Yeah...I think he's being manipulated into go back too.
If that was the case, wouldn't they have tried a bit harder at the church...and wouldn't have let him leave so easily?
That's just storytelling. He'll be back, we already know that he has to. Maybe Ben did something to Penny, so he knows Des will follow him, and he's got it all planned out.
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Maybe I just noticed because I was raised a Catholic...but does anyone else find it unusual that Catholicism plays such a HUGE part in this show?
Des was a monk.
Charlie was Catholic.
Eloise in the church.
Mr. Eko and his stick.
The Virgin Mary statues.
I'm sure there were other examples...but that was off the top of my head (along with my halo).
Of course. To me, that's one of the most annoying parts of the show. I get it in certain respects, but it seems like too much sometimes. If they show Locke in some sort of Christ pose, I'm going to hurl. We get it already!
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But I think we are reading to much into Ben being on the plane.
I don't. Eloise made it quite clear that their return should be as similar as possible to flight 815.
I posted a little earlier on this, I don't think Ben had to be on the plane, unless he was taking the place of someone. I think he is trying to get back on the Island, but he does not need to be. I think only the Oceanic 6 had to be on the plane.
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But I think we are reading to much into Ben being on the plane.
I don't. Eloise made it quite clear that their return should be as similar as possible to flight 815.
I posted a little earlier on this, I don't think Ben had to be on the plane, unless he was taking the place of someone. I think he is trying to get back on the Island, but he does not need to be. I think only the Oceanic 6 had to be on the plane.
Maybe he does. Remember, he was on the island when it time shifted. I think he's just as crucial to getting back as Desmond, Lapidus, Locke and the 06. Seems to make sense to me.
The only thing I'm confused on is why it's ok to only have some of them? Hawking didn't seem overly concerned that they were missing some of the 06? Unless she knew they'd all get on that plane somehow? I really think they all have to be there to set the island right again, and all the other confusing shit (Des walking out, the Aaron mystery, Hawking's weirdness, etc) is just storytelling bs to make it more interesting and confusing to keep the viewer hooked.
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the biggest thing that annoyed me about last nights episode was why didn't jack ask ben what happened to him?! i mean he shows up on the plane all jacked up and in a sling, but jack just sat there like everything was normal! wouldn't that be the first thing out of anyone elses mouths?
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Maybe he does. Remember, he was on the island when it time shifted. I think he's just as crucial to getting back as Desmond, Lapidus, Locke and the 06. Seems to make sense to me.
The only thing I'm confused on is why it's ok to only have some of them? Hawking didn't seem overly concerned that they were all missing? Unless she knew they'd all get on that plane somehow? I really think they all have to be there to set the island right again, and all the other confusing shit (Des walking out, the Aaron mystery, Hawking's weirdness, etc) is just storytelling bs to make it more interesting and confusing to keep the viewer hooked.
Remember that Widmore knows who Mrs. Hawking is. Maybe she knew that he was taking care of the other 3 while Ben did the other two. Things can be completed unless they were all there and both Ben and Widmore know it.
the biggest thing that annoyed me about last nights episode was why didn't jack ask ben what happened to him?! i mean he shows up on the plane all jacked up and in a sling, but jack just sat there like everything was normal! wouldn't that be the first thing out of anyone elses mouths?
Yeah...they were all being weird to eachother. It was just Jack and Ben. Seemed like they all had secrets. Sucks for us, but there's a weird social dynamic going on between them now.
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I don't. Eloise made it quite clear that their return should be as similar as possible to flight 815.
But maybe it's not for the sake of the flight, but rather who is present on the island when they time-shift back to the present.
That brings us back to...what about Aaron?...what about Des?
Des will find his way back. I think Ben made sure of that. I'm sure the bloody face at the marina points to something about Des.
Aaron...who knows? If Kate was freaking out and he's nowhere to be seen, obviously he's gone somewhere. Maybe he was taken and shipped to the island. Kate wouldn't go unless he was taken, I bet.
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Maybe he does. Remember, he was on the island when it time shifted. I think he's just as crucial to getting back as Desmond, Lapidus, Locke and the 06. Seems to make sense to me.
The only thing I'm confused on is why it's ok to only have some of them? Hawking didn't seem overly concerned that they were all missing? Unless she knew they'd all get on that plane somehow? I really think they all have to be there to set the island right again, and all the other confusing shit (Des walking out, the Aaron mystery, Hawking's weirdness, etc) is just storytelling bs to make it more interesting and confusing to keep the viewer hooked.
Remember that Widmore knows who Mrs. Hawking is. Maybe she knew that he was taking care of the other 3 while Ben did the other two. Things can be completed unless they were all there and both Ben and Widmore know it.
But if Ben sent the island through time to escape Widmore, why would he work with him to set it right again? They're mortal enemies.
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But I think we are reading to much into Ben being on the plane.
I don't. Eloise made it quite clear that their return should be as similar as possible to flight 815.
I posted a little earlier on this, I don't think Ben had to be on the plane, unless he was taking the place of someone. I think he is trying to get back on the Island, but he does not need to be. I think only the Oceanic 6 had to be on the plane.
Then, where was Aaron?
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the biggest thing that annoyed me about last nights episode was why didn't jack ask ben what happened to him?! i mean he shows up on the plane all jacked up and in a sling, but jack just sat there like everything was normal! wouldn't that be the first thing out of anyone elses mouths?
Well...uh...it's Ben...Jack's probably just so used to seeing people being pissed at him.
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I don't. Eloise made it quite clear that their return should be as similar as possible to flight 815.
I posted a little earlier on this, I don't think Ben had to be on the plane, unless he was taking the place of someone. I think he is trying to get back on the Island, but he does not need to be. I think only the Oceanic 6 had to be on the plane.
Then, where was Aaron?
lol...it doesn't matter who's on the plane, just who's on the island when they spin the wheel. The rest is storytelling drama. Kate wouldn't have gone unless something happened to Aaron. Well, something happened. I'm positive he's getting to the island, somehow, someway. Probably by Ben's doing. Of course it would be easier if they were all on the plane, but the writers are making us wait and guess and be confused. Don't think about the plane and who has to be on it to get to the island. Think about the end game....correcting the island and avoiding a time paradox (or something).
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Well its clear that they needed to recreate as much of the flight as possible. Definitely a marshal with Sayid, most likely who has ties to the island in some way. Would have been kind of cool if it was Annalucia's mother or something. The marshal actually appears to survive because I thought I saw her on the beach in the preview. My guess, Ben goes and sees Sayid even after being told not to do so. The results, Ben gets his ass kicked, Sayid gets detained and flown to the US military base on Guam. As for Hurley, who knows.
Love it that they brought back Frank Lapidus. Great character!
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This has been bothering me ever since the "Jughead" episode.
If Widmore knows Mrs. Hawkins, why doesn't he use her help to get back to the island?
I mean it seems relatively simple for the O6 to get back but yet Widmore has been trying for many years to get back and the best he did was send a freighter. It just seems odd that he wouldn't have gone to Mrs. Hawkins to figure out a better plan to get back with his resources.
This has been bothering me ever since the "Jughead" episode.
If Widmore knows Mrs. Hawkins, why doesn't he use her help to get back to the island?
I mean it seems relatively simple for the O6 to get back but yet Widmore has been trying for many years to get back and the best he did was send a freighter. It just seems odd that he wouldn't have gone to Mrs. Hawkins to figure out a better plan to get back with his resources.
maybe there was a falling out between the 2.
I don't recall how they know each other... but I'm sure they'll give us a reason he doesn't go to her.
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That's just storytelling. He'll be back, we already know that he has to. Maybe Ben did something to Penny, so he knows Des will follow him, and he's got it all planned out.
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No surprise since the show has basically been based on faith (or belief) or lack there of from the beginning... whether we knew it at the time or not.
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Of course. To me, that's one of the most annoying parts of the show. I get it in certain respects, but it seems like too much sometimes. If they show Locke in some sort of Christ pose, I'm going to hurl. We get it already!
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We had St. Thomas last night
I don't. Eloise made it quite clear that their return should be as similar as possible to flight 815.
But maybe it's not for the sake of the flight, but rather who is present on the island when they time-shift back to the present.
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I posted a little earlier on this, I don't think Ben had to be on the plane, unless he was taking the place of someone. I think he is trying to get back on the Island, but he does not need to be. I think only the Oceanic 6 had to be on the plane.
Maybe he does. Remember, he was on the island when it time shifted. I think he's just as crucial to getting back as Desmond, Lapidus, Locke and the 06. Seems to make sense to me.
The only thing I'm confused on is why it's ok to only have some of them? Hawking didn't seem overly concerned that they were missing some of the 06? Unless she knew they'd all get on that plane somehow? I really think they all have to be there to set the island right again, and all the other confusing shit (Des walking out, the Aaron mystery, Hawking's weirdness, etc) is just storytelling bs to make it more interesting and confusing to keep the viewer hooked.
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That brings us back to...what about Aaron?...what about Des?
Remember that Widmore knows who Mrs. Hawking is. Maybe she knew that he was taking care of the other 3 while Ben did the other two. Things can be completed unless they were all there and both Ben and Widmore know it.
Yeah...they were all being weird to eachother. It was just Jack and Ben. Seemed like they all had secrets. Sucks for us, but there's a weird social dynamic going on between them now.
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GREAT point, chromiam! You always keep me grounded!
Des will find his way back. I think Ben made sure of that. I'm sure the bloody face at the marina points to something about Des.
Aaron...who knows? If Kate was freaking out and he's nowhere to be seen, obviously he's gone somewhere. Maybe he was taken and shipped to the island. Kate wouldn't go unless he was taken, I bet.
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But if Ben sent the island through time to escape Widmore, why would he work with him to set it right again? They're mortal enemies.
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Then, where was Aaron?
Well...uh...it's Ben...Jack's probably just so used to seeing people being pissed at him.
lol...it doesn't matter who's on the plane, just who's on the island when they spin the wheel. The rest is storytelling drama. Kate wouldn't have gone unless something happened to Aaron. Well, something happened. I'm positive he's getting to the island, somehow, someway. Probably by Ben's doing. Of course it would be easier if they were all on the plane, but the writers are making us wait and guess and be confused. Don't think about the plane and who has to be on it to get to the island. Think about the end game....correcting the island and avoiding a time paradox (or something).
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Maybe Aaron was replaced by the nookie session Jack and Kate had the night before. Maybe there needs to be a fetus related to Jack's Dad.
My theory is everyone comes from being related to someone on the Black Rock.
Love it that they brought back Frank Lapidus. Great character!
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Wasn't he walking around the island in tennis shoes. I remember him in white shoes.
If Widmore knows Mrs. Hawkins, why doesn't he use her help to get back to the island?
I mean it seems relatively simple for the O6 to get back but yet Widmore has been trying for many years to get back and the best he did was send a freighter. It just seems odd that he wouldn't have gone to Mrs. Hawkins to figure out a better plan to get back with his resources.
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Yup, he surely was...I'm looking for screen captures at this very moment.
I don't recall how they know each other... but I'm sure they'll give us a reason he doesn't go to her.