***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

The Fixer

The Juggler wrote:

geez...i wonder if people gave ralph kiner shit for that too for the last 50 years or so.... :roll:

what do you mean? kiner hit so many HRs. that means he was an awesome player!

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

geez...i wonder if people gave ralph kiner shit for that too for the last 50 years or so.... :roll:

what do you mean? kiner hit so many HRs. that means he was an awesome player!

...are you trying to say ralph kiner wasn't a great player? :?

dude did a whole lot more than hit home runs.

Cliffy6745

The Juggler wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

geez...i wonder if people gave ralph kiner shit for that too for the last 50 years or so.... :roll:

what do you mean? kiner hit so many HRs. that means he was an awesome player!

...are you trying to say ralph kiner wasn't a great player? :?

dude did a whole lot more than hit home runs.

But he never had more than 127 RBIs. HE SUCKS!

The Fixer

The Juggler wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

geez...i wonder if people gave ralph kiner shit for that too for the last 50 years or so.... :roll:

what do you mean? kiner hit so many HRs. that means he was an awesome player!

...are you trying to say ralph kiner wasn't a great player? :?

dude did a whole lot more than hit home runs.

That was sarcasm. I'm not taking the bait and getting into a ralph kiner debate.

jamminpearls

only comment ever made about babe ruth was that Howard reached 200 home runs faster than anyone in the history of the game including babe ruth. thats a FACT but continue to twist little segments of what people say into something it's not. you are really good at that.
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And at the same time, you twist statistics. Howard only reached 200 home runs faster because Ruth was fucking pitcher for his first few seasons in the league.[/quote]

How is that twisting a stat? A fact is a fact but it's not good enough cause he's not a great 1st basemen who took a shit load of money that he was offered. Hitting bombs and driving in RBI's isn't easy and yet overlooked by many here. Howard was probably one of the 3 biggest reasons we won the 08 world series,yet he gets killed for his throwing. Blanton is a real good #5 pitcher who does get killed unfairly,yet he gets the benefit of doubt because he dosen't make 25 mill a year. That to me shows just why great athletes couldn't wait to leave in the past. To kill a player who is on a record pace at the BIGGEST RECORD in sports is NUTS!! Obviously he won't come close because of age but man the negativity is just plain rude. If he hits 50 bombs and makes 10 throwing errors certain people will only bring up the latter and that shows why Philly fans sometimes are just plain clueless.

Cliffy6745

How is that not twisting a stat? It's the same thing as me saying, well Ruth had a lower ERA over his first 4 seasons than Howard so he is clearly better. You can't even think about comparing Howard to Ruth over their first 4 seasons because they played completely different positions. Saying Howard has more home runs over his first 4 seasons or whatever, is fucking pointless.

neilybabes86

this thread is comic gold


i would love to get all these goof balls in a room together

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

what do you mean? kiner hit so many HRs. that means he was an awesome player!

...are you trying to say ralph kiner wasn't a great player? :?

dude did a whole lot more than hit home runs.

That was sarcasm. I'm not taking the bait and getting into a ralph kiner debate.

huh? there's no bait. he was one who held the fastest to 200 hr thing that howard broke.

Cliffy6745

neilybabes86 wrote:

this thread is comic gold


i would love to get all these goof balls in a room together

The Ryan Howard debate is worth my ten club membership alone.

The Fixer

Cliffy6745 wrote:

How is that not twisting a stat? It's the same thing as me saying, well Ruth had a lower ERA over his first 4 seasons than Howard so he is clearly better. You can't even think about comparing Howard to Ruth over their first 4 seasons because they played completely different positions. Saying Howard has more home runs over his first 4 seasons or whatever, is fucking pointless.

this made me laugh.

also, for the 2 billionth time...no one is saying they don't like howard, just saying he's comically overrated in philly

neilybabes86

Cliffy6745 wrote:

neilybabes86 wrote:

this thread is comic gold


i would love to get all these goof balls in a room together

The Ryan Howard debate is worth my ten club membership alone.

haha i was debating about my $ 20 ....its almost time

but yea these goofy philly dudes are way over the top

they really remind me of the fans in major league

jamminpearls

Cliffy6745 wrote:

How is that not twisting a stat? It's the same thing as me saying, well Ruth had a lower ERA over his first 4 seasons than Howard so he is clearly better. You can't even think about comparing Howard to Ruth over their first 4 seasons because they played completely different positions. Saying Howard has more home runs over his first 4 seasons or whatever, is fucking pointless.

Cause its a fact it's not Howards fault is it. A fact about hitting was named regardless of pitchers were included or not. Was Ruth better obviously and that was never said by me or anyone else that i read. To dismiss his numbers are wrong and the shit talking is even worse.

Cliffy6745

neilybabes86 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

neilybabes86 wrote:

this thread is comic gold


i would love to get all these goof balls in a room together

The Ryan Howard debate is worth my ten club membership alone.

haha i was debating about my $ 20 ....its almost time

but yea these goofy philly dudes are way over the top

they really remind me of the fans in major league

A few of them get pretty worked up over it. I do partake in it quite a bit though.

polaris_x

neilybabes86 wrote:

this thread is comic gold


i would love to get all these goof balls in a room together

now, that the *where is snuggleton* thread is pooched - this is the storyline i follow most ...

The Juggler

Cliffy6745 wrote:

How is that not twisting a stat? It's the same thing as me saying, well Ruth had a lower ERA over his first 4 seasons than Howard so he is clearly better. You can't even think about comparing Howard to Ruth over their first 4 seasons because they played completely different positions. Saying Howard has more home runs over his first 4 seasons or whatever, is fucking pointless.

it its. it's as if people forgot he was a pitcher....then again if you look at howard's first full 4 years and ruth's first 4 full years as a non pitcher, howard has 21 more homers. ruth only played in 110 games in 1922, so it would be about even had he been healthy.

The Juggler

baseball-reference.com is pure gold by the way.

The Juggler

neilybabes86 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

neilybabes86 wrote:

this thread is comic gold


i would love to get all these goof balls in a room together

The Ryan Howard debate is worth my ten club membership alone.

haha i was debating about my $ 20 ....its almost time

but yea these goofy philly dudes are way over the top

they really remind me of the fans in major league

"it's too high..."

"what do you mean, too high?!?!" :x

The Fixer

The Juggler wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

How is that not twisting a stat? It's the same thing as me saying, well Ruth had a lower ERA over his first 4 seasons than Howard so he is clearly better. You can't even think about comparing Howard to Ruth over their first 4 seasons because they played completely different positions. Saying Howard has more home runs over his first 4 seasons or whatever, is fucking pointless.

it its. it's as if people forgot he was a pitcher....then again if you look at howard's first full 4 years and ruth's first 4 full years as a non pitcher, howard has 21 more homers. ruth only played in 110 games in 1922, so it would be about even had he been healthy.

plus ruth played in parks almost twice the size of the banboxes of today

the howard vs ruth debate is the worst thing ever. garbage I'd expect to hear on 610.

Cliffy6745

jamminpearls wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

How is that not twisting a stat? It's the same thing as me saying, well Ruth had a lower ERA over his first 4 seasons than Howard so he is clearly better. You can't even think about comparing Howard to Ruth over their first 4 seasons because they played completely different positions. Saying Howard has more home runs over his first 4 seasons or whatever, is fucking pointless.

Cause its a fact it's not Howards fault is it. A fact about hitting was named regardless of pitchers were included or not. Was Ruth better obviously and that was never said by me or anyone else that i read. To dismiss his numbers are wrong and the shit talking is even worse.

My head hurts, I don't even know what to say. No, it is not Howards fault that Babe Ruth was originally a pitcher, I will agree with that.

jamminpearls

ITS NOT A DEBATE!!!!!!!!!!! FACT RYAN HOWARD IS THE FASTEST PLAYER IN MLB HISTORY TO 200HRS!!!!!!!
FACT BABE RUTH WAS A MUCH BETTER PLAYER THEN HOWARD!!!!!!