is jesus christ being sworn in today?

Heineken Helen

soulsinging wrote:

Heineken Helen wrote:

:roll: well easter isn't in August... hmm... neither is paddys day... I've never seen grafton st. decorated in the irish flags... unless you took a picture of 'carrolls tourist shop'? can I see the picture and maybe I can clarify... it might have been some major sporting event... the rugby world cup was on in 2003 but that was November I think.

It's in my photo album from when I was there that summer. I don't have it on my computer, but I count at least 4 scattered around the street.

4? it's a big street. I can tell you there will be one on carrolls store anyway cos that's where the tourists go... and THEY like buying irish flags for some reason. There will be one on Brown Thomas... along with the Canadian flag... cos he's Canadian and she's Irish or something like that... and fuck knows why they feel the need to wave the flag. I don't know where the other two are... perhaps on the westbury cos that's a hotel... fuck knows why hotels feel the need to wave the flag either. Anyway, there are no HOUSES on grafton street... it's the main shopping street.

Heineken Helen

soulsinging wrote:

Heineken Helen wrote:

See my post... where I said it doesn't matter if it's in America, or Ireland or wherever... there's no point flying your own flag in your own country for no particular reason. We know where you're from. Don't go turning this into the usual 'anti-america' thing. I couldn't give a fuck really if people wanna fly their flag in their own home in their own country... but it just makes NO sense.

Ever wear a Pearl Jam shirt to a Pearl Jam concert?

Nope!

I did wear them to some of the first meetups though... as a homing beacon to other pj fans cos we didn't know any of eachother at that time.

Heineken Helen

soulsinging wrote:

Heineken Helen wrote:

we don't... I just deducted the girl is most likely American... we tend to buy the HUGE flags and wear them.

D2D... it makes no sense, not just to me evidently... but to plenty of people according to this thread... so if i were to say 'it makes no sense to me' that would be misleading and making the issue simply about me and MY opinion, which in this case it's not. So thank you but my statement didn't need fixing 8-)

Wrong. It makes no sense to exactly TWO people in this thread... you and dunk, our resident "piss on American patriotism every chance we can possibly get" posters.

You forgot Byrnzie... and even Chime said it was odd... who is about as far from a 'piss on american patriotism every chance she gets' poster.

The Juggler

Heineken Helen wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

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well there you go. i hinted at this earlier with helen and she got a little testy. but you just proved my point. you dont care about flags in general. you, my friend, clearly have a problem with the flag of the united states of america.

you basically just admitted as much.

got a little testy??? :? I don't recall that... and if I did it's cos you're obsessed with this point. Anyone who questions ANY habit or culture or whatever in America is anti-American it's just ridiculous... and lazy arguing.

...well you need to go back and read that post then. i merely insinuated at it, and you did get a wee bit testy. just a weeee bit there helen. but that was the end of it. you said you were not anti american and i took you word for it. but i'm guessing thats not the first time it has been brought up with you though?

chiquimonkey

decides2dream wrote:

btw, this:





is a beautiful picture to me.

i find that to be beautiful as well. and americans shouldn't be shamed into being proud of their heritage just because a handful of europeans can't deal with it.

it occurred to me as i'm sitting here in my office..my windowsill is filled with momentos from other countries, thanks to people i've worked with here in the lab, that have come from all over the world, as well as my own travels.

provided you live in a metropolitan area, you can meet and befriend people from all over the world. and you learn a lot more about their culture than just visiting somewhere for a day or two. now i love travel, but the fact i can have that experience here at home....well that shoots down the lame argument that people here in the states are oblivious to anything outside their borders. are some people clueless? sure. but not everybody. this country is too big to pigeonhole like that.

just wanted to share that. i'm not expecting anything rational in return. now i sit and wait for some random ass comparison between flying a flag and the black plague lol

dunkman

chiquimonkey wrote:

just wanted to share that. i'm not expecting anything rational in return. now i sit and wait for some random ass comparison between flying a flag and the black plague lol

the black plague is over-rated... leprosy is where it's at!

Heineken Helen

The Jeagler wrote:

...well you need to go back and read that post then. i merely insinuated at it, and you did get a wee bit testy. just a weeee bit there helen. but that was the end of it. you said you were not anti american and i took you word for it. but i'm guessing thats not the first time it has been brought up with you though?

I got a wee bit... cos I can question anything about any country and that's fine... but once I even mention an American custom, suddenly I'm Anti-American??? :shock: Fuck, believe it or not, there's some irish stuff that I find weird... does that make me Anti-Irish??? Nope... so enough with that argument. It's not the first time it's been brought up, no, but any of my American friends can testify on my behalf that I'm not anti-american... even my non american friends would say the same. There are plenty of things about america that i love... but, if you're willing to accept that, you have to be willing to accept some slight criticism too.

The Juggler

Heineken Helen wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

...well you need to go back and read that post then. i merely insinuated at it, and you did get a wee bit testy. just a weeee bit there helen. but that was the end of it. you said you were not anti american and i took you word for it. but i'm guessing thats not the first time it has been brought up with you though?

I got a wee bit... .

thank you.

chiquimonkey

dunkman wrote:

chiquimonkey wrote:

just wanted to share that. i'm not expecting anything rational in return. now i sit and wait for some random ass comparison between flying a flag and the black plague lol

the black plague is over-rated... leprosy is where it's at!

i missed the top ten disease list for 2009, damn! :?

Heineken Helen

The Jeagler wrote:

Heineken Helen wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

...well you need to go back and read that post then. i merely insinuated at it, and you did get a wee bit testy. just a weeee bit there helen. but that was the end of it. you said you were not anti american and i took you word for it. but i'm guessing thats not the first time it has been brought up with you though?

I got a wee bit... .

thank you.

for proving that you're obsessed with thinking everyone hates America? :?

ehhh... you're welcome.. I think.

dunkman

Heineken Helen wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

...well you need to go back and read that post then. i merely insinuated at it, and you did get a wee bit testy. just a weeee bit there helen. but that was the end of it. you said you were not anti american and i took you word for it. but i'm guessing thats not the first time it has been brought up with you though?

I got a wee bit... cos I can question anything about any country and that's fine... but once I even mention an American custom, suddenly I'm Anti-American??? :shock: Fuck, believe it or not, there's some irish stuff that I find weird... does that make me Anti-Irish??? Nope... so enough with that argument. It's not the first time it's been brought up, no, but any of my American friends can testify on my behalf that I'm not anti-american... even my non american friends would say the same. There are plenty of things about america that i love... but, if you're willing to accept that, you have to be willing to accept some slight criticism too.

this is what i've learned... you cannot question an american custom... they are sacrosanct.

1. tipping... its plainly idiotic... but i'm not allowed to question it as its an american custom
2. gun laws... same as above
3. flag flying/god bless usa/greatest country in the world... again.. it harms no-one so why question it.


i'm definitely not anti-american... i cant wait to go there later this year... i love my wife#s american family... great fun so they are... i love a lot of things about the US... but i dislike some things to... just as i do with my own country... so i question them. as said before... i'm not a fan of blinkered spoon fed patriotism... it can be dangerous.

chiquimonkey

dunkman wrote:

this is what i've learned... you cannot question an american custom... they are sacrosanct.

1. tipping... its plainly idiotic... but i'm not allowed to question it as its an american custom
2. gun laws... same as above
3. flag flying/god bless usa/greatest country in the world... again.. it harms no-one so why question it.


i'm definitely not anti-american... i cant wait to go there later this year... i love my wife#s american family... great fun so they are... i love a lot of things about the US... but i dislike some things to... just as i do with my own country... so i question them. as said before... i'm not a fan of blinkered spoon fed patriotism... it can be dangerous.

this is what i don't get. who has said you can't question it? you can question all you want....i certainly wouldn't stop anybody from saying what they like. just expect to get challenged on it is all. if you just want to bitch about stuff and not expect a reaction, then just write in a journal or something

i'm glad to hear you aren't anti-american, i was getting the impression you were.

and i'm not a fan of blind patriotism either. extremes aren't good as a rule

Heineken Helen

dunkman wrote:

this is what i've learned... you cannot question an american custom... they are sacrosanct.

1. tipping... its plainly idiotic... but i'm not allowed to question it as its an american custom
2. gun laws... same as above
3. flag flying/god bless usa/greatest country in the world... again.. it harms no-one so why question it.


i'm definitely not anti-american... i cant wait to go there later this year... i love my wife#s american family... great fun so they are... i love a lot of things about the US... but i dislike some things to... just as i do with my own country... so i question them. as said before... i'm not a fan of blinkered spoon fed patriotism... it can be dangerous.

Great post... pretty much sums everything up. It's a pretty pathetic state of affairs really.

chiquimonkey

Heineken Helen wrote:

dunkman wrote:

this is what i've learned... you cannot question an american custom... they are sacrosanct.

1. tipping... its plainly idiotic... but i'm not allowed to question it as its an american custom
2. gun laws... same as above
3. flag flying/god bless usa/greatest country in the world... again.. it harms no-one so why question it.


i'm definitely not anti-american... i cant wait to go there later this year... i love my wife#s american family... great fun so they are... i love a lot of things about the US... but i dislike some things to... just as i do with my own country... so i question them. as said before... i'm not a fan of blinkered spoon fed patriotism... it can be dangerous.

Great post... pretty much sums everything up. It's a pretty pathetic state of affairs really.

actually no, it doesn't sum everything up, as nobody is saying you can't question things. just expect to be challenged on it.

Heineken Helen

chiquimonkey wrote:

Heineken Helen wrote:

dunkman wrote:

this is what i've learned... you cannot question an american custom... they are sacrosanct.

1. tipping... its plainly idiotic... but i'm not allowed to question it as its an american custom
2. gun laws... same as above
3. flag flying/god bless usa/greatest country in the world... again.. it harms no-one so why question it.


i'm definitely not anti-american... i cant wait to go there later this year... i love my wife#s american family... great fun so they are... i love a lot of things about the US... but i dislike some things to... just as i do with my own country... so i question them. as said before... i'm not a fan of blinkered spoon fed patriotism... it can be dangerous.

Great post... pretty much sums everything up. It's a pretty pathetic state of affairs really.

actually no, it doesn't sum everything up, as nobody is saying you can't question things. just expect to be challenged on it.

Oh I do expect to be challenged on it... I also expect loads of lazy arguing ala 'you hate america' and I wasn't let down. Anytime, the above issues are mentioned, it's guaranteed that somebody will call you anti-american... there's a good chance you'll be called anti democratic... and you most likely hate freedom. So yep, dunks post DOES sum it all up.

chiquimonkey

Heineken Helen wrote:

Oh I do expect to be challenged on it... I also expect loads of lazy arguing ala 'you hate america' and I wasn't let down. Anytime, the above issues are mentioned, it's guaranteed that somebody will call you anti-american... there's a good chance you'll be called anti democratic... and you most likely hate freedom. So yep, dunks post DOES sum it all up.

well when people go off on irrational tangents then yes, it's easy to assume they hate america.

i haven't been lazy in any of my arguments i've shared here.

so yeah, it DOESN'T sum it up.

Heineken Helen

chiquimonkey wrote:

Heineken Helen wrote:

Oh I do expect to be challenged on it... I also expect loads of lazy arguing ala 'you hate america' and I wasn't let down. Anytime, the above issues are mentioned, it's guaranteed that somebody will call you anti-american... there's a good chance you'll be called anti democratic... and you most likely hate freedom. So yep, dunks post DOES sum it all up.

well when people go off on irrational tangents then yes, it's easy to assume they hate america.

i haven't been lazy in any of my arguments i've shared here.

so yeah, it DOESN'T sum it up.

when were there any irrational tangents??? Sounds like you're a bit paranoid.

chiquimonkey

Heineken Helen wrote:

chiquimonkey wrote:

Heineken Helen wrote:

Oh I do expect to be challenged on it... I also expect loads of lazy arguing ala 'you hate america' and I wasn't let down. Anytime, the above issues are mentioned, it's guaranteed that somebody will call you anti-american... there's a good chance you'll be called anti democratic... and you most likely hate freedom. So yep, dunks post DOES sum it all up.

well when people go off on irrational tangents then yes, it's easy to assume they hate america.

i haven't been lazy in any of my arguments i've shared here.

so yeah, it DOESN'T sum it up.

when were there any irrational tangents??? Sounds like you're a bit paranoid.

nope, just accurate. comparing flag waving to female circumcision, presuming that americans are all the same. pretty damn irrational.

Heineken Helen

chiquimonkey wrote:

Heineken Helen wrote:

when were there any irrational tangents??? Sounds like you're a bit paranoid.

nope, just accurate. comparing flag waving to female circumcision, presuming that americans are all the same. pretty damn irrational.

I didn't do that... nor did dunk. It wasn't a good choice in comparison... but he meant there are things about other countries or cultures that we don't like... and since when is the moving train about sitting back and shutting up. There's been some debating here and that's welcome... but there's also been plenty of 'what's it to you?' and 'you obviously hate america'.

chiquimonkey

Heineken Helen wrote:

chiquimonkey wrote:

Heineken Helen wrote:

when were there any irrational tangents??? Sounds like you're a bit paranoid.

nope, just accurate. comparing flag waving to female circumcision, presuming that americans are all the same. pretty damn irrational.

I didn't do that... nor did dunk. It wasn't a good choice in comparison... but he meant there are things about other countries or cultures that we don't like... and since when is the moving train about sitting back and shutting up. There's been some debating here and that's welcome... but there's also been plenty of 'what's it to you?' and 'you obviously hate america'.

he did compare it.

dunkman wrote:

its cultural in certain middle eastern countries to let women have their clitoris removed... you ok with that? you dont think it's odd? nonsense? wrong!?

its cultural in india that daughters can be swapped for goats or cattle.. you ok with that? you dont think it's odd? nonsense? wrong!?

its the culture in america to fly the flag, say god bless it and to also think that its the greatest country in the world.. i'm not ok with that, i think its odd, makes no sense and wrong.. wrong as in it promotes blinkered patriotism for patriotism sake.

that is a comparison.

nobody's saying to sit back and shut up. i'm certainly not, and i'm not doing it either. just come to the table with valid arguments. and if you don't, prepare to get called on it.