My thoughts on the "the show has gone downhill" comments are that its what happens when an engaging show starts to let you in on some of its secrets. The show has started to reveal itself and let you behind the curtain, so of course people are going to be alittle less interested when they know the answers. Plus, some people may not agree with the answers or the way in which they were arrived at. Honestly, I have enjoyed the turn the series has taken and evolved into.... and the way it has still stayed true to its original plot and character structures (Jack and Locke being foils, although now Jack being more a man of faith and belief and Locke wanting answers).
I agree, the show had to start giving answers at some point, and some people were going to be dissapointed with them. It takes away some of the mystery. I fthey were still on the island with no answers, the show would have dies long ago. I like this season and last nights episode.
I agree with both of you. Except for a couple episodes - this has been a really solid season.
Here's a couple - Locke doesn't want to be taking orders from Jacob and wants to be the true leader on the island or Jacob is trapped much like how Locke was and in death Locke was released and Locke will do the same for Jacob.
My thoughts on the "the show has gone downhill" comments are that its what happens when an engaging show starts to let you in on some of its secrets. The show has started to reveal itself and let you behind the curtain, so of course people are going to be alittle less interested when they know the answers. Plus, some people may not agree with the answers or the way in which they were arrived at. Honestly, I have enjoyed the turn the series has taken and evolved into.... and the way it has still stayed true to its original plot and character structures (Jack and Locke being foils, although now Jack being more a man of faith and belief and Locke wanting answers).
It has nothing to do with knowing the answers. And what answers have we learned this season?
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My thoughts on the "the show has gone downhill" comments are that its what happens when an engaging show starts to let you in on some of its secrets. The show has started to reveal itself and let you behind the curtain, so of course people are going to be alittle less interested when they know the answers. Plus, some people may not agree with the answers or the way in which they were arrived at. Honestly, I have enjoyed the turn the series has taken and evolved into.... and the way it has still stayed true to its original plot and character structures (Jack and Locke being foils, although now Jack being more a man of faith and belief and Locke wanting answers).
It has nothing to do with knowing the answers. And what answers have we learned this season?
Hmmm the connections between multiple characters and the island mainly Widmore, Eloise, Farraday, Charlotte, Miles... some of the back story of the Dharma initiative as well as the Others on the island....
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To clarify, I still love this show. I think the fact that it set the bar pretty high the first 2 seasons says something about why it sometimes frustrates me. The way it violated the rules for most TV shows with unexpected plot developments and killing off major characters, it has really blown my mind.
Part of the problem is that it's starting to have its own cliches! Like having Daniel make a speech about "any one of us can die"--well, duh, you've killed off Boone, Shannon, Libby, Ana-Lucia, Eko, Charlie, Michael, plus countless red shirts, so I think we've figured that out by now, dude! And if Kate is around you can pretty much count on her screwing things up. :roll:
I liked last night's episode. I think the ones that feature Locke tend to be pretty good. I also hope that Jack is evolving as a character and will possibly do something besides cry about whatever happens. :roll:
Here's a couple - Locke doesn't want to be taking orders from Jacob and wants to be the true leader on the island or Jacob is trapped much like how Locke was and in death Locke was released and Locke will do the same for Jacob.
I was thinking that it was your first theory but your second one is really good. Remember when he met Jacob, Jacob asked Locke to help him.
To clarify, I still love this show. I think the fact that it set the bar pretty high the first 2 seasons says something about why it sometimes frustrates me. The way it violated the rules for most TV shows with unexpected plot developments and killing off major characters, it has really blown my mind.
Part of the problem is that it's starting to have its own cliches! Like having Daniel make a speech about "any one of us can die"--well, duh, you've killed off Boone, Shannon, Libby, Ana-Lucia, Eko, Charlie, Michael, plus countless red shirts, so I think we've figured that out by now, dude! And if Kate is around you can pretty much count on her screwing things up. :roll:
I liked last night's episode. I think the ones that feature Locke tend to be pretty good. I also hope that Jack is evolving as a character and will possibly do something besides cry about whatever happens. :roll:
I agree- they have done a good job making everyone hate kate now. I think the series is ultimatly going to come down to either Jack or Locke. I have a feeling there will be a big death next week with one of the characters.
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They better clear that up before all is said and done. I doubt it'll be next week, but we keep getting little hints, like when Benry said he was " a kind of advisor and he has been for a long time."
My thoughts on the "the show has gone downhill" comments are that its what happens when an engaging show starts to let you in on some of its secrets. The show has started to reveal itself and let you behind the curtain, so of course people are going to be alittle less interested when they know the answers. Plus, some people may not agree with the answers or the way in which they were arrived at. Honestly, I have enjoyed the turn the series has taken and evolved into.... and the way it has still stayed true to its original plot and character structures (Jack and Locke being foils, although now Jack being more a man of faith and belief and Locke wanting answers).
It has nothing to do with knowing the answers. And what answers have we learned this season?
Hmmm the connections between multiple characters and the island mainly Widmore, Eloise, Farraday, Charlotte, Miles... some of the back story of the Dharma initiative as well as the Others on the island....
Connections between characters are not answers. They've been doing that since the show started.
Any backstory on Dharma and the Others that involves any characters from 815 traveling back in time is lame.
What is the four toed statue?
Why can't babies be born on the island?
Why does the island heal people?
What's with Walt? Why did the Others want him?
Why does Richard not age?
These are just some questions off the top of my head. I know many will say they will answer it next season. Maybe. But there will be bad episodes next season where nothing really happens that even those who still love "Lost" will not like and with so little time left to really tackle big questions I wonder what will be explained.
Again, I still hold out hope every episode that it will pull me back in, but it hasn't yet. I didn't think last night's was that great.
see that's the difference between you and me, I can wait for next season or even never to have those questions answered. It would be nice but it wouldn't take away from the way this show has engaged me and encouraged me to look into different scientific areas (whether real, imagined, or improbable) as a viewer over the years.
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I'm not looking forward to what Jack is going to be like in season 6. The plan that Farraday came up with is going to fail and Jack is going to be even more of a bitch because he couldn't save everyone.
I'm not looking forward to what Jack is going to be like in season 6. The plan that Farraday came up with is going to fail and Jack is going to be even more of a bitch because he couldn't save everyone.
Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll blow himself up in the finale.
Even though Kate really bugs me, I have to say I agreed with her about not wanting to detonate an H bomb. I mean, Daniel has not been right about everything. First he says you can't change anything then he says you can. Further, I would have had to ask how in the heck do you detonate it. Is there an EASY button? Seems like it would be more complicated than just a mere switch or a timer........
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I think next week we will get everyone back in the same time, or everyone that survives after what Alpert said last night. I think once they get back together, they will find they really did not change all that much and it has worked out how it was supposed to.I am curious to see what Jacob will be like, if they have more than 10 seconds of screen time for him.
...got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul...
I think next week we will get everyone back in the same time, or everyone that survives after what Alpert said last night. I think once they get back together, they will find they really did not change all that much and it has worked out how it was supposed to.I am curious to see what Jacob will be like, if they have more than 10 seconds of screen time for him.
I read in an article that they're going to show what he was like in the 70's.
It was nice to see Sayid reappear last night.
Hurley not being able to answer Chang's questions was quite funny.
Especially since when they first arrived in the 70s Hurley asked who the President was and Miles told him to shut up I love the little touches like that
Awesome episode. Can't wait to see where the sub ends up.
I think the statue and the shadow of the statue will come more into play next season, probably with the grand finale. Hopefully they'll confront the statue, shadow, walt's powers, the healing powers and 'the island' with one big all encompassing answer (pun unintended :oops: ). They all seem pretty interconnected which is probably why they haven't been explained yet.
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I think next week we will get everyone back in the same time, or everyone that survives after what Alpert said last night. I think once they get back together, they will find they really did not change all that much and it has worked out how it was supposed to.I am curious to see what Jacob will be like, if they have more than 10 seconds of screen time for him.
I read in an article that they're going to show what he was like in the 70's.
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I agree with both of you. Except for a couple episodes - this has been a really solid season.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
Any theories?
the island told him to
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Here's a couple - Locke doesn't want to be taking orders from Jacob and wants to be the true leader on the island or Jacob is trapped much like how Locke was and in death Locke was released and Locke will do the same for Jacob.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
It has nothing to do with knowing the answers. And what answers have we learned this season?
Nice, I hadn't seen that before.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
You all got some good theories, but I think this one is it. I don't like people messing with my stuff either!
Hmmm the connections between multiple characters and the island mainly Widmore, Eloise, Farraday, Charlotte, Miles... some of the back story of the Dharma initiative as well as the Others on the island....
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Part of the problem is that it's starting to have its own cliches! Like having Daniel make a speech about "any one of us can die"--well, duh, you've killed off Boone, Shannon, Libby, Ana-Lucia, Eko, Charlie, Michael, plus countless red shirts, so I think we've figured that out by now, dude! And if Kate is around you can pretty much count on her screwing things up. :roll:
I liked last night's episode. I think the ones that feature Locke tend to be pretty good. I also hope that Jack is evolving as a character and will possibly do something besides cry about whatever happens. :roll:
I agree- they have done a good job making everyone hate kate now. I think the series is ultimatly going to come down to either Jack or Locke. I have a feeling there will be a big death next week with one of the characters.
Hurley not being able to answer Chang's questions was quite funny.
Hey, that's Phil isn't it?
i was hoping to learn more of richard's story.
Connections between characters are not answers. They've been doing that since the show started.
Any backstory on Dharma and the Others that involves any characters from 815 traveling back in time is lame.
What is the four toed statue?
Why can't babies be born on the island?
Why does the island heal people?
What's with Walt? Why did the Others want him?
Why does Richard not age?
These are just some questions off the top of my head. I know many will say they will answer it next season. Maybe. But there will be bad episodes next season where nothing really happens that even those who still love "Lost" will not like and with so little time left to really tackle big questions I wonder what will be explained.
Again, I still hold out hope every episode that it will pull me back in, but it hasn't yet. I didn't think last night's was that great.
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Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll blow himself up in the finale.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
Awesome episode. Can't wait to see where the sub ends up.
I think the statue and the shadow of the statue will come more into play next season, probably with the grand finale. Hopefully they'll confront the statue, shadow, walt's powers, the healing powers and 'the island' with one big all encompassing answer (pun unintended :oops: ). They all seem pretty interconnected which is probably why they haven't been explained yet.
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Jacob in the 70's