is jesus christ being sworn in today?

chiquimonkey

Heineken Helen wrote:

chiquimonkey wrote:

well i just made a point about people 'blindly' flying their flags. you just glossed over it, and it wasn't like it was buried in back pages.

i agree, no point debating here because you just want to hear what you think. i've addressed you enough. enjoy yourself!

ooohh that's funny, I could say your last paragraph to YOU

Sorry for 'ignoring' your wonderful post which, I'm sure, cleared the whole thing up :?

I'd this debate with anyone who wants to discuss it like an adult... thanks for your input though.

i posted more, but go ahead and ignore it. it's probably beyond you.

and i can, and will say, the last line as well, sweetheart.

Heineken Helen

decides2dream wrote:

dear gawd....if you take those seriously...there's no hope. truly. hahahahahahaha.
expressing love of country, patriotism, respect, unity....all sorts of things, you'd have to ask each individual american who flyies their flag why they do so.


and even if others share your opinion...it's STILL opinion!


and alrighty then! who told you not to discuss? i merely questioned why...and now you answered...basically for the fuck of it. gotcha.

why do we talk about ANYTHING? Unless we do something about what we're talking about, we're only discussing it for the fuck of it. Am I wrong???

And you should know, I take very little seriously.

It may be still opinion but it's not just MY opinion... why does it bother you so much that I said something and forgot to put 'IN MY OPINION' after it???

decides2dream

The Jeagler wrote:

Heineken Helen wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

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so you didn't see jaegler's constant posts about how we're anti-american? :? dunno how you could miss them. You say it's your choice for freedom of expression... good for you... but I still fail to see what it is you're expressing?
o.

my "constant posts?" are you fucking nuts helen? i hinted at it in ONE post. then you said you were not. then i dropped it. if your definition of "constant" is one, and a follow up post to defend myself, then i apologize. i just dont see why you and dunk are so preoccupied with what we americans do over here. if you dont care about it, why keep posting and posting and posting about it? i dont get you crazy europeans sometimes

oh, and the fucking point of this whole thread was to talk about the united state's biased media....not some offhanded comment the jeagler made after the fact. you guys are nuts! love ya!

it's a discussion board!!!!
because we can discuss!!!!
you don't need to care about a topic at all to post continually about it!!!!
it's all just because we're on a discussion board to discuss things...no matter the topic.....no matter the cares.......and it doesn't mean anything!!!





btw - i think someone seriously needs to alert ringling bros and barnum bailey circus how arrogant and silly and out of hand insulting they are by calling their circus show 'the greatest show on earth!' how dare they! did they go and see 64,232.0023142 more shows to compare before making that proclamation...insulting countless other circuses?! someone alert the media........


of course, the media is so biased....i think they've been supporting cirque de soleil for years now.......;)

mickeyrat

The Jeagler wrote:

oh, and the fucking point of this whole thread was to talk about the united state's biased media....not some offhanded comment the jeagler made after the fact. you guys are nuts! love ya!

Look what you did, just look at it!!!! 25+ pages, WTF!!!

dunkman

chiquimonkey wrote:

dunkman wrote:

what ever???? now thats serious fucking debating...

well yes, that's ignorant. i'm not arguing that! it's on both sides here.

well i do get a lot of that in threads of this nature.

i dont get the idea of 'tipping'.. so i say so... and i get replies to me after that of "cheap ass scots" and things like that...

i dont get the idea of needing a gun... i say so.,.. i get told america is the freest nation in the world so shut up.

i dont get needless boasting like 'greatest nation in the world.. so i say i dont and we end up with this... a thread in which americans try and tell me its their culture and it does you no harm, so why bother?

i bother because i can...

its a very very rare thing that an american will be on this forum who doesnt like an aspect of their culture and is prepared to say it .. probably for fear of them being labelled unpatriotic... whereas i dont care.. be it scotland or the US... if something doesnt sit right with me, i like to probe it and question why.

british/irish people will say about things in their culture that they dont particulary like... not once would they get a retort from a fellow countryman of being unpatriotic... but an american could and probably has been labelled unpatriotic on here... it was probably Commy but thats cos he questions a lot of things in his society.

Dream, i dont believe anyone has been harmed by bad spelling... but it 'irks' you doesnt it.... so why bother saying about it? why not just do whats being asked of me here... sit back, shut up and say nothing.

The Juggler

mickeyrat wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

oh, and the fucking point of this whole thread was to talk about the united state's biased media....not some offhanded comment the jeagler made after the fact. you guys are nuts! love ya!

Look what you did, just look at it!!!! 25+ pages, WTF!!!

its these crazy europeans man! i'm tellin' ya...

decides2dream

Heineken Helen wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

dear gawd....if you take those seriously...there's no hope. truly. hahahahahahaha.
expressing love of country, patriotism, respect, unity....all sorts of things, you'd have to ask each individual american who flyies their flag why they do so.


and even if others share your opinion...it's STILL opinion!


and alrighty then! who told you not to discuss? i merely questioned why...and now you answered...basically for the fuck of it. gotcha.

why do we talk about ANYTHING? Unless we do something about what we're talking about, we're only discussing it for the fuck of it. Am I wrong???

And you should know, I take very little seriously.

It may be still opinion but it's not just MY opinion... why does it bother you so much that I said something and forgot to put 'IN MY OPINION' after it???

make up your mind....you quote the jeagler as giving lots of anti-american posts...so i assume you are using said comments as 'serious' debate....then you say you take little seriously.....so then, huh? don't put forth a serious argument using things you don't take seriously.



you make a declarative statement that it IS silly, there is NO reason.....people give you reasons...and yet, still not enough...you say more of the same.......so yes, parading opinion as fact, i dislike...always have. dunk should add that to the list he's compiled of things that irk me and that i debate passionately. :P it's not so much that you need to continaully add 'imo'......just not present yours or even others' opinions as something declarative, as if it *proves* it's silly, or serves no purpose/reason...b/c it doesn't. btw - chiqui clearly stated that in the post you missed.

The Juggler

dunkman wrote:

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its a very very rare thing that an american will be on this forum who doesnt like an aspect of their culture and is prepared to say it .
g.

the very purpose of this thread was me, AN AMERICAN, voicing my distaste of AMERICA'S BIASED MEDIA.

ladies and gentlemen...i present to you....the very definition of....IRONY

thanks dunk. you just made my day! hahaha

..oh, and your avatar sucks. sorry!

dunkman

decides2dream wrote:

btw - i think someone seriously needs to alert ringling bros and barnum bailey circus how arrogant and silly and out of hand insulting they are by calling their circus show 'the greatest show on earth!' how dare they! did they go and see 64,232.0023142 more shows to compare before making that proclamation...insulting countless other circuses?! someone alert the media........

personally i'd sue them for that claim. but maybe it is and maybe it isnt the greatest show on earth...

and anyway.. its a silly showbiz slogan... imagine comparing your great nation to a fleet of travelling carnies who perform tricks for money... how unpatriotic of you

soulsinging

Heineken Helen wrote:

chiquimonkey wrote:

Heineken Helen wrote:

when were there any irrational tangents??? Sounds like you're a bit paranoid.

nope, just accurate. comparing flag waving to female circumcision, presuming that americans are all the same. pretty damn irrational.

I didn't do that... nor did dunk. It wasn't a good choice in comparison... but he meant there are things about other countries or cultures that we don't like... and since when is the moving train about sitting back and shutting up. There's been some debating here and that's welcome... but there's also been plenty of 'what's it to you?' and 'you obviously hate america'.

HAHAHAHA... "dunk didn't do that... but when he did it was a bad choice." Only you could type that with a straight face.

decides2dream

dunkman wrote:

chiquimonkey wrote:

dunkman wrote:

what ever???? now thats serious fucking debating...

well yes, that's ignorant. i'm not arguing that! it's on both sides here.

well i do get a lot of that in threads of this nature.

i dont get the idea of 'tipping'.. so i say so... and i get replies to me after that of "cheap ass scots" and things like that...

i dont get the idea of needing a gun... i say so.,.. i get told america is the freest nation in the world so shut up.

i dont get needless boasting like 'greatest nation in the world.. so i say i dont and we end up with this... a thread in which americans try and tell me its their culture and it does you no harm, so why bother?

i bother because i can...

its a very very rare thing that an american will be on this forum who doesnt like an aspect of their culture and is prepared to say it .. probably for fear of them being labelled unpatriotic... whereas i dont care.. be it scotland or the US... if something doesnt sit right with me, i like to probe it and question why.

british/irish people will say about things in their culture that they dont particulary like... not once would they get a retort from a fellow countryman of being unpatriotic... but an american could and probably has been labelled unpatriotic on here... it was probably Commy but thats cos he questions a lot of things in his society.

Dream, i dont believe anyone has been harmed by bad spelling... but it 'irks' you doesnt it.... so why bother saying about it? why not just do whats being asked of me here... sit back, shut up and say nothing.

spare me.

i have CLEARLY stated numerous times over that i think tipping is a ridiculous practice. there are many things about my country and culture that i will criticize, as do many. i don't participate in gun debates b/c i don't see much to debate.....i'm pretty anti-gun.


as to what 'riks' me dunk...i addressed that when you first posted about it....not going to post it for ya again.


this thread was meant to be about media bias.....many times people tried to bring it back to that track...but the flag-waving and god bless america took over....so sure, i weighed in numerous times.....b/c i can. and for the umpteenth time no one is saying to shut up about it, not discuss....we're actually trying to understand WHY it irks you so. i got all the bind patriotism stuff, but ya know...that's a ssuming a lot. i am not blindly patriotic, not in the least. so beyond that point....since we ARE discussing the topic, for me, the point is to gain some understanding as to 'why'.....it is so irksome. i guess i just can't imagine being so 'irked' by something harmless, that has no effect on me...whereas bad spelling adoes effect me, deeply.

Heineken Helen

OK, since americans obviously can't take any slight criticism of their country... well the few of you here anyway... you've managed to take the fun out of any debate... so i'm out of this... you can all stick your flags up your..................... chimney... for all I care

Since you all CARE so much about this debate, there's no point in me being here cos it's not something I care about... I'm gonna go back to discussing cats that look like hitler... cos that makes me CARE.

dunkman

The Jeagler wrote:

dunkman wrote:

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its a very very rare thing that an american will be on this forum who doesnt like an aspect of their culture and is prepared to say it .
g.

the very purpose of this thread was me, AN AMERICAN, voicing my distaste of AMERICA'S BIASED MEDIA.

ladies and gentlemen...i present to you....the very definition of....IRONY

thanks dunk. you just made my day! hahaha

..oh, and your avatar sucks. sorry!

irony? are you Alanis Morisette? :P

your biased media is hardly one of the countries great cultural identities is it?


p.s. our media is actually much better than yours

soulsinging

dunkman wrote:

i've also not asked that it be stopped... just dont get it nor the need to do it.

The problem isn't that you don't get it, the problem is that you refuse to even listen to or attempt to understand what it means to this culture. As when we tried to explain that 'God bless America' is simply a cultural idiom with as much religious meaning as Santa Clause anymore... but when we offer this explanation to help you understand what it means here, you say "no, it clearly means that Americans believe God only cares about the US and says fuck all the rest." Which is as ridiculous as me telling you that the phrase 'taking the piss' means literally that people in Ireland literally try to steal each other's urine.

The Juggler

Heineken Helen wrote:

OK, since americans obviously can't take any slight criticism of their country... well the few of you here anyway... you've managed to take the fun out of any debate... so i'm out of this.RE.

beat it helen!.....by the way, as i just pointed out to dunk, the whole point of me created this thread was to voice my displeasure over my country's biased media, but whatever. have a good weekend!

soulsinging

dunkman wrote:

i counted more than 4.. i also never once saw anyone who had suggested it was FACT.. just their opinion that flying a flag on your own doorstep of the country you live in is just a bit odd... to us... just as grown men chasing a giant circular cheese down a hill in Yorkshire every year is a bit odd... funny, but a bit weird.

i agree with the last sentence though...

You've not said 'just a bit odd.' You've said wrong, pompous and arrogant. I appreciate the obvious fact that you're trying to backpedal now though.

mickeyrat

Heineken Helen wrote:

OK, since americans obviously can't take any slight criticism of their country... well the few of you here anyway... you've managed to take the fun out of any debate... so i'm out of this... you can all stick your flags up your..................... chimney... for all I care quote]
Flagpole will be fine thanks! The fact is there are myriad reasons someone would fly the stars and stripes. Hell , I've even seen someone fly it UPSIDE DOWN. that being a signal that somethings wrong with the situation.

The Juggler

dunkman wrote:

irony? are you Alanis Morisette? :P

your biased media is hardly one of the countries great cultural identities is it?


p.s. our media is actually much better than yours

our media sucks. i hate it. hence the reason for this thread that you and helen hijacked.

nd it greatly affects just about every aspect of our culture. oooohhhh no! dunk! look an american who somehow disagrees with something in his country!!! oh no!!

damn europeans

decides2dream

dunkman wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

btw - i think someone seriously needs to alert ringling bros and barnum bailey circus how arrogant and silly and out of hand insulting they are by calling their circus show 'the greatest show on earth!' how dare they! did they go and see 64,232.0023142 more shows to compare before making that proclamation...insulting countless other circuses?! someone alert the media........

personally i'd sue them for that claim. but maybe it is and maybe it isnt the greatest show on earth...

and anyway.. its a silly showbiz slogan... imagine comparing your great nation to a fleet of travelling carnies who perform tricks for money... how unpatriotic of you

and maybe to some americans, it IS the greatest country on earth. i mean, seriously, it is not a sentiment based on weights and measures. as some have said, it's like saying pearl jam is the greatest band, etc...it is based on emotion more than anything else...or so i have always thought. that's the point. when it's said, in speeches, to fellow americans...it's meant to be unifying, a rally-call, what have you.......i mean, i have not seen a president go and say 'god bless america' to a foreign crowd, etc....it's directed at americans, for americans.


ya know, as ed sings....this is not for you.


so yea.....the flag waving at home, the displays, the anthems, the speeches......not for you. for us. too bad that's not OK with you.



and christ! we can take criticism, but have criticism of something that truly effects anyone! criticize the government, criticize our tipping customs, lack of universal healthcare....ya know......things that actualy impact people's lives. and hey, criticize the flag waving too...but allow the reciprocal courtesy for us to criticize the criticizm. we enjoy it, so fuck it........*waves flag* amazing! debating back is not being able to handle criticizm..i'll have to remember that.

The Juggler

soulsinging wrote:

dunkman wrote:

i counted more than 4.. i also never once saw anyone who had suggested it was FACT.. just their opinion that flying a flag on your own doorstep of the country you live in is just a bit odd... to us... just as grown men chasing a giant circular cheese down a hill in Yorkshire every year is a bit odd... funny, but a bit weird.

i agree with the last sentence though...

You've not said 'just a bit odd.' You've said wrong, pompous and arrogant. I appreciate the obvious fact that you're trying to backpedal now though.

he's been pedaling sideways for a while now...