***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

Jearlpam0925

Petrocs - change the title of the thread.

And Myers is gone... http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phi ... eason.html

My favorite part - "I’ll miss the guys on the team and the fans who have supported me. Hopefully I’ll be playing against the Phillies and when I do I want the roughest treatment the fans can give me – when I’m pitching. I’m an opposing player – you have to give it to me." He gets it.

eeriepadave

Myers is gone? :( I liked him. Wonder if we'll see Moyer next year?

On the bright side heard they re signed Cliff Lee

The Juggler

1 million people for that parade up there...1 fucking million. at least we know how to appreciate a winner

Wobbie

The Jeagler wrote:

1 million people for that parade up there...1 fucking million. at least we know how to appreciate a winner

...and some piss poor one-liners! :roll: :roll:

Jearlpam0925

This is how I would treat the roster for next year ....

Returning players that are either contractually going to be back, or that they need to re-sign..
Non-pitchers:

Starters-
Rollins
Victorino
Utley
Howard
Werth
Ibanez
Ruiz

Bench-
Francisco
Stairs
Dobbs
Bako

Pitchers:
Rotation-
1.Lee
2.Hamels
3.Blanton
4.Happ
5.Moyer half the season/Bring up Drabek
'Pen-
Chan Ho
Madson
Lidge
Romero
Eyre
Durbin


Spots open - Third base, utility player, and relief. This is how I'd address those spots...

First and foremost, CHONE FIGGINS. LOVE this guy. Wouldn't be too much of a drop off defensively from Feliz, hits .300 consistently, won't cost a ton more compared to Pedro(Pedro would be 5.5, whereas Chone would probably cost around8/9), and you can have a true lead off hitter or even have an excellent choice in the 7 hole. If you pull the trigger on him, then I'd try to get Mark DeRosa as super-utility player, but in all reality that wouldn't happen so I'd go after Marco Scutaro to be your back-up for Rollins/Utley. Then, address the bullpen - you need a guy who's a shut down set-up man with a chance to take over for Lidge if he still shits the bed. That's why I would go with Fernando Rodney. If you can't get Figgins then I'd go with DeRosa as your 3rd baseman. Penn grad, can play any position, consistently hits 20+ HR's, and I think he rebounds from the surgery which should give you a little more of an advantage in negotiating a contract as opposed to what he would've demanded if he had an injury-free season.

According to Phils brass, as long as we're going through the turnstiles(at a record higher than '08, which they didn't think was possible), they will be able to raise payroll. Now, I don't think they're going to necessarily raise it greatly - maybe 8-9 mil? Along with 20 mil coming off the books with Eaton, Jenkins, & Thome, and the amount of money you were spending on Myers(12 mil?), you'll be able to pay arbitrations and still have enough to make the above happen.

And if there really is any legitimacy to returning to trade talks for Halladay, then oh man, I may - just may - have male panty puddles.

Can't wait to make another trip down to Clearwater in March for St. Patty's Day! Fittingly enough they're playing the Yanks. Nice.

Watched the AFL All-Star game last night.....Dom Brown looks like he's going to be a beast. 6'6" or 6'7" with power, speed, and a rocket arm. Looks like the next Strawberry - the playing style, NOT drug habit style.

Jearlpam0925

So far I'm right about Feliz......Ruben, just do as I say and everything will be fine.

PureandEasy

I'm not sure I like the Feliz move, great defensive third baseman are not a dime a dozen in this league

Jearlpam0925

PureandEasy wrote:

I'm not sure I like the Feliz move, great defensive third baseman are not a dime a dozen in this league

No, but the few that are in that dozen are out there this year. Namely, Chone Figgins. Get him.

The great thing about this is - and I think the Phils organization are actually recognizing it - we are no longer trying to stay competitive or compare ourselves to the best in the NL East, or even the NL for that matter. It's now the best of the AL we are trying to equate ourselves. I'm starting to like the change in philosophy that I think I'm seeing. I cannot reiterate "think" enough.

PureandEasy

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

PureandEasy wrote:

I'm not sure I like the Feliz move, great defensive third baseman are not a dime a dozen in this league

I'm starting to like the change in philosophy that I think I'm seeing. I cannot reiterate "think" enough.

that made me laugh out loud.

Cliffy6745

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

No, but the few that are in that dozen are out there this year. Namely, Chone Figgins. Get him.

If the Phillies get Figgins it would be close to a toss up on which left side of the infield I hate more. Rollins and Figgins or Pedroia and Youklis

jimed14

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

No, but the few that are in that dozen are out there this year. Namely, Chone Figgins. Get him.

If the Phillies get Figgins it would be close to a toss up on which left side of the infield I hate more. Rollins and Figgins or Pedroia and Youklis

Pedroia plays second base ... and Youk plays more 1st base with Lowell at 3rd.

Cliffy6745

jimed14 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

No, but the few that are in that dozen are out there this year. Namely, Chone Figgins. Get him.

If the Phillies get Figgins it would be close to a toss up on which left side of the infield I hate more. Rollins and Figgins or Pedroia and Youklis

Pedroia plays second base.

Haha good point. I am a moron

Jearlpam0925

Of course this has to be the first thing on the "cover" of philly.com..........

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/200 ... laday.html

I don't need to be teased like this!

petrocs

Halliday
Lee
Hamels
Drabek
Happ

I think i just jizzed

Cliffy6745

petrocs wrote:

Halliday
Lee
Hamels
Drabek
Happ

I think i just jizzed

How would the Phillies get Halladay without giving up Drabek or Happ?

Secondly and I am curious on your opinions on this. The Phillies would seemingly have to give away the farm to acquire Lee and now Halladay. The Phillies would have almost no possibility of signing both of them long term past next year. What would happen after next season, you would have one star pitcher (assuming they could only sign one) and almost no farm system? Is it worth it?

Solat13

I'm curious to hear how the Phils can get Halladay without trading Happ or Drabek.

I'm also wondering if the Phils will trade either Victorino or Werth. Werth is a free agent after next year and Victorino 2 years away.

I can't see them keeping both in unless they buy Rollins out after next season.

Jearlpam0925

Cliffy6745 wrote:

petrocs wrote:

Halliday
Lee
Hamels
Drabek
Happ

I think i just jizzed

How would the Phillies get Halladay without giving up Drabek or Happ?

Secondly and I am curious on your opinions on this. The Phillies would seemingly have to give away the farm to acquire Lee and now Halladay. The Phillies would have almost no possibility of signing both of them long term past next year. What would happen after next season, you would have one star pitcher (assuming they could only sign one) and almost no farm system? Is it worth it?

The word on the street is you trade for Halladay and sign him to a long term deal, while taking a shot with a rotation of Lee, Halladay, Hamels, Blanton, Moyer/Drabek. You would sign Doc to a 110/120 million dollar deal and let Lee walk. A trade for Halladay will still be costly, but not as much as last year because you're only getting him for one "run". So if the original proposal was Happ, Drabek, Taylor, and Gose(I believe it was), can now become Happ, Taylor/Brown(one of the two - I'd go with Taylor) and Gose. The Phils have labeled Drabek untouchable, and I believe this would get the deal done. It's all about money on the payroll. The Jays would have Happ under control - and in the rotation - for 4 or 5 years along with some good prospects. Plus, you're never going to get greater value for Werth so they could look to move him with either Taylor or Brown waiting in the wings.

petrocs

Cliffy6745 wrote:

petrocs wrote:

Halliday
Lee
Hamels
Drabek
Happ

I think i just jizzed

How would the Phillies get Halladay without giving up Drabek or Happ?

Secondly and I am curious on your opinions on this. The Phillies would seemingly have to give away the farm to acquire Lee and now Halladay. The Phillies would have almost no possibility of signing both of them long term past next year. What would happen after next season, you would have one star pitcher (assuming they could only sign one) and almost no farm system? Is it worth it?

No way...some how some way we will land Halladay..watch...and dont worry about our farm system...its always growing..unlike whats growing in New York LOL



wait...If you look closely you can see Jose Reyes!

Cliffy6745

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

petrocs wrote:

Halliday
Lee
Hamels
Drabek
Happ

I think i just jizzed

How would the Phillies get Halladay without giving up Drabek or Happ?

Secondly and I am curious on your opinions on this. The Phillies would seemingly have to give away the farm to acquire Lee and now Halladay. The Phillies would have almost no possibility of signing both of them long term past next year. What would happen after next season, you would have one star pitcher (assuming they could only sign one) and almost no farm system? Is it worth it?

The word on the street is you trade for Halladay and sign him to a long term deal, while taking a shot with a rotation of Lee, Halladay, Hamels, Blanton, Moyer/Drabek. You would sign Doc to a 110/120 million dollar deal and let Lee walk. A trade for Halladay will still be costly, but not as much as last year because you're only getting him for one "run". So if the original proposal was Happ, Drabek, Taylor, and Gose(I believe it was), can now become Happ, Taylor/Brown(one of the two - I'd go with Taylor) and Gose. The Phils have labeled Drabek untouchable, and I believe this would get the deal done. It's all about money on the payroll. The Jays would have Happ under control - and in the rotation - for 4 or 5 years along with some good prospects. Plus, you're never going to get greater value for Werth so they could look to move him with either Taylor or Brown waiting in the wings.

Interesting. In my opinion, I don't think Happ, Taylor/Brown and Gose would get it done. I would also be curious to see where scouts rank Happ after this season. From everything I have read he projected to be a 3rd starter. I wonder if that changes. Reminds me a bit of the Ian Kennedy situation with the Yankees except Happ has a bigger sample size. Werth is only locked up for one more year so I am not sure how much value he would add to the trade considering the Jays situation.

While I agree that the demands might be a bit less for Halladay since it is only for 1 year, I could also see more teams getting involved since "everyone" has a shot next year and not just the teams making a run at the postseason.

Cliffy6745

petrocs wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

petrocs wrote:

Halliday
Lee
Hamels
Drabek
Happ

I think i just jizzed

How would the Phillies get Halladay without giving up Drabek or Happ?

Secondly and I am curious on your opinions on this. The Phillies would seemingly have to give away the farm to acquire Lee and now Halladay. The Phillies would have almost no possibility of signing both of them long term past next year. What would happen after next season, you would have one star pitcher (assuming they could only sign one) and almost no farm system? Is it worth it?

No way...some how some way we will land Halladay..watch...and dont worry about our farm system...its always growing..unlike whats growing in New York LOL



wait...If you look closely you can see Jose Reyes!

I have zero problems with the Yankees farm. Montero, Jackson, Romine and a whole bunch of decent pitching prospects. Not bad for a team that continually sings Type-A free agents.