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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    The Fixer wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    How is that not twisting a stat? It's the same thing as me saying, well Ruth had a lower ERA over his first 4 seasons than Howard so he is clearly better. You can't even think about comparing Howard to Ruth over their first 4 seasons because they played completely different positions. Saying Howard has more home runs over his first 4 seasons or whatever, is fucking pointless.

    it its. it's as if people forgot he was a pitcher....then again if you look at howard's first full 4 years and ruth's first 4 full years as a non pitcher, howard has 21 more homers. ruth only played in 110 games in 1922, so it would be about even had he been healthy.

    plus ruth played in parks almost twice the size of the banboxes of today

    .


    ...and not against black dudes. ;) baseball debates are awesome.

    by no means am i comparing ruth to howard, but their hr numbers are similiar in that timeframe.

    lets argue about ralph kiner now. :lol:
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    jamminpearls wrote:
    ITS NOT A DEBATE!!!!!!!!!!! FACT RYAN HOWARD IS THE FASTEST PLAYER IN MLB HISTORY TO 200HRS!!!!!!!
    FACT BABE RUTH WAS A MUCH BETTER PLAYER THEN HOWARD!!!!!!


    dude....come on man.
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,539
    .................


















    .........CAPITAL LETTERS!!!!!
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    The Juggler wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    ITS NOT A DEBATE!!!!!!!!!!! FACT RYAN HOWARD IS THE FASTEST PLAYER IN MLB HISTORY TO 200HRS!!!!!!!
    FACT BABE RUTH WAS A MUCH BETTER PLAYER THEN HOWARD!!!!!!


    dude....come on man.
    Capital letters were a bit much!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Go Birds!!!!
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    jamminpearls wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    ITS NOT A DEBATE!!!!!!!!!!! FACT RYAN HOWARD IS THE FASTEST PLAYER IN MLB HISTORY TO 200HRS!!!!!!!
    FACT BABE RUTH WAS A MUCH BETTER PLAYER THEN HOWARD!!!!!!


    dude....come on man.
    Capital letters were a bit much!!!!!!!!!!!!

    so is your argument... :mrgreen:
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  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    How?? please explain
    Go Birds!!!!
  • neilybabes86
    neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    :lol::lol::lol:

    previously on the phillies thread...


    fixer and everyone else argued about ryan howard

    then someone brought up babe ruth and everyone went apreshit

    jamminpearls came in with all caps to show his frustration

    as this was happening 2 yankees fans sat back and commented on how funny this was

    someone mentioned ralph kiner ..but that didn't go very far

    the juggler got nervous about the caps and said to slow down .....

    next week...... once and for all..is howard better than ruth?
    will the jeagler jump off a bridge when lannan beats roy?

    tune in to find out
    i post on the board of a band that doesn't exsist anymore .......i need my head examined.......
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    The Juggler wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    How is that not twisting a stat? It's the same thing as me saying, well Ruth had a lower ERA over his first 4 seasons than Howard so he is clearly better. You can't even think about comparing Howard to Ruth over their first 4 seasons because they played completely different positions. Saying Howard has more home runs over his first 4 seasons or whatever, is fucking pointless.

    it its. it's as if people forgot he was a pitcher....then again if you look at howard's first full 4 years and ruth's first 4 full years as a non pitcher, howard has 21 more homers. ruth only played in 110 games in 1922, so it would be about even had he been healthy.

    Look at 1919. He started 15 games and pitched to an ERA of about 3 while also having 542 plate appearances. I would think that has a little to do with the fact he only hit 29 home runs, but he did have an average of .322 and and OBP of .456
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    How is that not twisting a stat? It's the same thing as me saying, well Ruth had a lower ERA over his first 4 seasons than Howard so he is clearly better. You can't even think about comparing Howard to Ruth over their first 4 seasons because they played completely different positions. Saying Howard has more home runs over his first 4 seasons or whatever, is fucking pointless.

    it its. it's as if people forgot he was a pitcher....then again if you look at howard's first full 4 years and ruth's first 4 full years as a non pitcher, howard has 21 more homers. ruth only played in 110 games in 1922, so it would be about even had he been healthy.

    Look at 1919. He started 15 games and pitched to an ERA of about 3 while also having 542 plate appearances. I would think that has a little to do with the fact he only hit 29 home runs, but he did have an average of .322 and and OBP of .456

    what is this OBP you speak of?

    only HRs and RBI matter!!
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    OBP means shit if someone isn't knocking them in.
    Go Birds!!!!
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    The Fixer wrote:
    what is this OBP you speak of?

    only HRs and RBI matter!!

    Dude, it's some insane advanced statistic all the kids are talking about these days. Get this, its measures how often a batter reaches base. Crazy, I know.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    jamminpearls wrote:
    OBP means shit if someone isn't knocking them in.

    actually, there are plenty of ways for a guy to score without being 'knocked in'.

    you have it backwards my friend...
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,539
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    what is this OBP you speak of?

    only HRs and RBI matter!!

    Dude, it's some insane advanced statistic all the kids are talking about these days. Get this, its measures how often a batter reaches base. Crazy, I know.

    Crazy isn't it? And if 4 guys reach base in a row, no one's hitting home runs or "knocking them in" and still scoring a run! Crazy!
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    How is that not twisting a stat? It's the same thing as me saying, well Ruth had a lower ERA over his first 4 seasons than Howard so he is clearly better. You can't even think about comparing Howard to Ruth over their first 4 seasons because they played completely different positions. Saying Howard has more home runs over his first 4 seasons or whatever, is fucking pointless.

    it its. it's as if people forgot he was a pitcher....then again if you look at howard's first full 4 years and ruth's first 4 full years as a non pitcher, howard has 21 more homers. ruth only played in 110 games in 1922, so it would be about even had he been healthy.

    Look at 1919. He started 15 games and pitched to an ERA of about 3 while also having 542 plate appearances. I would think that has a little to do with the fact he only hit 29 home runs, but he did have an average of .322 and and OBP of .456

    okay then take the next 4 years then. he hit 189 hrs. their hr #'s are similiar. not talking about avg and obp obviously.

    wanna make it clear that i'm not siding with pjhawks (please god dont think that :lol: ) and jamming completely b/c they take this waaay too far. but if your just talking hr totals (and not anything else) for their first four comparable years as full time position players, their numbers are similiar. that's all i'm saying...and it's true.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    The Juggler wrote:
    okay then take the next 4 years then. he hit 189 hrs. their hr #'s are similiar. not talking about avg and obp obviously.

    wanna make it clear that i'm not siding with pjhawks (please god dont think that :lol: ) and jamming b/c they take this waaay too far. but if your just talking hr totals (and not anything else) for their first four comparable years as full time position players, their numbers are similiar. that's all i'm saying...and it's true.

    Fair enough. I would think the number of caveats pretty much states all anyone needs to know.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    okay then take the next 4 years then. he hit 189 hrs. their hr #'s are similiar. not talking about avg and obp obviously.

    wanna make it clear that i'm not siding with pjhawks (please god dont think that :lol: ) and jamming b/c they take this waaay too far. but if your just talking hr totals (and not anything else) for their first four comparable years as full time position players, their numbers are similiar. that's all i'm saying...and it's true.

    Fair enough. I would think the number of caveats pretty much states all anyone needs to know.

    :mrgreen:
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,539
    ....aaaand, if everyone in the lineup continuously gets on base, the inning never ends, you rack up runs, and deplete the opponent's pitching staff. Again, crazy stuff, that OBP!
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    what is this OBP you speak of?

    only HRs and RBI matter!!

    Dude, it's some insane advanced statistic all the kids are talking about these days. Get this, its measures how often a batter reaches base. Crazy, I know.

    Crazy isn't it? And if 4 guys reach base in a row, no one's hitting home runs or "knocking them in" and still scoring a run! Crazy!

    Insane, that just blew my mind.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    ....aaaand, if everyone in the lineup continuously gets on base, the inning never ends, you rack up runs, and deplete the opponent's pitching staff. Again, crazy stuff, that OBP!

    mind-blown.jpg
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,539
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    ....aaaand, if everyone in the lineup continuously gets on base, the inning never ends, you rack up runs, and deplete the opponent's pitching staff. Again, crazy stuff, that OBP!

    mind-blown.jpg

    That's as good as it's gonna get right there. I have officially LOL'd. Or something.
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