***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

Cliffy6745

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Well, he is better than AJ though, so he deserves that kind of money. I just don't see where Anaheim improves if they let him AND Figgins walk.

I completely disagree. AJ has him beat in almost every statistic and I can't believe I am going to say this is more durable.

Last 2 Seasons:
AJ: 428 IP, 8.6 WAR
Lackey: 339.2 IP, 5.9 WAR

booomm11

Blow this thread up... it's over!!

Don't give up the farm for Roy.

unless you trade Hamels straight up

Jearlpam0925

booomm11 wrote:

Blow this thread up... it's over!!

Don't give up the farm for Roy.

unless you trade Hamels straight up

Nah. Just change the title. Petrocs - get on it.

No trading Hamels for Halladay straight up. Enough of this talk. Especially because it's not happening.

booomm11

I know it's crazy talk. You think Drabek will get a shot this year?

Jearlpam0925

booomm11 wrote:

I know it's crazy talk. You think Drabek will get a shot this year?

Yeah, definitely. He'll start in spring training on the 40 man I'm sure, go down to AAA at Lehigh, then probably take over Moyer's 5th spot in the rotation at some point between July and September.

Jearlpam0925

Rollins, Victorino retain Gold Gloves

Shortstop Jimmy Rollins and outfielder Shane Victorino found themselves in rare company Wednesday when they picked up Rawlings Gold Glove Awards. Rollins is the first National League shortstop to win three consecutive Gold Gloves since Rey Ordonez in 1997-99 and Victorino is the first Phillies outfielder to win consecutive Gold Gloves since Garry Maddox won eight straight from 1975-82.

petrocs

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

booomm11 wrote:

Blow this thread up... it's over!!

Don't give up the farm for Roy.

unless you trade Hamels straight up

Nah. Just change the title. Petrocs - get on it.

No trading Hamels for Halladay straight up. Enough of this talk. Especially because it's not happening.

No effn way...we are and will always be the 2009 World Champions

But I'll change it for prosperity sake

eeriepadave

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Rollins, Victorino retain Gold Gloves

Shortstop Jimmy Rollins and outfielder Shane Victorino found themselves in rare company Wednesday when they picked up Rawlings Gold Glove Awards. Rollins is the first National League shortstop to win three consecutive Gold Gloves since Rey Ordonez in 1997-99 and Victorino is the first Phillies outfielder to win consecutive Gold Gloves since Garry Maddox won eight straight from 1975-82.

:thumbup:

Phantom Pain

Derosa

Per Fox Sports, out of the dozen teams interested he is expected to sign with the Phils

hmmmm

Jearlpam0925

Phantom Pain wrote:

Per Fox Sports, out of the dozen teams interested he is expected to sign with the Phils

hmmmm

Who?

Phantom Pain

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Phantom Pain wrote:

Per Fox Sports, out of the dozen teams interested he is expected to sign with the Phils

hmmmm

Who?

Derosa

I just edited the original post

Jearlpam0925

Phantom Pain wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Phantom Pain wrote:

Per Fox Sports, out of the dozen teams interested he is expected to sign with the Phils

hmmmm

Who?

Derosa

I just edited the original post

Let's hope. He's such a perfect fit here. And let's hope for no major injuries.

petrocs

I would have no problem with getting DeRosa as long as they bring in some pitching help and a friggin bench!

Jearlpam0925

petrocs wrote:

I would have no problem with getting DeRosa as long as they bring in some pitching help and a friggin bench!

That's the list of priorities - 3rds, bullpen, bench.

petrocs

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

petrocs wrote:

I would have no problem with getting DeRosa as long as they bring in some pitching help and a friggin bench!

That's the list of priorities - 3rds, bullpen, bench.

Yeah but starting pitching is also a need no matter what they say

Hamels (bounce back?)
Lee (continue his dominance or wind up like Hamels from last year)
Happ (sophmore slump?)
Blanton (can he give us 7 quality for 85% or more of his starts?)
Moyer/Kendrick/Drabeck/Martinez? (could be interesting to see how this unfolds)

I know I'd personally love to have Halliday at the top but I dont see it happeneing at this point

Jearlpam0925

petrocs wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

petrocs wrote:

I would have no problem with getting DeRosa as long as they bring in some pitching help and a friggin bench!

That's the list of priorities - 3rds, bullpen, bench.

Yeah but starting pitching is also a need no matter what they say

Hamels (bounce back?)
Lee (continue his dominance or wind up like Hamels from last year)
Happ (sophmore slump?)
Blanton (can he give us 7 quality for 85% or more of his starts?)
Moyer/Kendrick/Drabeck/Martinez? (could be interesting to see how this unfolds)

I know I'd personally love to have Halliday at the top but I dont see it happeneing at this point

You're freaking out about the starting pitching. The least of my worries right now.

chromiam

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

petrocs wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

That's the list of priorities - 3rds, bullpen, bench.

Yeah but starting pitching is also a need no matter what they say

Hamels (bounce back?)
Lee (continue his dominance or wind up like Hamels from last year)
Happ (sophmore slump?)
Blanton (can he give us 7 quality for 85% or more of his starts?)
Moyer/Kendrick/Drabeck/Martinez? (could be interesting to see how this unfolds)

I know I'd personally love to have Halliday at the top but I dont see it happeneing at this point

You're freaking out about the starting pitching. The least of my worries right now.

Exactly... the starting pitching will work itself out.
Moyer and Kendrick will vie for 5th starter and Drabek will be a mid season call up if he pitches well.

The Juggler

personally, i don't think derosa is THAT much more of an upgrade than pedro feliz. if this is the direction we're going, i'd like to see them sign both and use derosa as a super utility guy to spell utley and rollins. i'm guessing the money would not work for that. i'm just not as down on feliz as everyone else is. he had a horrible post season but the man is a fucking vacuum at 3rd. last year derosa had much better power numbers and obp was about 10 pts higher...but feliz had him beat in average and run production. feliz had 82 rib's from the 7th spot in the lineup. another thing to consider in a lineup that strikes out A TON is that derosa struck out 121 times last year to pedro's 68. we're getting some more power...and some more holes in the lineup here.

to me, getting derosa and losing feliz means you will upgrade a little at the plate, but lose quite a bit in the field. and they're the same age too. i dunno...

with this lineup, i don't think this is worth it. i'd rather have a guy who is excellent at 3rd (gold fucking glove worthy) and average (albeit, below average at times) at the plate, then a guy who has never played more than 63 games at third in the season and is a average at the plate.

Jearlpam0925

The Jeagler wrote:

personally, i don't think derosa is THAT much more of an upgrade than pedro feliz. if this is the direction we're going, i'd like to see them sign both and use derosa as a super utility guy to spell utley and rollins. i'm guessing the money would not work for that. i'm just not as down on feliz as everyone else is. he had a horrible post season but the man is a fucking vacuum at 3rd. last year derosa had much better power numbers and obp was about 10 pts higher...but feliz had him beat in average and run production. feliz had 82 rib's from the 7th spot in the lineup. another thing to consider in a lineup that strikes out A TON is that derosa struck out 121 times last year to pedro's 68. we're getting some more power...and some more holes in the lineup here.

to me, getting derosa and losing feliz means you will upgrade a little at the plate, but lose quite a bit in the field. and they're the same age too. i dunno...

with this lineup, i don't think this is worth it. i'd rather have a guy who is excellent at 3rd (gold fucking glove worthy) and average (albeit, below average at times) at the plate, then a guy who has never played more than 63 games at third in the season and is a average at the plate.

Derosa's avg. was only hurt from the injury. His career avg., hr, rbi, OBP, and - the biggest thing to me - his total of RBI's and runs scored are far better than Feliz's. Derosa is a flat out baller in the terms of a ballplayer - he's atypical. Not to mention, he'd be a huge favorite here. I'd go Derosa or Beltre, either one of them. You need more offensive production out of your corner fielder. Of course Feliz is solid out at 3rd, but it's not worth 5.5 when you can get Derosa with far more offensive production in the 7 hole for a tad more. The point of this move, or whom ever they put at 3rd, is to make your bottom of your lineup not a black hole.

The Juggler

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

personally, i don't think derosa is THAT much more of an upgrade than pedro feliz. if this is the direction we're going, i'd like to see them sign both and use derosa as a super utility guy to spell utley and rollins. i'm guessing the money would not work for that. i'm just not as down on feliz as everyone else is. he had a horrible post season but the man is a fucking vacuum at 3rd. last year derosa had much better power numbers and obp was about 10 pts higher...but feliz had him beat in average and run production. feliz had 82 rib's from the 7th spot in the lineup. another thing to consider in a lineup that strikes out A TON is that derosa struck out 121 times last year to pedro's 68. we're getting some more power...and some more holes in the lineup here.

to me, getting derosa and losing feliz means you will upgrade a little at the plate, but lose quite a bit in the field. and they're the same age too. i dunno...

with this lineup, i don't think this is worth it. i'd rather have a guy who is excellent at 3rd (gold fucking glove worthy) and average (albeit, below average at times) at the plate, then a guy who has never played more than 63 games at third in the season and is a average at the plate.

Derosa's avg. was only hurt from the injury. His career avg., hr, rbi, OBP, and - the biggest thing to me - his total of RBI's and runs scored are far better than Feliz's. Derosa is a flat out baller in the terms of a ballplayer - he's atypical. Not to mention, he'd be a huge favorite here. I'd go Derosa or Beltre, either one of them. You need more offensive production out of your corner fielder. Of course Feliz is solid out at 3rd, but it's not worth 5.5 when you can get Derosa with far more offensive production in the 7 hole for a tad more. The point of this move, or whom ever they put at 3rd, is to make your bottom of your lineup not a black hole.

here is their season averages:
FELIZ:
YEARS G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
7.19 162 535 63 136 27 3 19 78 30 86 2 2 .254 .293 .422 .715

DEROSA:
YEARS G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
6.37 162 497 76 136 27 2 14 68 47 95 3 2 .275 .343 .424 .767

you cannot tell me that is a HUGE upgrade. and then you factor in the defense and the fact that derosa has never played a full season at 3rd base...i dunno man. this does not seem like that great a move to me. feliz may have been a black hole in the playoffs, but he batted 266, with 80 some rbi's and only struck out 68 times last year. that's far from a black hole in your 7 spot...especially if ruiz continues to improve offensively.

personally, if feliz is not coming back, i'd go after tejada. sure he will cost more but you can probably just get him on a 2 year deal which is all we need anyway (9M per probably?). the guy's actually played full season's at 3rd the last few years and is a lifetime .289 hitter. he's older. but again, if you can get him for just 2 years, i think it would be worth it. derosa, to me, seems like he's be more valuable off the bench.