonsenical? you dont find the custom of bringing a lump of coal into the first home you visit in scotland after Hogmanay nonsenical? i do.

fanch75

Byrnzie wrote:

I've been in America at different times of the year and there's always flags flying from houses. Why try and pretend this only happens at certain times of the year?

Of all things in the world to worry about or be upset with....

Anyway, we do have a decent amount of little Asian honeys running around!

cincybearcat

Byrnzie wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

dunkman wrote:

grafton street in one month of the year... most likely for a sporting event as i've been in Dublin in August (as helen should quite frankly fucking know) to watch PJ... and i have a huge batch of witnesses who will testify that the streets were not awash with flags

unlike this (type in "US flag homes" into flickr search and the results are incredible... this image was the fourth one down!)

good for them. looks like summertime. my guess is flag day or 4th of july. well done dunk. quick! do another pointless random google search! hurry!!

I've been in America at different times of the year and there's always flags flying from houses. Why try and pretend this only happens at certain times of the year?

The real question is...who cares? Why do you care? Talk about trying to step on someones freedoms. Again, who really cares?

soulsinging

dunkman wrote:

whats so wrong about jeagler singing the song with his buddies... you appear to have an issue with it... .why?

hypo... meet crite.

I think it's lame because I've been in bars and know the people doing it. You say all flag displays are wrong, despite having never been in America to see one and never having spoken to or known anyone that does it. I have the experience to back my view (experience you deem so very important when Americans don't have it... travel... but suddenly becomes irrelevant when it's convenient for your argument). You are just making things up due to your irrational resentment of all things American.

fanch75

He probably doesn't even like Buckcherry, SS.

soulsinging

dunkman wrote:

and thats just you... the flag waving, god blessing and we are the greatest mentality irks me... so what?

you've spent days replying to me...

so you dont find the custom of tapping the shins of a welshman with a daffodil on the third friday of march nonsenical? you dont find the custom of bringing a lump of coal into the first home you visit in scotland after Hogmanay nonsenical? i do.

Yes, I've spent days responding, but I've also never claimed that this topic just 'bores' me.

Yes, that a weird custom. But I'm not going to sit here for days talking about how irritating that custom is to me because I couldn't care less that they do it or why. You clearly do. I certainly would never say it's wrong or pompous or arrogant (all adjectives you've used to describe flag displays in this thread) of them to do so.

I love that you keep whining about how we won't let you express your opinion that flag displays suck and are irrational (which we have, nobody has stopped you) but then act like we're all jerks for expressing our opinion that your opinion sucks and is irrational. What was the word? Hypocrite?

The Juggler

dunkman wrote:

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to the people of Afghanistan and Iraq its as reprehensible.... to them the flag symbolises, in a bad way, much more than it does me.[/quote]

again you are showing your hatred for the "american" flag. i thought your beef was flag waving in general man? you keep coming back to this for some reason....hmmmm

The Juggler

soulsinging wrote:

dunkman wrote:

whats so wrong about jeagler singing the song with his buddies... you appear to have an issue with it... .why?

hypo... meet crite.

I think it's lame because I've been in bars and know the people doing it. You say all flag displays are wrong, despite having never been in America to see one and never having spoken to or known anyone that does it. I have the experience to back my view (experience you deem so very important when Americans don't have it... travel... but suddenly becomes irrelevant when it's convenient for your argument). You are just making things up due to your irrational resentment of all things American.

hold up....are you calling the jeagler and his buddies lame?! :shock:

say it ain't so my friend! beligerent, annoying drunk, yes...lame, hardly!

decides2dream

soulsinging wrote:

Ever wear a Pearl Jam shirt to a Pearl Jam concert?

ZING!
this really should've been brought up waaayyyyy earlier. we're all slippin'.







btw, this:





is a beautiful picture to me. i love seeing national holidays with lots of flags hanging....and yes, i too would guess it's summertime...for the flowers, and the fact that a flag is even hanging on a tree on the curb - which means the town hung it up, and even my town does that.....for 4th of july....and yes....stays up at least the month of july. i fully admit flags are displayed on homes year-round, tho moreso in the warmer months....i don't see it as something to be ashamed of, or own up to......it's a part of our culture!


walking to the train station this morning, i saw at most 5 flags over the course of 7 blocks...but on inauguration day, a lot more were hanging up. i see it all as, no matter our ancestry, no matter where we come from, how long we've been here, etc.....we share at least one commonality; and show pride, support, love, respect, or whatever else why one chooses to hang a flag on their home. i am a first generation american, as is chiqui who weighed in....i know countless 'new' americans...with 'pride' for their own culture, and also america......i live in a neighborhood with white/european, chinese, indian, portuguese and a smattering of other cultures.....and many choose to display their flags often, others never. as to the american flag being offensive to someone in afghanistan, i don't doubt it....but we're displaying it in our own country, for our own enjoyment....so what of it? :P irritating, irksome, ignorant, misplaced-pride, blind sheep...whatever negative connotation you may have of it...obviously, many americans don't.

soulsinging

The Jeagler wrote:

hold up....are you calling the jeagler and his buddies lame?! :shock:

say it ain't so my friend! beligerent, annoying drunk, yes...lame, hardly!

Yes, I think it's lame to get all drunk and sappy and sentimental and sing 'God Bless America.' Of course, I think that song sucks incredibly badly. There are a lot of songs that are classically great for drunken bar singalongs... 'God Bless America' isn't one of them. It's like a scene out of a bad tv show.

The Juggler

soulsinging wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

hold up....are you calling the jeagler and his buddies lame?! :shock:

say it ain't so my friend! beligerent, annoying drunk, yes...lame, hardly!

Yes, I think it's lame to get all drunk and sappy and sentimental and sing 'God Bless America.' Of course, I think that song sucks incredibly badly. There are a lot of songs that are classically great for drunken bar singalongs... 'God Bless America' isn't one of them. It's like a scene out of a bad tv show.

fair enough. agree to disagree. its not like we're being serious when we do it though. i dont know why but we all find it hillarious. plus i love seeing all the puzzeled looks on people's faces when we launch into it.

decides2dream

The Jeagler wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

hold up....are you calling the jeagler and his buddies lame?! :shock:

say it ain't so my friend! beligerent, annoying drunk, yes...lame, hardly!

Yes, I think it's lame to get all drunk and sappy and sentimental and sing 'God Bless America.' Of course, I think that song sucks incredibly badly. There are a lot of songs that are classically great for drunken bar singalongs... 'God Bless America' isn't one of them. It's like a scene out of a bad tv show.

fair enough. agree to disagree. its not like we're being serious when we do it though. i dont know why but we all find it hillarious. plus i love seeing all the puzzeled looks on people's faces when we launch into it.

god bless.

soulsinging

The Jeagler wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

hold up....are you calling the jeagler and his buddies lame?! :shock:

say it ain't so my friend! beligerent, annoying drunk, yes...lame, hardly!

Yes, I think it's lame to get all drunk and sappy and sentimental and sing 'God Bless America.' Of course, I think that song sucks incredibly badly. There are a lot of songs that are classically great for drunken bar singalongs... 'God Bless America' isn't one of them. It's like a scene out of a bad tv show.

fair enough. agree to disagree. its not like we're being serious when we do it though. i dont know why but we all find it hillarious. plus i love seeing all the puzzeled looks on people's faces when we launch into it.

I guess I can see it getting quite an odd reaction. For comic effect it makes a bit more sense... that might not be so lame. If you were doing it in all seriousness and getting all misty-eyed about it... that's lame.

The Juggler

.[/quote]


fair enough. agree to disagree. its not like we're being serious when we do it though. i dont know why but we all find it hillarious. plus i love seeing all the puzzeled looks on people's faces when we launch into it.[/quote]

I guess I can see it getting quite an odd reaction. For comic effect it makes a bit more sense... that might not be so lame. If you were doing it in all seriousness and getting all misty-eyed about it... that's lame.[/quote]


lol...c'mon man. this is the jeagler you're talking about!

dunkman

soulsinging wrote:

I think it's lame because I've been in bars and know the people doing it. You say all flag displays are wrong, despite having never been in America to see one and never having spoken to or known anyone that does it.

well the last bit is completely untrue...

now i'm off to gaze forlornly at Speedy's nice avatar

dunkman

The Jeagler wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

hold up....are you calling the jeagler and his buddies lame?! :shock:

say it ain't so my friend! beligerent, annoying drunk, yes...lame, hardly!

Yes, I think it's lame to get all drunk and sappy and sentimental and sing 'God Bless America.' Of course, I think that song sucks incredibly badly. There are a lot of songs that are classically great for drunken bar singalongs... 'God Bless America' isn't one of them. It's like a scene out of a bad tv show.

fair enough. agree to disagree. its not like we're being serious when we do it though. i dont know why but we all find it hillarious. plus i love seeing all the puzzeled looks on people's faces when we launch into it.

i dont have anything to say. I'm just quoting this one as you actually managed to use the fuckin quote function correctly.

Heineken Helen

The Jeagler wrote:

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well there you go. i hinted at this earlier with helen and she got a little testy. but you just proved my point. you dont care about flags in general. you, my friend, clearly have a problem with the flag of the united states of america.

you basically just admitted as much.

got a little testy??? :? I don't recall that... and if I did it's cos you're obsessed with this point. Anyone who questions ANY habit or culture or whatever in America is anti-American it's just ridiculous... and lazy arguing.