This is on my mind. I think it will suck in the short-term but the only decent move for the Phils to get exponentially better offensively is to trade Hamels. As much as I'd hate it, I think it's necessary. How do you lock up another long-term arm and burden your salary constraints with a number as high as Hamels's will be? I don't think you can do that and think you're going to get younger and more talented on the offensive side of the ball.
Someone take the bait. I'm bored.
Done. Call Cashman now. In a trade for Hamels, all bets are off. Gardner, Granderson, Montero, Banuelos, Betances, Nova, Noesi and the lower level big time prospects all probably available. Pretty much any type of player you could want in there so there is a lot to pick from. Only one year though, which hurts his value a little.
I was looking around at teams at who would need pitching to get them to contention or put them over the top. This is what I got -
Yanks - would they do Montero AND Benuelos?
Jays - Lawrie and a pitcher like Morrow?
Arizona - Upton
LA - Ethier and a pitcher to go into the rotation?
Reds - Alonso and somone again to go into the rotation like Bailey
I would have taken the package the padres just got for latos
no way AA would make that deal ... we do need another starter ... but trading for one and giving up one doesn't solve that ... and we like lawrie ... if he even comes close to replicating what he did when we brought him up last year ... it'll be awesome ... although injuries are something i see with brett throughout his career ...
Maybe not Morrow, but a back-end rotation guy or pitching prospect could make that deal happen. Hamels makes you a better team in the next 5 years than Lawrie does. He's proven and young. Lawrie is young but not proven.
Lawrie might be the only untouchable player on the team. They're not going to give up on a Canadian with that much potential.
the phils are the ones that would turn down that trade...they could get way more for hamels
I don't think they can trade Hamels. The rest of the staff is going to get old in a couple years and he is just in the start of his prime, having really figured everything out the past 2 years. And he's proven the past 2 years he's a primetime postseason pitcher. Also, the rest of the division is trying to catch up, and nothing gets you to the playoffs better than an ace.
I know it was a real shitty loss to StL but everyone needs to take a deep breath. Baseball playoffs are and always have been a crapshoot.
So, on another note, I'm going to Barcade for a birthday party tomorrow. Enough of this baseball talk.
the last 2 years????? 2008 he carried the phils to a WS. pretty sure that was proof that he's a big game pitcher
Maybe not Morrow, but a back-end rotation guy or pitching prospect could make that deal happen. Hamels makes you a better team in the next 5 years than Lawrie does. He's proven and young. Lawrie is young but not proven.
honestly ... if it was me - i wouldn't trade hamels for lawrie straight up right now ... ...
Maybe not Morrow, but a back-end rotation guy or pitching prospect could make that deal happen. Hamels makes you a better team in the next 5 years than Lawrie does. He's proven and young. Lawrie is young but not proven.
Lawrie might be the only untouchable player on the team. They're not going to give up on a Canadian with that much potential.
the phils are the ones that would turn down that trade...they could get way more for hamels
I know that they can get more. I'm just saying that Lawrie probably wouldn't be included in a deal for Hamels. Hamels probably wouldn't sign an extension with the Jays and their not going to give up Lawrie in a package for a rental.
Lawrie might be the only untouchable player on the team. They're not going to give up on a Canadian with that much potential.
the phils are the ones that would turn down that trade...they could get way more for hamels
I know that they can get more. I'm just saying that Lawrie probably wouldn't be included in a deal for Hamels. Hamels probably wouldn't sign an extension with the Jays and their not going to give up Lawrie in a package for a rental.
I hear what you're saying. That makes sense. I didn't realize you were taking contracts into account.
3 yr/33m with a vesting 4th year. Nice job, Amaro.
3-4yrs of half assing it to 1st while swinging at many first pitch high fastballs.
No shit, but he's not costing them a shit load and there was no other moves to make.
funny how $33M is no longer a "shitload." that's a lot of dough.
If I had known then what I know now...
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3-4yrs of half assing it to 1st while swinging at many first pitch high fastballs.
edit: he's making aubrey huff money!!
If I had known then what I know now...
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
I'm not even going to bother watching this amaro interview. I'm sure he didn't answer any of the difficult questions. Fully expecting a dog and pony show.
Doc Halladay throwing on the field while the Winter Classic is being set-up.
fucking awesome.
get a hold of yourself
If I had known then what I know now...
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VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
Ed Wade back with the phils as a scout. I know he gets made fun of a lot, but this could be a solid move. Wade had some decent drafts while he was here (utley, howard, rollins, hamels, madson, etc)
Ed Wade back with the phils as a scout. I know he gets made fun of a lot, but this could be a solid move. Wade had some decent drafts while he was here (utley, howard, rollins, hamels, madson, etc)
it's like he never left
haha...yeah i actually like this. just don't let him give ruben any advise on trades
Ed Wade back with the phils as a scout. I know he gets made fun of a lot, but this could be a solid move. Wade had some decent drafts while he was here (utley, howard, rollins, hamels, madson, etc)
it's like he never left
haha...yeah i actually like this. just don't let him give ruben any advise on trades
hopefully amaro lets wade negotiate contracts for him
For the record I think wade will end up getting the best of both trades he made with amaro
For the record I think wade will end up getting the best of both trades he made with amaro
Phillies will always be considered to get the best of the Lidge trade in my book because, you know, we won a World Series because of it. Can't ask for much more than that. (and that's coming from the "closer hater")
Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; WF Center 10/21/13; WF Center 10/22/13; Baltimore 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
I get chills ever time I see it. I was there and it was an unbelievable feeling. I actually thought we were only going to tie it up. Everyone was jumping up and down and I couldn't see it get to the wall. Good times.
Alright, alright, alright!
Tom O. "I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
-The Writer
Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; WF Center 10/21/13; WF Center 10/22/13; Baltimore 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Jesus, that's probably not a good thing. I got into a pretty long baseball argument with him through email during the 2009 world series after the wrote and article about how the Phillies infield was the best ever. Edit: Still have the link but the article isn't up anymore. Dude wouldn't give up, and either would I since I was taking a hall of famer to task. Was quite enjoyable.
For the record I think wade will end up getting the best of both trades he made with amaro
Phillies will always be considered to get the best of the Lidge trade in my book because, you know, we won a World Series because of it. Can't ask for much more than that. (and that's coming from the "closer hater")
I was talking about the last two trades wade made with ruben minaya jr...
I get chills ever time I see it. I was there and it was an unbelievable feeling. I actually thought we were only going to tie it up. Everyone was jumping up and down and I couldn't see it get to the wall. Good times.
Same thing happened to me. That was the first and last time I get standing room tickets for a game.
Jesus, that's probably not a good thing. I got into a pretty long baseball argument with him through email during the 2009 world series after the wrote and article about how the Phillies infield was the best ever. Edit: Still have the link but the article isn't up anymore. Dude wouldn't give up, and either would I since I was taking a hall of famer to task. Was quite enjoyable.
he lives in the town where I grew up. I know his son and his wife used to come into the deli where I worked in high school (she was the nicest lady on the planet).
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
the fixer just finished up his sales calls for the year. I will be 'working from home' until January 4th. Then it's 3 weeks until my national sales meeting in Marco Island, FL. God I love my job.
Gonna swing by the liquor store and load up on beer and wine before heading back to philly. If possible I avoid the abortion that is buying booze in PA.
Let the holiday self pollution begin...cheers bitches
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I would have taken the package the padres just got for latos
the phils are the ones that would turn down that trade...they could get way more for hamels
the last 2 years????? 2008 he carried the phils to a WS. pretty sure that was proof that he's a big game pitcher
ridiculous
I hear what you're saying. That makes sense. I didn't realize you were taking contracts into account.
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
edit: he's making aubrey huff money!!
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
Tom O.
"I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
-The Writer
fucking awesome.
http://www.the700level.com/12/19/11/Roy ... eedID=8510
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VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
it's like he never left
haha...yeah i actually like this. just don't let him give ruben any advise on trades
hopefully amaro lets wade negotiate contracts for him
For the record I think wade will end up getting the best of both trades he made with amaro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oBp8rJjI44
:thumbup:
Phillies will always be considered to get the best of the Lidge trade in my book because, you know, we won a World Series because of it. Can't ask for much more than that. (and that's coming from the "closer hater")
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
I get chills ever time I see it. I was there and it was an unbelievable feeling. I actually thought we were only going to tie it up. Everyone was jumping up and down and I couldn't see it get to the wall. Good times.
Tom O.
"I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
-The Writer
http://deadspin.com/5869737/
Oh boy. This is gonna be a roller coaster ride.
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Jesus, that's probably not a good thing. I got into a pretty long baseball argument with him through email during the 2009 world series after the wrote and article about how the Phillies infield was the best ever. Edit: Still have the link but the article isn't up anymore. Dude wouldn't give up, and either would I since I was taking a hall of famer to task. Was quite enjoyable.
just saw this...jesus christ.
I was talking about the last two trades wade made with ruben minaya jr...
Same thing happened to me. That was the first and last time I get standing room tickets for a game.
he lives in the town where I grew up. I know his son and his wife used to come into the deli where I worked in high school (she was the nicest lady on the planet).
What the fuck is wrong with people? seriously
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
the fixer just finished up his sales calls for the year. I will be 'working from home' until January 4th. Then it's 3 weeks until my national sales meeting in Marco Island, FL. God I love my job.
Gonna swing by the liquor store and load up on beer and wine before heading back to philly. If possible I avoid the abortion that is buying booze in PA.
Let the holiday self pollution begin...cheers bitches