is jesus christ being sworn in today?

Sludge Factory

I personally don't have a problem if people want to fly a flag. It's when they start wearing or draping it over themselves a la Bon Jovi that I start to take issue.

decides2dream

Heineken Helen wrote:

Are you saying Americans are as dumb as squirrels?????????????

in case you missed it:

decides2dream wrote:

and to lots of other people, it DOES make sense...so your opinion, even held by a great many....doesn't 'prove' anything....simply...opinion. it's a part of american culture. i do not find it odd that someone outside the country doesn't 'understand'...just as i may not understand all in another countries culture. only difference is, i don't try to tell said cultures that what they do is wrong, makes no sense, is silly, or what have you. it harms no one, many enjoy it, it's our culture...not yours...so who cares? i think that question has been asked numerous times over. i could not care less if everyone in another country sang to the rooftops their country is the greatest in the world, nor would i care if they draped every inch of it in their flag, people danced and sang only national anthems, etc.......it has zero effect on my life, if they enjoy it, more power to em.

THAT's what i am saying...which you refuse to acknowledge. you want to think it's stupid...go ahead...couldn't care less! but to carry on and on about it - and say to say it serves NO purpose, that there are only appropriate times for displaying the flag, etc., when it has no bearing on you.....it is our culture.....yes, that is something *I* can't understand.

if i choose to display our flag on february 26th.....or on september 17th....on days that apparently would be 'no reason' to display a flag in your opinion, but hold great significance to ME.........how is that 'no reason'...and more importantly, why is it a concern of yours...or your place to say it's silly, has no meaning, etc, etc. we americans often get accused of being insensitive to other cultures....and all i can say is, clearly, the same can be said for a great many others.


asnd to the squirre....he's great fun, and as about as appropriate to this thread as anything else. nothing more, nothing less...:)

mickeyrat

Sludge Factory wrote:

I personally don't have a problem if people want to fly a flag. It's when they start wearing or draping it over themselves a la Bon Jovi that I start to take issue.

Like as shorts!!!

chiquimonkey

my poor squirrel, getting dragged into this mess lol

been casually reading thru this thread. i still don't understand the rancor people have towards those who fly their country's flags. what does it matter to you? who cares what your opinion is? should flag-wavers care, really? people have different ways of expressing their love of country, there's no right or wrong way. it's opinion.

yet i keep seeing the same opinion regurgitated as "fact", time and time again, by people who haven't even stepped foot in the U.S., or clearly have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to the U.S. at least base your opinion on knowledge instead of supposition.

doth protest too much. the more the U.S. keeps getting slammed, the more i think it's an insecurity thing about your own country. i don't have a flag up by my front door, that doesn't make me less patriotic. if someone chooses to think that, that's fine, i'll just consider them to be an idiot and move on.

i know by posting this it will either get ignored, or glossed over and misinterpreted because it takes more effort to actually understand someone than to continue spouting off nonsense. so i'm not expecting an answer to anything, none that are lucid anyway.

and for the record, i was born here, to immigrants that came from cuba and spain (communism and facism just didn't sit well with them, go figure). they went thru hell when they first got here, but i'm glad to be in this country. and i have had the luxury (and that's what it is, a luxury...like fanch said, not everybody gets the chance) to travel to other countries, so i can't be accused of being some ignorant american that's never stepped beyond my borders.

so whatever. bottom line - don't get twisted thinking your opinion is fact, cuz it ain't.

mickeyrat

chiquimonkey wrote:

my poor squirrel, getting dragged into this mess lol

been casually reading thru this thread. i still don't understand the rancor people have towards those who fly their country's flags. what does it matter to you? who cares what your opinion is? should flag-wavers care, really? people have different ways of expressing their love of country, there's no right or wrong way. it's opinion.

yet i keep seeing the same opinion regurgitated as "fact", time and time again, by people who haven't even stepped foot in the U.S., or clearly have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to the U.S. at least base your opinion on knowledge instead of supposition.

doth protest too much. the more the U.S. keeps getting slammed, the more i think it's an insecurity thing about your own country. i don't have a flag up by my front door, that doesn't make me less patriotic. if someone chooses to think that, that's fine, i'll just consider them to be an idiot and move on.

i know by posting this it will either get ignored, or glossed over and misinterpreted because it takes more effort to actually understand someone than to continue spouting off nonsense. so i'm not expecting an answer to anything, none that are lucid anyway.

and for the record, i was born here, to immigrants that came from cuba and spain (communism and facism just didn't sit well with them, go figure). they went thru hell when they first got here, but i'm glad to be in this country. and i have had the luxury (and that's what it is, a luxury...like fanch said, not everybody gets the chance) to travel to other countries, so i can't be accused of being some ignorant american that's never stepped beyond my borders.

so whatever. bottom line - don't get twisted thinking your opinion is fact, cuz it ain't.

Thread killer

chiquimonkey

mickeyrat wrote:

chiquimonkey wrote:

my poor squirrel, getting dragged into this mess lol

been casually reading thru this thread. i still don't understand the rancor people have towards those who fly their country's flags. what does it matter to you? who cares what your opinion is? should flag-wavers care, really? people have different ways of expressing their love of country, there's no right or wrong way. it's opinion.

yet i keep seeing the same opinion regurgitated as "fact", time and time again, by people who haven't even stepped foot in the U.S., or clearly have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to the U.S. at least base your opinion on knowledge instead of supposition.

doth protest too much. the more the U.S. keeps getting slammed, the more i think it's an insecurity thing about your own country. i don't have a flag up by my front door, that doesn't make me less patriotic. if someone chooses to think that, that's fine, i'll just consider them to be an idiot and move on.

i know by posting this it will either get ignored, or glossed over and misinterpreted because it takes more effort to actually understand someone than to continue spouting off nonsense. so i'm not expecting an answer to anything, none that are lucid anyway.

and for the record, i was born here, to immigrants that came from cuba and spain (communism and facism just didn't sit well with them, go figure). they went thru hell when they first got here, but i'm glad to be in this country. and i have had the luxury (and that's what it is, a luxury...like fanch said, not everybody gets the chance) to travel to other countries, so i can't be accused of being some ignorant american that's never stepped beyond my borders.

so whatever. bottom line - don't get twisted thinking your opinion is fact, cuz it ain't.

Thread killer

i'm not surprised. it happens a lot lol

chromiam

mickeyrat wrote:

Thread killer

Nah.. just tough to argue or debate common sense. Although people like to state they have more right than someone else, even though we have the same rights.

fanch75

If more people listened to Buckcherry records, then there would be less fighting.

dunkman

decides2dream wrote:

and to lots of other people, it DOES make sense...so your opinion, even held by a great many....doesn't 'prove' anything....simply...opinion. it's a part of american culture. i do not find it odd that someone outside the country doesn't 'understand'...just as i may not understand all in another countries culture. only difference is, i don't try to tell said cultures that what they do is wrong, makes no sense, is silly, or what have you. it harms no one, many enjoy it, it's our culture...not yours...so who cares? i think that question has been asked numerous times over. i could not care less if everyone in another country sang to the rooftops their country is the greatest in the world, nor would i care if they draped every inch of it in their flag, people danced and sang only national anthems, etc.......it has zero effect on my life, if they enjoy it, more power to em.

its cultural in certain middle eastern countries to let women have their clitoris removed... you ok with that? you dont think it's odd? nonsense? wrong!?

its cultural in india that daughters can be swapped for goats or cattle.. you ok with that? you dont think it's odd? nonsense? wrong!?

its the culture in america to fly the flag, say god bless it and to also think that its the greatest country in the world.. i'm not ok with that, i think its odd, makes no sense and wrong.. wrong as in it promotes blinkered patriotism for patriotism sake.

Sludge Factory

mickeyrat wrote:

Like as shorts!!!

Egad!...the images...the horror...!

decides2dream

dunkman wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

and to lots of other people, it DOES make sense...so your opinion, even held by a great many....doesn't 'prove' anything....simply...opinion. it's a part of american culture. i do not find it odd that someone outside the country doesn't 'understand'...just as i may not understand all in another countries culture. only difference is, i don't try to tell said cultures that what they do is wrong, makes no sense, is silly, or what have you. it harms no one, many enjoy it, it's our culture...not yours...so who cares? i think that question has been asked numerous times over. i could not care less if everyone in another country sang to the rooftops their country is the greatest in the world, nor would i care if they draped every inch of it in their flag, people danced and sang only national anthems, etc.......it has zero effect on my life, if they enjoy it, more power to em.

its cultural in certain middle eastern countries to let women have their clitoris removed... you ok with that? you dont think it's odd? nonsense? wrong!?

its cultural in india that daughters can be swapped for goats or cattle.. you ok with that? you dont think it's odd? nonsense? wrong!?

its the culture in america to fly the flag, say god bless it and to also think that its the greatest country in the world.. i'm not ok with that, i think its odd, makes no sense and wrong.. wrong as in it promotes blinkered patriotism for patriotism sake.

as usual....you skipped over an important part....i bolded/enlarged it for ya just in case.

decides2dream

chiquimonkey wrote:

my poor squirrel, getting dragged into this mess lol

been casually reading thru this thread. i still don't understand the rancor people have towards those who fly their country's flags. what does it matter to you? who cares what your opinion is? should flag-wavers care, really? people have different ways of expressing their love of country, there's no right or wrong way. it's opinion.

yet i keep seeing the same opinion regurgitated as "fact", time and time again, by people who haven't even stepped foot in the U.S., or clearly have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to the U.S. at least base your opinion on knowledge instead of supposition.

doth protest too much. the more the U.S. keeps getting slammed, the more i think it's an insecurity thing about your own country. i don't have a flag up by my front door, that doesn't make me less patriotic. if someone chooses to think that, that's fine, i'll just consider them to be an idiot and move on.

i know by posting this it will either get ignored, or glossed over and misinterpreted because it takes more effort to actually understand someone than to continue spouting off nonsense. so i'm not expecting an answer to anything, none that are lucid anyway.

and for the record, i was born here, to immigrants that came from cuba and spain (communism and facism just didn't sit well with them, go figure). they went thru hell when they first got here, but i'm glad to be in this country. and i have had the luxury (and that's what it is, a luxury...like fanch said, not everybody gets the chance) to travel to other countries, so i can't be accused of being some ignorant american that's never stepped beyond my borders.

so whatever. bottom line - don't get twisted thinking your opinion is fact, cuz it ain't.

exactly.

and sorry to drage the poor squirrel in the mix, but see? it had a side-benefit.....thanks for the sensible post.

mickeyrat

Sludge Factory wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

Like as shorts!!!

Egad!...the images...the horror...!

The shit stains!!!

chiquimonkey

dunkman wrote:

its cultural in certain middle eastern countries to let women have their clitoris removed... you ok with that? you dont think it's odd? nonsense? wrong!?

its cultural in india that daughters can be swapped for goats or cattle.. you ok with that? you dont think it's odd? nonsense? wrong!?

its the culture in america to fly the flag, say god bless it and to also think that its the greatest country in the world.. i'm not ok with that, i think its odd, makes no sense and wrong.. wrong as in it promotes blinkered patriotism for patriotism sake.

you see flag waving and 'god bless america' as offensive as your two prior examples? are you fucking kidding me? the first two have to do with basic human rights. flags are just irritating you. hardly the same damn thing.

just....damn. incredible.

dunkman

decides2dream wrote:

dunkman wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

and to lots of other people, it DOES make sense...so your opinion, even held by a great many....doesn't 'prove' anything....simply...opinion. it's a part of american culture. i do not find it odd that someone outside the country doesn't 'understand'...just as i may not understand all in another countries culture. only difference is, i don't try to tell said cultures that what they do is wrong, makes no sense, is silly, or what have you. it harms no one, many enjoy it, it's our culture...not yours...so who cares? i think that question has been asked numerous times over. i could not care less if everyone in another country sang to the rooftops their country is the greatest in the world, nor would i care if they draped every inch of it in their flag, people danced and sang only national anthems, etc.......it has zero effect on my life, if they enjoy it, more power to em.

its cultural in certain middle eastern countries to let women have their clitoris removed... you ok with that? you dont think it's odd? nonsense? wrong!?

its cultural in india that daughters can be swapped for goats or cattle.. you ok with that? you dont think it's odd? nonsense? wrong!?

its the culture in america to fly the flag, say god bless it and to also think that its the greatest country in the world.. i'm not ok with that, i think its odd, makes no sense and wrong.. wrong as in it promotes blinkered patriotism for patriotism sake.

as usual....you skipped over an important part....i bolded/enlarged it for ya just in case.

sigh... this forum cannot and wouldnt function if i had to go back through this thread and highlight and bolden 'important' parts.

i'm pretty sure that i could trawl the internet or ask people for unusual customs that harm no-one but that you would find odd, nonsense or wrong.

The Juggler

[/quote]

its cultural in certain middle eastern countries to let women have their clitoris removed... you ok with that? you dont think it's odd? nonsense? wrong!?

its cultural in india that daughters can be swapped for goats or cattle.. you ok with that? you dont think it's odd? nonsense? wrong!?

its the culture in america to fly the flag, say god bless it and to also think that its the greatest country in the world.. i'm not ok with that, i think its odd, makes no sense and wrong.. wrong as in it promotes blinkered patriotism for patriotism sake.[/quote]

wow.
comparing flying a flag to women having their clitoris removed and daughters being swapped for goats.... :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :?

ladies and gentlemen...the WINNER of The Worst Comparison Of The Day goes to.........dunk man.

thanks for playing dunk man. i'm sure we have some lovely red white and blue parting gifts for you somewhere around here. god bless you!

The Juggler

chiquimonkey wrote:

my poor squirrel, getting dragged into this mess lol

been casually reading thru this thread. i still don't understand the rancor people have towards those who fly their country's flags. what does it matter to you? who cares what your opinion is? should flag-wavers care, really? people have different ways of expressing their love of country, there's no right or wrong way. it's opinion.

yet i keep seeing the same opinion regurgitated as "fact", time and time again, by people who haven't even stepped foot in the U.S., or clearly have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to the U.S. at least base your opinion on knowledge instead of supposition.

doth protest too much. the more the U.S. keeps getting slammed, the more i think it's an insecurity thing about your own country. i don't have a flag up by my front door, that doesn't make me less patriotic. if someone chooses to think that, that's fine, i'll just consider them to be an idiot and move on.

i know by posting this it will either get ignored, or glossed over and misinterpreted because it takes more effort to actually understand someone than to continue spouting off nonsense. so i'm not expecting an answer to anything, none that are lucid anyway.

and for the record, i was born here, to immigrants that came from cuba and spain (communism and facism just didn't sit well with them, go figure). they went thru hell when they first got here, but i'm glad to be in this country. and i have had the luxury (and that's what it is, a luxury...like fanch said, not everybody gets the chance) to travel to other countries, so i can't be accused of being some ignorant american that's never stepped beyond my borders.

so whatever. bottom line - don't get twisted thinking your opinion is fact, cuz it ain't.

the most intelligent post in this thread. thanks chiquimonkey!

mickeyrat

The Jeagler wrote:

its cultural in certain middle eastern countries to let women have their clitoris removed... you ok with that? you dont think it's odd? nonsense? wrong!?

its cultural in india that daughters can be swapped for goats or cattle.. you ok with that? you dont think it's odd? nonsense? wrong!?

its the culture in america to fly the flag, say god bless it and to also think that its the greatest country in the world.. i'm not ok with that, i think its odd, makes no sense and wrong.. wrong as in it promotes blinkered patriotism for patriotism sake.[/quote]

wow.
comparing flying a flag to women having their clitoris removed and daughters being swapped for goats.... :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :?

ladies and gentlemen...the WINNER of The Worst Comparison Of The Day goes to.........dunk man.

thanks for playing dunk man. i'm sure we have some lovely red white and blue parting gifts for you somewhere around here. god bless you![/quote]
You can be an A.. sometimes. Much like the first post in this thread.


And Dunk , Seriously, not to slight the rest of the world The US COULD use a blessing. There's a lot wrong here , we and others can use all the help we can get.

dunkman

chiquimonkey wrote:

dunkman wrote:

its cultural in certain middle eastern countries to let women have their clitoris removed... you ok with that? you dont think it's odd? nonsense? wrong!?

its cultural in india that daughters can be swapped for goats or cattle.. you ok with that? you dont think it's odd? nonsense? wrong!?

its the culture in america to fly the flag, say god bless it and to also think that its the greatest country in the world.. i'm not ok with that, i think its odd, makes no sense and wrong.. wrong as in it promotes blinkered patriotism for patriotism sake.

you see flag waving and 'god bless america' as offensive as your two prior examples? are you fucking kidding me? the first two have to do with basic human rights. flags are just irritating you. hardly the same damn thing.

just....damn. incredible.

to a devout jew living in Jerusalem saying "god bless america" could be horrendously offensive no? a muslim from Kabul?

basic human rights to us perhaps... but its the culture of other countries to do things to do their bodies... amazonian tribesmen paint red dots on their bodies and the bodies of their sons and then have giant ants bite them to highlight the tribes strength.. its painful, not very nice to watch and could be seen as violating human rights... but those people dont see it as that and they wouldnt want us to remove their customs because it violates 'our' human rights measurement..

but that doesnt mean to say i dont find it odd, a bit silly... like when people in certain countries spit on their palm to shake on a deal... its their custom, doesnt harm anyone... but its kinda odd and silly... to me.

dunkman

The Jeagler wrote:

wow.
comparing flying a flag to women having their clitoris removed and daughters being swapped for goats.... :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :?

ladies and gentlemen...the WINNER of The Worst Comparison Of The Day goes to.........dunk man.

thanks for playing dunk man. i'm sure we have some lovely red white and blue parting gifts for you somewhere around here. god bless you!

learn to use the fucking quote function man!

to some people, mainly in the middle east it has to be said... the US flag is probably more offensive than both of my examples above combined.