***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

The Juggler

jamminpearls wrote:

The trade is official

lil bittersweet. lil bit...odd that i would ever feel like that when acquiring a guy like halladay. but it is what it is. fucking hamels better get his shit together for next year. GO PHILS

chromiam

couple of problems with Mariotti's article:
who is paying Halladay's $16 mil???
since when does spending money guarantee you the WS or even a spot there?? (just ask the Yankees a few years ago)
what's wrong with having flexibility and looking to the future?? I mean how would fans react if the Phils blew their load this season and didn't win the WS, then slowly fell back in the NL East over the next few seasons?? They'd blow their tops.
Read the article by David Murphy at philly.com, where he outlines what the Phils I have tied up in players over the next couple of seasons... its scary how much money is tied into a couple of players after this season.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phil ... ances.html

jamminpearls

The Jeagler wrote:

jamminpearls wrote:

The trade is official

lil bittersweet. lil bit...odd that i would ever feel like that when acquiring a guy like halladay. but it is what it is. fucking hamels better get his shit together for next year. GO PHILS

I feel exactly the way

Jearlpam0925

The Jeagler wrote:

jamminpearls wrote:

The trade is official

lil bittersweet. lil bit...odd that i would ever feel like that when acquiring a guy like halladay. but it is what it is. fucking hamels better get his shit together for next year. GO PHILS

Seriously. This is the biggest part - he better find his testicles over the winter. The only reason I marginally liked the guy is because he was winning. If it's not for that, then all he's got is a face that only a closed fist could love.

Jearlpam0925

chromiam wrote:

couple of problems with Mariotti's article:
who is paying Halladay's $16 mil???
since when does spending money guarantee you the WS or even a spot there?? (just ask the Yankees a few years ago)
what's wrong with having flexibility and looking to the future?? I mean how would fans react if the Phils blew their load this season and didn't win the WS, then slowly fell back in the NL East over the next few seasons?? They'd blow their tops.
Read the article by David Murphy at philly.com, where he outlines what the Phils I have tied up in players over the next couple of seasons... its scary how much money is tied into a couple of players after this season.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phil ... ances.html

What's scarier is how many players we DON'T have committed past 2011.

chromiam

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

chromiam wrote:

couple of problems with Mariotti's article:
who is paying Halladay's $16 mil???
since when does spending money guarantee you the WS or even a spot there?? (just ask the Yankees a few years ago)
what's wrong with having flexibility and looking to the future?? I mean how would fans react if the Phils blew their load this season and didn't win the WS, then slowly fell back in the NL East over the next few seasons?? They'd blow their tops.
Read the article by David Murphy at philly.com, where he outlines what the Phils I have tied up in players over the next couple of seasons... its scary how much money is tied into a couple of players after this season.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phil ... ances.html

What's scarier is how many players we DON'T have committed past 2011.

Yeah that's more what I meant, but I think its sort of the nature of baseball right now...

pjhawks

The Jeagler wrote:

jamminpearls wrote:

The trade is official

lil bittersweet. lil bit...odd that i would ever feel like that when acquiring a guy like halladay. but it is what it is. fucking hamels better get his shit together for next year. GO PHILS

why bittersweet? is it because you held out a dream of Lee and Halladay together? that was never a reality. Halladay for 3-4 years is way better than Lee for one. The only question for Amaro is why Drabek and Taylor now and not in June-July? This is a great trade as it gives the Phils a legitimate chance for 3 more years. People act like they didn't come close this year - we took it to game freakin 6 people - it's not like the Yankees totally smoked us - we are still by far the best team in the NL.

Jearlpam0925

chromiam wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

chromiam wrote:

couple of problems with Mariotti's article:
who is paying Halladay's $16 mil???
since when does spending money guarantee you the WS or even a spot there?? (just ask the Yankees a few years ago)
what's wrong with having flexibility and looking to the future?? I mean how would fans react if the Phils blew their load this season and didn't win the WS, then slowly fell back in the NL East over the next few seasons?? They'd blow their tops.
Read the article by David Murphy at philly.com, where he outlines what the Phils I have tied up in players over the next couple of seasons... its scary how much money is tied into a couple of players after this season.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phil ... ances.html

What's scarier is how many players we DON'T have committed past 2011.

Yeah that's more what I meant, but I think its sort of the nature of baseball right now...

True. Just read an interesting comment on ESPN that pretty much summed this whole thing up for me: "Do you guys understand how good Halladay is? I really can't believe that ANYBODY doesn't see how good this deal is for the Phillies. I'm sure you're the same people who were ripping Amaro last year for getting Lee INSTEAD of Halladay."

That'd be interesting to see. All the schmucks that were blasting RAJ for trading for Lee instead of Doc. All I know is - In Amaro I Trust.

The Juggler

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

chromiam wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

What's scarier is how many players we DON'T have committed past 2011.

Yeah that's more what I meant, but I think its sort of the nature of baseball right now...

True. Just read an interesting comment on ESPN that pretty much summed this whole thing up for me: "Do you guys understand how good Halladay is? I really can't believe that ANYBODY doesn't see how good this deal is for the Phillies. I'm sure you're the same people who were ripping Amaro last year for getting Lee INSTEAD of Halladay."

That'd be interesting to see. All the schmucks that were blasting RAJ for trading for Lee instead of Doc. All I know is - In Amaro I Trust.

well they are schmucks if that is what their argument is. most people i talk to are upset we didnt get both. most people who know what they are talking about realize halladay's the better pitcher. its the whole--going all in for just one year that people are frustrated over.

Jearlpam0925

The Jeagler wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

chromiam wrote:

Yeah that's more what I meant, but I think its sort of the nature of baseball right now...

True. Just read an interesting comment on ESPN that pretty much summed this whole thing up for me: "Do you guys understand how good Halladay is? I really can't believe that ANYBODY doesn't see how good this deal is for the Phillies. I'm sure you're the same people who were ripping Amaro last year for getting Lee INSTEAD of Halladay."

That'd be interesting to see. All the schmucks that were blasting RAJ for trading for Lee instead of Doc. All I know is - In Amaro I Trust.

well they are schmucks if that is what their argument is. most people i talk to are upset we didnt get both. most people who know what they are talking about realize halladay's the better pitcher. its the whole--going all in for just one year that people are frustrated over.

In a perfect world, Jeags....In a perfect world.

Jearlpam0925

Oh, and Gillies is 30% deaf in one ear and 60% deaf in the other. How bout that.

And I watched video of Aumont throwing last night. He'd be a great incumbent to the set up role or closer down the road if he can stay healthy. Nasty stuff.

The Juggler

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Oh, and Gillies is 30% deaf in one ear and 60% deaf in the other. How bout that.

And I watched video of Aumont throwing last night. He'd be a great incumbent to the set up role or closer down the road if he can stay healthy. Nasty stuff.

i was watching video of gillies. he is one speedy mother f'er. looked like michael bourne beating out a bunt and stealing 2nd...

The Juggler

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

well they are schmucks if that is what their argument is. most people i talk to are upset we didnt get both. most people who know what they are talking about realize halladay's the better pitcher. its the whole--going all in for just one year that people are frustrated over.

In a perfect world, Jeags....In a perfect world.

or a world where ruben amaro didnt give jaime moyer 16 million for 2 seasons...

Jearlpam0925

The Jeagler wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

In a perfect world, Jeags....In a perfect world.

or a world where ruben amaro didnt give jaime moyer 16 million for 2 seasons...

True, but Amaro's hitting like .750(letting Burrell go & signing Raul, trading for Lee then Doc, letting WT Myers go) right now with all the moves he made, so I'm cool.

Jearlpam0925

Hahahahahahahhaa....so Ryan and his bro were at the Sixers game - not to mention Doc as well - and they labeled Ry's brother as, well...here ya go...ahahahhaha



Apparently every Philly athlete not playing hoops was there...D Jax, the real Leonard Weaver, RyHo, Mike Richard, Riley Cote, Dan Carcillo...

booomm11

We can't all be GM's

just support the team

booomm11

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Hahahahahahahhaa....so Ryan and his bro were at the Sixers game - not to mention Doc as well - and they labeled Ry's brother as, well...here ya go...ahahahhaha



Apparently every Philly athlete not playing hoops was there...D Jax, the real Leonard Weaver, RyHo, Mike Richard, Riley Cote, Dan Carcillo...

The Juggler

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

In a perfect world, Jeags....In a perfect world.

or a world where ruben amaro didnt give jaime moyer 16 million for 2 seasons...

True, but Amaro's hitting like .750(letting Burrell go & signing Raul, trading for Lee then Doc, letting WT Myers go) right now with all the moves he made, so I'm cool.

.750?
he overpaid for raul, signed moyer to a god awful deal, and failed to find some decent help off the bench last year which came back to haunt us in the ws. letting burrell and myers go were givens.

Jearlpam0925

The Jeagler wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

or a world where ruben amaro didnt give jaime moyer 16 million for 2 seasons...

True, but Amaro's hitting like .750(letting Burrell go & signing Raul, trading for Lee then Doc, letting WT Myers go) right now with all the moves he made, so I'm cool.

.750?
he overpaid for raul, signed moyer to a god awful deal, and failed to find some decent help off the bench last year which came back to haunt us in the ws. letting burrell and myers go were givens.

He overpaid for Raul? You gotta be kidding me. I'm sure you weren't saying that before he got injured. He made 7+ mil last year and averages 10 per over 3 seasons. The man drove in over 90 RBI's, hit over 30 HR's, scored nearly over 90 runs, had an OPS 70 points higher from his career average, was MVP of the NL for the first half of the season, and fought through an abdominal injury all while doing it in the second half. Burrell made over 15 mil the year previous compared to Raul's 7+ mil. Yeah, I think the pros outweigh the cons. Anytime a player can drive in nearly 100 runs and score nearly 100 runs, that in itself is invaluable. The man's a CAREER .300 hitter. Yeah, I think they did alright there. And letting someone like Myers go is not precedent for this organization(not even offering a cheaper deal due to injuries because they don't let home grown talent just walk away.). The bench was pretty much the same as it was in '08. They were hurt down the road(after the trade deadline) due to illness and injury. And the bench they have now is much better than it was last year. My point is Amaro's doing just as much, if not more, than Gillick did before him to sustain a winner. And there's more I can support in his tenure than I can criticize.

The Juggler

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

.750?
he overpaid for raul, signed moyer to a god awful deal, and failed to find some decent help off the bench last year which came back to haunt us in the ws. letting burrell and myers go were givens.

He overpaid for Raul? You gotta be kidding me. I'm sure you weren't saying that before he got injured. He made 7+ mil last year and averages 10 per over 3 seasons. The man drove in over 90 RBI's, hit over 30 HR's, scored nearly over 90 runs, had an OPS 70 points higher from his career average, was MVP of the NL for the first half of the season, and fought through an abdominal injury all while doing it in the second half. Burrell made over 15 mil the year previous compared to Raul's 7+ mil. Yeah, I think the pros outweigh the cons. Anytime a player can drive in nearly 100 runs and score nearly 100 runs, that in itself is invaluable. The man's a CAREER .300 hitter. Yeah, I think they did alright there. And letting someone like Myers go is not precedent for this organization(not even offering a cheaper deal due to injuries because they don't let home grown talent just walk away.). The bench was pretty much the same as it was in '08. They were hurt down the road(after the trade deadline) due to illness and injury. And the bench they have now is much better than it was last year. My point is Amaro's doing just as much, if not more, than Gillick did before him to sustain a winner. And there's more I can support in his tenure than I can criticize.

i'm not as high on ibanez as most people are. never was. what did he hit, 220 the 2nd half the season? i know he was battling an injury...but that's what you get with an aging vet. you get hurt, it takes longer to recover. next year his numbers will only be worse. you can go back in this thread and see i said the same thing last year. said the same thing about moyer last year as well.

i disagree on myers. he's been hurt a lot, beats his wife, and and hasn't had a productive full season in years. makes sense to let him walk and test the waters...i do think they might bring him back if he's still unsigned in a month or so though.

and with the bench--completely disagree. how was the bench better in 09 than it was in 08 or 07? some of the players were the same but they were not producing like they were. gillick was great at recognizing that and finding guys who could produce (stairs in '08). if gillick were the gm, i'd bet he would have cut stairs and picked up someone else at the deadline. you can't have ben francisco (i know ibanez dh'd but ben was his replacement) as your dh in the world series.

look, i like amaro. i think he's done a nice job. i just think you might be looking at him with red colored goggles here. he's done a nice job. but he's also made mistakes. mistakes that lead to us not being able to have one of the best rotations in the history of the universe! the whole universe!