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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,714
    This is all crazy talk. The Howard contract is horrendous. The only thing that got me giddy about it is the commitment from the organization to its proven players. But I'm taking Tex, Poop Holes, Fielder, A Gone, Miggy, and possibly Morneau over Howard any day. Howard is a product of this lineup for the most part. Put Howard on Cincy, Pitt, KC, or any other garbage team and no pitcher pitches to him, he doesn't end up with more than 35 homers, and continues to strikeout or hit a home run with even less people on base due to there no being three all stars hitting in front of you. Love Howard, but this is all crazy talk.

    Another spot on post from someone who knows his baseball.
  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    The Fixer wrote:
    Howard 277avg 142hr 49hr. Pujulos 335ang 122rbi 41hr. Tex 297avg 114rbi 33hr. Fielder 283 110 39. Cabrera 318 115 32. Gonzalez 285 100 32. These are each players avgs since 2006. Howard is 6th in avg and 1st in both hrs and rbis. Pujulos is 1st in avg and 2nd in rbis and hrs. Tex is 3rd in avg and 4th in both rbis and hrs. Fielder is 5th in avg and rbis and 3rd in hrs. Cabrera is 2nd in avg 3rd in rbis and tied for 5th in hrs. Gonzalez is 4th in avg 6th in erbis and tied for 5th in hrs. The numbers don't lie albert is the only player who is better then howard at that posotion joey voto is a joke of a comparsion.

    now show their OBP, OPS, and BA vs LH. and we wont even talk about defense.

    If you think howard is a better hitter than cabrera you are delusional

    as for RBI...oh well, I tried. some people will just never get it

    Just fooling around on baseball-reference and calculated these:

    Since 2006:

    BA/OBP/SLG/OPS

    Howard .278/.379/.589/.967
    Pujols .335/.441/.637/1.078
    Tex .296/.390/.548/.938
    Fielder .283/.382/.553/.935
    Cabrera .318/.394/.554/.948
    Gonzalez .285/.369/.515/.884

    I only did against lefties for Howard, Fielder and Gonz as it really doesn't apply to the other 3:

    Howard .232/.321/.461/.782
    Fielder .259/.336/.493/.829
    Gonzalez .249/.321/.438/.759
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,714
    Solat13 wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    Howard 277avg 142hr 49hr. Pujulos 335ang 122rbi 41hr. Tex 297avg 114rbi 33hr. Fielder 283 110 39. Cabrera 318 115 32. Gonzalez 285 100 32. These are each players avgs since 2006. Howard is 6th in avg and 1st in both hrs and rbis. Pujulos is 1st in avg and 2nd in rbis and hrs. Tex is 3rd in avg and 4th in both rbis and hrs. Fielder is 5th in avg and rbis and 3rd in hrs. Cabrera is 2nd in avg 3rd in rbis and tied for 5th in hrs. Gonzalez is 4th in avg 6th in erbis and tied for 5th in hrs. The numbers don't lie albert is the only player who is better then howard at that posotion joey voto is a joke of a comparsion.

    now show their OBP, OPS, and BA vs LH. and we wont even talk about defense.

    If you think howard is a better hitter than cabrera you are delusional

    as for RBI...oh well, I tried. some people will just never get it

    Just fooling around on baseball-reference and calculated these:

    Since 2006:

    BA/OBP/SLG/OPS

    Howard .278/.379/.589/.967
    Pujols .335/.441/.637/1.078
    Tex .296/.390/.548/.938
    Fielder .283/.382/.553/.935
    Cabrera .318/.394/.554/.948
    Gonzalez .285/.369/.515/.884

    I only did against lefties for Howard, Fielder and Gonz as it really doesn't apply to the other 3:

    Howard .232/.321/.461/.782
    Fielder .259/.336/.493/.829
    Gonzalez .249/.321/.438/.759

    All solid numbers, he has declined steadily in almost all of those over the past 3 seasons though
  • jamminpearlsjamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    edited May 2010
    Solat13 wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    Howard 277avg 142hr 49hr. Pujulos 335ang 122rbi 41hr. Tex 297avg 114rbi 33hr. Fielder 283 110 39. Cabrera 318 115 32. Gonzalez 285 100 32. These are each players avgs since 2006. Howard is 6th in avg and 1st in both hrs and rbis. Pujulos is 1st in avg and 2nd in rbis and hrs. Tex is 3rd in avg and 4th in both rbis and hrs. Fielder is 5th in avg and rbis and 3rd in hrs. Cabrera is 2nd in avg 3rd in rbis and tied for 5th in hrs. Gonzalez is 4th in avg 6th in erbis and tied for 5th in hrs. The numbers don't lie albert is the only player who is better then howard at that posotion joey voto is a joke of a comparsion.

    now show their OBP, OPS, and BA vs LH. and we wont even talk about defense.

    If you think howard is a better hitter than cabrera you are delusional

    as for RBI...oh well, I tried. some people will just never get it

    Just fooling around on baseball-reference and calculated these:

    Since 2006:

    BA/OBP/SLG/OPS

    Howard .278/.379/.589/.967
    Pujols .335/.441/.637/1.078
    Tex .296/.390/.548/.938
    Fielder .283/.382/.553/.935
    Cabrera .318/.394/.554/.948
    Gonzalez .285/.369/.515/.884

    I only did against lefties for Howard, Fielder and Gonz as it really doesn't apply to the other 3:

    Howard .232/.321/.461/.782
    Fielder .259/.336/.493/.829
    Gonzalez .249/.321/.438/.759
    Post edited by jamminpearls on
    Go Birds!!!!
  • RW81233RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    Hasn't Fielder gone up in those numbers too? I think he's the forgotten one in this argument. He's basically Ryan Howard but 5-7 years ago - for better, worse, fatter, and more vegetarian.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,714
    So for obp howrds 5th and for slugging and ops he's 2nd.then u add the fact that he's number 1 in hrs and rbi's.

    This is being greatly skewed by his MVP season which was 4 years ago. I tend to look at the past 3 seasons. That looks like this:

    .266 .363 .565 .928
  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    edited May 2010
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    So for obp howrds 5th and for slugging and ops he's 2nd.then u add the fact that he's number 1 in hrs and rbi's.

    This is being greatly skewed by his MVP season which was 4 years ago. I tend to look at the past 3 seasons. That looks like this:

    .266 .363 .565 .928

    From 2007-2009

    Howard .266/.363/.565/.928
    Pujols .337/.444/.626/1.070
    Tex .302/.398/.560/.958
    Fielder .288/.393/.575/.968
    Cabrera .312/.382/.549/.931
    Gonzalez .279/.371/.519/.891
    Post edited by Solat13 on
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,714
    Past 3 seasons:

    Prince: .288 .393 .575 .968
    Tex: .302 .398 .560 .957
    Pujols: .337 .444 .626 1.070
    A-Gon: .279 .371 .519 .891
    Miggy: .312 .382 .549 .931
    Howard: .266 .363 .565 .928
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 16,958
    Know what's crazy about all of this? Is Poop Holes best years still ahead of him? Fucking unreal.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,714
    Know what's crazy about all of this? Is Poop Holes best years still ahead of him? Fucking unreal.

    He is by far, the best baseball player any of us have ever seen.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,525
    The Fixer wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    well he's replacing jroll right now so that makes perfect sense.

    nah, that's little league shit. like guarding the line in the 9th inning with a 1 run lead...something howard failed to do last week that led to the tying run (vs SF). but most fans see he had an RBI in the box score and don't notice that type of stuff

    nope. you missed the sarcasm and i thought i layed it on pretty thick. he's replacing a guy who has made a career at swinging at the first pitch so it's only fitting he has bad at bats too. see where i'm going there?...wait for it...ah yes, there ya go!
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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,423
    Ryan Howard:
    4 full major league seasons - averages of 49.6 home runs and 143 RBIs
    last 3 full major league seasons - averages of 46.6 home runs and 141 RBIs

    and as I mentioned before, 3 division titles, 2 world series appearances, 1 world series title and possibly on the verge of being the greatest 3 year post-season run by a National League team in over 60 years.

    the man is paid to hit home runs and drive in runs and does it at a prodigious rate for a team on a once in a lifetime era of baseball in Philly and possible all of the national league for a 70 year period. NUFF SAID.
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Know what's crazy about all of this? Is Poop Holes best years still ahead of him? Fucking unreal.

    He is by far, the best baseball player any of us have ever seen.
    i disagree with that. i'd take a-rod or king albert over howard anyday. to say howard is the best any one of us have ever seen is just being philly bias. anyone of us would love him on our team but best baseball player we've ever seen, no chance.

    since your such a stats guy go look at howards career ba obp , slg and ops so far and compare it to king alberts. also go check out whose got more mvp's.
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,714
    pjhawks wrote:
    Ryan Howard:
    4 full major league seasons - averages of 49.6 home runs and 143 RBIs
    last 3 full major league seasons - averages of 46.6 home runs and 141 RBIs

    and as I mentioned before, 3 division titles, 2 world series appearances, 1 world series title and possibly on the verge of being the greatest 3 year post-season run by a National League team in over 60 years.

    the man is paid to hit home runs and drive in runs and does it at a prodigious rate for a team on a once in a lifetime era of baseball in Philly and possible all of the national league for a 70 year period. NUFF SAID.

    This says nothing that has not already been stated. Yes, the entire world knows, Ryan Howard is a very good player on an excellent team. This cannot possibly be an argument for why he is better than another player or worth the contract he got.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,714
    metsfan wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Know what's crazy about all of this? Is Poop Holes best years still ahead of him? Fucking unreal.

    He is by far, the best baseball player any of us have ever seen.
    i disagree with that. i'd take a-rod or king albert over howard anyday. to say howard is the best any one of us have ever seen is just being philly bias. anyone of us would love him on our team but best baseball player we've ever seen, no chance.

    since your such a stats guy go look at howards career ba obp , slg and ops so far and compare it to king alberts. also go check out whose got more mvp's.

    Unless I am mistaken, Poop Holes is in reference to Pujols, say them out loud with me.
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    Cliffy6745 wrote:

    Unless I am mistaken, Poop Holes is in reference to Pujols, say them out loud with me.
    my bad

    i'm on my blackberry and didn't zoom in good enough

    :oops:
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 16,958
    AL-BERT POOP-HOLES
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    roberto alomar ... ;)
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 16,958
    polaris_x wrote:
    roberto alomar ... ;)

    Well, now his name doesn't sound anything like poop.
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,423
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:
    Ryan Howard:
    4 full major league seasons - averages of 49.6 home runs and 143 RBIs
    last 3 full major league seasons - averages of 46.6 home runs and 141 RBIs

    and as I mentioned before, 3 division titles, 2 world series appearances, 1 world series title and possibly on the verge of being the greatest 3 year post-season run by a National League team in over 60 years.

    the man is paid to hit home runs and drive in runs and does it at a prodigious rate for a team on a once in a lifetime era of baseball in Philly and possible all of the national league for a 70 year period. NUFF SAID.

    This says nothing that has not already been stated. Yes, the entire world knows, Ryan Howard is a very good player on an excellent team. This cannot possibly be an argument for why he is better than another player or worth the contract he got.

    Isn't winning important along with numbers? I mean the most productive offensive player on a team that is on the verge of the greatest 70 year post-season run for a National League team surely has to hold more weight than a bunch of players with good stats who have yet to win more than one playoff series (Gonzalez, Fielder,etc.) doesn't it? Surely you can't argue winning and his numbers.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,714
    edited May 2010
    pjhawks wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:
    Ryan Howard:
    4 full major league seasons - averages of 49.6 home runs and 143 RBIs
    last 3 full major league seasons - averages of 46.6 home runs and 141 RBIs

    and as I mentioned before, 3 division titles, 2 world series appearances, 1 world series title and possibly on the verge of being the greatest 3 year post-season run by a National League team in over 60 years.

    the man is paid to hit home runs and drive in runs and does it at a prodigious rate for a team on a once in a lifetime era of baseball in Philly and possible all of the national league for a 70 year period. NUFF SAID.

    This says nothing that has not already been stated. Yes, the entire world knows, Ryan Howard is a very good player on an excellent team. This cannot possibly be an argument for why he is better than another player or worth the contract he got.

    Isn't winning important along with numbers? I mean the most productive offensive player on a team that is on the verge of the greatest 70 year post-season run for a National League team surely has to hold more weight than a bunch of players with good stats who have yet to win more than one playoff series (Gonzalez, Fielder,etc.) doesn't it? Surely you can't argue winning and his numbers.

    100% but the Phillies have an excellent team. You put any of those other players on the Phillies and chances are they would have had the same success, if not more.

    Edit: I would take Utley over Howard offensivly any day as well, especially considering the position they play.
    Post edited by Cliffy6745 on
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    pjhawks wrote:

    Isn't winning important along with numbers? I mean the most productive offensive player on a team that is on the verge of the greatest 70 year post-season run for a National League team surely has to hold more weight than a bunch of players with good stats who have yet to win more than one playoff series (Gonzalez, Fielder,etc.) doesn't it? Surely you can't argue winning and his numbers.


    From 1991–2005 the Braves were one of the most successful franchises in baseball, winning division titles an unprecedented 14 consecutive times in that period (omitting the strike-shortened 1994 season in which there were no official division champions). The Braves won the NL West 1991–93 and the NL East 1995–2005. The Braves advanced to the World Series five times in the 1990s, winning the title in 1995


    i don't think the phils will ever top that


    just saying
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    metsfan wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:

    Isn't winning important along with numbers? I mean the most productive offensive player on a team that is on the verge of the greatest 70 year post-season run for a National League team surely has to hold more weight than a bunch of players with good stats who have yet to win more than one playoff series (Gonzalez, Fielder,etc.) doesn't it? Surely you can't argue winning and his numbers.


    From 1991–2005 the Braves were one of the most successful franchises in baseball, winning division titles an unprecedented 14 consecutive times in that period (omitting the strike-shortened 1994 season in which there were no official division champions). The Braves won the NL West 1991–93 and the NL East 1995–2005. The Braves advanced to the World Series five times in the 1990s, winning the title in 1995


    i don't think the phils will ever top that


    just saying

    The Big Red Machine average 98 wins over 7 years with 3 World Series wins, 1 WS loss, and 1 loss in the final game of the NLCS from 70-76 and missed the playoffs with 98 wins in 74.

    That's a pretty impressive run as well.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • RW81233RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    pjhawks wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:
    Ryan Howard:
    4 full major league seasons - averages of 49.6 home runs and 143 RBIs
    last 3 full major league seasons - averages of 46.6 home runs and 141 RBIs

    and as I mentioned before, 3 division titles, 2 world series appearances, 1 world series title and possibly on the verge of being the greatest 3 year post-season run by a National League team in over 60 years.

    the man is paid to hit home runs and drive in runs and does it at a prodigious rate for a team on a once in a lifetime era of baseball in Philly and possible all of the national league for a 70 year period. NUFF SAID.

    This says nothing that has not already been stated. Yes, the entire world knows, Ryan Howard is a very good player on an excellent team. This cannot possibly be an argument for why he is better than another player or worth the contract he got.

    Isn't winning important along with numbers? I mean the most productive offensive player on a team that is on the verge of the greatest 70 year post-season run for a National League team surely has to hold more weight than a bunch of players with good stats who have yet to win more than one playoff series (Gonzalez, Fielder,etc.) doesn't it? Surely you can't argue winning and his numbers.
    I guess that's the point...don't you think that Prince and Gonzalez would do just as well, if not better, in Philly? Would their presence mean the Phils lose in the playoffs? Over the long term? I mean if you sign Prince to that deal NEXT YEAR it gets him for years 28-33 with an option for 34...not 32-37 with an option for 38 (I may be off a year here or there with that). His numbers have risen or stayed constant for the last 3 years while Howard has started to fail, particularly against LHP. Howard has improved in the field and started taking care of his body, but Fielder has too (even going and remaining vegan leading to a significant weight loss and even better hitting numbers). He's every bit the leader that Howard is in the Brewers dugout, and I'm sure he'd do well in Philly. As a Brewer fan I have to admit that I'm looking at this with my own SUBJECTIVE "eye test", but I think Prince has to be considered as a good an individual and team player as Ryan Howard at this point in their respective careers. As for Gonzalez I don't watch him play 120-140 times per year, but he can't be getting this kind of attention for sucking. It's fine if you're arguing for Ryan Howard because he's your guy and he has brought you joy as a Phillies fan for the last 4-5 years, but just because he's been successful on a successful team doesn't mean he's automatically better than other players.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,525
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:

    Isn't winning important along with numbers? I mean the most productive offensive player on a team that is on the verge of the greatest 70 year post-season run for a National League team surely has to hold more weight than a bunch of players with good stats who have yet to win more than one playoff series (Gonzalez, Fielder,etc.) doesn't it? Surely you can't argue winning and his numbers.

    100% but the Phillies have an excellent team. You put any of those other players on the Phillies and chances are they would have had the same success, if not more.

    Edit: I would take Utley over Howard offensivly any day as well, especially considering the position they play.

    you are still not accounting for howard putting the entire team on his shoulders down the stretch each of the last 3 seasons. he has done this at times when the rest of the team were in slumps or not at their best. you cannot accurately predict that any of those other guys would have stepped up in the same way at such crucial moments in a season...this is where you have to look at intangibles not stats.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,525
    metsfan wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:

    Isn't winning important along with numbers? I mean the most productive offensive player on a team that is on the verge of the greatest 70 year post-season run for a National League team surely has to hold more weight than a bunch of players with good stats who have yet to win more than one playoff series (Gonzalez, Fielder,etc.) doesn't it? Surely you can't argue winning and his numbers.


    From 1991–2005 the Braves were one of the most successful franchises in baseball, winning division titles an unprecedented 14 consecutive times in that period (omitting the strike-shortened 1994 season in which there were no official division champions). The Braves won the NL West 1991–93 and the NL East 1995–2005. The Braves advanced to the World Series five times in the 1990s, winning the title in 1995


    i don't think the phils will ever top that


    just saying

    what the reds and cardinals did back in the day was tougher than what the braves did. the nl east is not that great right now, obviously. but it was atrocious for much of the nineties when they had their heyday...which still ultimately culminated in as many world series wins as we already have in the last couple years. its much tough to make it to 3 straight world seires than 5 in a 15 year period.
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 16,958
    Solat13 wrote:
    metsfan wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:

    Isn't winning important along with numbers? I mean the most productive offensive player on a team that is on the verge of the greatest 70 year post-season run for a National League team surely has to hold more weight than a bunch of players with good stats who have yet to win more than one playoff series (Gonzalez, Fielder,etc.) doesn't it? Surely you can't argue winning and his numbers.


    From 1991–2005 the Braves were one of the most successful franchises in baseball, winning division titles an unprecedented 14 consecutive times in that period (omitting the strike-shortened 1994 season in which there were no official division champions). The Braves won the NL West 1991–93 and the NL East 1995–2005. The Braves advanced to the World Series five times in the 1990s, winning the title in 1995


    i don't think the phils will ever top that


    just saying

    The Big Red Machine average 98 wins over 7 years with 3 World Series wins, 1 WS loss, and 1 loss in the final game of the NLCS from 70-76 and missed the playoffs with 98 wins in 74.

    That's a pretty impressive run as well.

    And if the Phils were to make the WS this year(knocking on fucking wood LOUDLY), then this would be an incredible feat in its own, as it hasn't been done by an NL team since the Cardinals of the late 40's.
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    Solat13 wrote:
    The Big Red Machine average 98 wins over 7 years with 3 World Series wins, 1 WS loss, and 1 loss in the final game of the NLCS from 70-76 and missed the playoffs with 98 wins in 74.

    That's a pretty impressive run as well.
    totally forgot bout the big red machine

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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    you are still not accounting for howard putting the entire team on his shoulders down the stretch each of the last 3 seasons. he has done this at times when the rest of the team were in slumps or not at their best. you cannot accurately predict that any of those other guys would have stepped up in the same way at such crucial moments in a season...this is where you have to look at intangibles not stats.

    Obviously you can't account for situations of the team such as where they are in the standings but here are the Sept/Oct numbers for the 6 mentioned earlier the last 3 regular seasons:

    Howard .303/.407/.674/1.081 30HR 88RBI
    Pujols .356/.451/.644/1.095 16HR 71RBI
    Fielder .314/.428/.653/1.081 27HR 65RBI
    Gonzalez .285/.380/.564/.944 21HR 70RBI
    Tex .329/.407/.626/1.033 19HR 64RBI
    Cabrera .310/.394/.526/.920 19HR 70RBI
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
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