Well, in the playoffs we would probably have Halladay and Lee pitching...
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Sounds like we'll get to see Vogelsong tonight. Timmy's yeast infection is still bothering him.
glad timmy got his female problems cleared up before we left town.
just be glad he couldn't pitch game 1. otherwise, you never would've gotten the gift of zito.
If I had known then what I know now...
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Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
that being said i could give 2 fucks what happens in the NL..just breaking some balls
just as we could give 2 fucks what happens in the DH league :roll:
If I had known then what I know now...
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Chase Utley single handedly disproving the argument that RBIs are easy to get. :evil:
Talk about misquoting, no one in the world has ever said an RBI is easy to get. Hitting a 95 mph baseball is difficult in general. RBI are however, not a good way to judge a players ability.
forming conclusions based on 3 at bat sample sizes is always brilliant
nah just an angry post in the middle of a frustrating game.
giants got our number right now which has me concerned but still think we are the better team. couple of bad defensive plays and no clutch hitting (just like last playoffs) last 2 nights. it happens.
as much as the sox are doing with your squad i guess...arm's length
We obviously would prefer having the Braves play the Giants in the first round while we play some schlepp from the NL Central.
Last night's pitching matchup was a mismatch, just like Tuesday. Hamels lost to Cain because of some bad luck. It's just 3 regular season games - they don't mean any more than the other 159.
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Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
We obviously would prefer having the Braves play the Giants in the first round while we play some schlepp from the NL Central.
Last night's pitching matchup was a mismatch, just like Tuesday. Hamels lost to Cain because of some bad luck. It's just 3 regular season games - they don't mean any more than the other 159.
kendrick pitched well enough to win last night. no offense (and stupid plays like bunting a guy over in the first inning) and sloppy defense was the reason they lost (same as the NLCS).
looks like a pence deal is going to go down today. apparently phils are close.
Paul Hagen's article today has a negative view on Pence from an agent. Take it for what it's worth.
And now, speaking for the opposing standpoint, Rob Plummer . . .
He's a successful agent who has focused his efforts on talent-rich Latin America. He watches baseball through a scout's eyes. He's also a Philadelphia native who unabashedly wishes nothing but the best for the Phillies. And his dispassionate assessment of the cost-benefit ratio is that getting Pence would be a huge mistake that will ultimately backfire badly. His scouting report:
Not a fast bat . . . Needs to cheat a lot and therefore strikes out a lot . . . Not a high OPS guy . . . Would not protect [Ryan] Howard in the batting order . . . Not a guy I would like to pay a lot over the next 3 years like you would have to in [arbitration] . . . Not a great defensive player either. Not a premium guy worth giving up premium cheap future-salaried young players . . . I would trade the young guys if it was a guy with an OPS of .950 or above, more athletic with higher upside with a faster bat."
He added that, in his opinion, Pence is the kind of hitter who can compile decent numbers during the regular season but is susceptible to the consistently superior starters that teams face in the playoffs.
Plummer doesn't dispute that Pence might be the best righthanded bat believed to be available. He just doesn't think that's a good enough reason to move blindly ahead at the expense of 2013, 2014 and beyond. And he's especially reluctant to part with Cosart.
He'd make a move and part with prospects if the return was a player who would really make an impact, would markedly improve the Phillies' chances for another parade down Broad Street. He just doesn't think Pence is that guy. In fact, he's not sure that guy exists. Or he'd trade lesser prospects for a marginal improvement.
It's worth saying again that not even getting a bat the quality of, say, Matt Kemp, would guarantee another trophy. Not to mention that there have been no rumors to this point indicating that the Dodgers would consider trading him.
The Astros have helped the Phillies in the past, trading them Brad Lidge before the 2008 season and Roy Oswalt right about this time last year. Plummer strongly believes Houston would best help the Phils this time by holding onto Pence no matter how much the Phillies offer.
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Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Well, waddaya know? Jon Heyman says Phillies might trade for Pence. :roll: Seriously, what kind of "reporting" is this? Last week "Confirmed Pence won't be traded." How is anyone ever supposed to take these people seriously?
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Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Well, waddaya know? Jon Heyman says Phillies might trade for Pence. :roll: Seriously, what kind of "reporting" is this? Last week "Confirmed Pence won't be traded." How is anyone ever supposed to take these people seriously?
heyman is the worst. I just skip over his links on mlbtraderumors. that danny knobler guy said pence wouldn't be traded as well. idiots
We obviously would prefer having the Braves play the Giants in the first round while we play some schlepp from the NL Central.
how does it work? division winner with best record plays wild card unless they're from the same division, in which case best record division winner plays worst record division winner? :?
your boys look to be in for sure....I'm still not 100% comfortable that giants will win their division. :problem:
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Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
We obviously would prefer having the Braves play the Giants in the first round while we play some schlepp from the NL Central.
how does it work? division winner with best record plays wild card unless they're from the same division, in which case best record division winner plays worst record division winner? :?
your boys look to be in for sure....I'm still not 100% comfortable that giants will win their division. :problem:
You got it. So NL East winner plays NL Central winner; NL West winner plays Wild Card (2nd place NL East).
The D-Backs are for real but I don't think they can catch your team, esp with Beltran.
Phillies losing the division lead and playing Giants in the first round would be disastrous.
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Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Pence was told last night he was being pulled for a trade last night. Something feel thru and he played according to Heyman. Pence will be a Phillie before dinner.
Phillies losing the division lead and playing Giants in the first round would be disastrous.
if you're gonna be the best, you have to beat the best. your 1st round cakewalk over cincy didn't do you any good in the long haul.
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Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
No matter who ends up with Pence, it seems like the Astros are going to get the better of this deal. What's out there is just way too fucking much for this guy.
No matter who ends up with Pence, it seems like the Astros are going to get the better of this deal. What's out there is just way too fucking much for this guy.
Agreed,the 3 big Nl teams all have/had the same weakness.
No matter who ends up with Pence, it seems like the Astros are going to get the better of this deal. What's out there is just way too fucking much for this guy.
I'm starting to sway this way big time. I feel like Quentin or Upton could be acquired for less.
We offered Hou Brown,Cosart and Singelton for Pence according to Jayson Stark. Hou is looking for a 3rd team to flip Brown to. That's to much for Pence without getting something else back besides Pence imo.
We offered Hou Brown,Cosart and Singelton for Pence according to Jayson Stark. Hou is looking for a 3rd team to flip Brown to. That's to much for Pence without getting something else back besides Pence imo.
definitely a sellers market. even though SF overpaid for beltran, that might look brilliant after this pence deal goes down.
I'm fine with the phils overpaying in this deal. They would have him for 2 years after 2011 and it's pretty obvious that even though brown could turn out to be good (i'm still skeptical), that he isn't ready to help them in the playoffs this year.
RAJ has about 50 hours to make something happen.
I love all of this trade activity/rumors. You just don't get that much of this stuff in the other leagues.
No matter who ends up with Pence, it seems like the Astros are going to get the better of this deal. What's out there is just way too fucking much for this guy.
I'm starting to sway this way big time. I feel like Quentin or Upton could be acquired for less.
kenny williams hasn't really said if quentin is available or not. the chisox are a game under 500 and only 3 out of first. fucking terrible
Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports that the Phillies "might be willing to redirect" Domonic Brown to a third team in order to get the Astros the prospects they want for Hunter Pence.
In other words, the Astros don't think a package of Brown, plus likely pitching prospect Jarred Cosart, is enough for Pence, which is absolutely ludicrous. Sherman, as well as others, are saying that the Astros want pitching in return, and it appears the Phillies are unable to satisfy their demands without a third team getting involved. Stay tuned.
Pretty much what Stark says. Crazy shit Houston is fucking crazy!!!!!!!!!!
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that's not really the problem here
just be glad he couldn't pitch game 1. otherwise, you never would've gotten the gift of zito.
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St. Paul 14, Denver 14
be afraid ..be very afraid
From the guy who's team is 1-8 vs Red Sox.
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and they are only 2.5 up ..imagine that
regardless..the giants pitchers are just as good..if not better than the phils
that being said i could give 2 fucks what happens in the NL..just breaking some balls
you guys were betting off watching the jeter special tonight
first losing streak in 2 months and the world is crashing down again.
take a breath guys. 162 games. some kind of help is on the way in a matter of days. this isn't football. relax.
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Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
you're not concerned after this series?
not really. last night could have gone either way.
talk to me on sunday after 4pm though. long season.
nah just an angry post in the middle of a frustrating game.
giants got our number right now which has me concerned but still think we are the better team. couple of bad defensive plays and no clutch hitting (just like last playoffs) last 2 nights. it happens.
Keeping a close eye on them eh?
as much as the sox are doing with your squad i guess...arm's length
We obviously would prefer having the Braves play the Giants in the first round while we play some schlepp from the NL Central.
Last night's pitching matchup was a mismatch, just like Tuesday. Hamels lost to Cain because of some bad luck. It's just 3 regular season games - they don't mean any more than the other 159.
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
kendrick pitched well enough to win last night. no offense (and stupid plays like bunting a guy over in the first inning) and sloppy defense was the reason they lost (same as the NLCS).
looks like a pence deal is going to go down today. apparently phils are close.
And now, speaking for the opposing standpoint, Rob Plummer . . .
He's a successful agent who has focused his efforts on talent-rich Latin America. He watches baseball through a scout's eyes. He's also a Philadelphia native who unabashedly wishes nothing but the best for the Phillies. And his dispassionate assessment of the cost-benefit ratio is that getting Pence would be a huge mistake that will ultimately backfire badly. His scouting report:
Not a fast bat . . . Needs to cheat a lot and therefore strikes out a lot . . . Not a high OPS guy . . . Would not protect [Ryan] Howard in the batting order . . . Not a guy I would like to pay a lot over the next 3 years like you would have to in [arbitration] . . . Not a great defensive player either. Not a premium guy worth giving up premium cheap future-salaried young players . . . I would trade the young guys if it was a guy with an OPS of .950 or above, more athletic with higher upside with a faster bat."
He added that, in his opinion, Pence is the kind of hitter who can compile decent numbers during the regular season but is susceptible to the consistently superior starters that teams face in the playoffs.
Plummer doesn't dispute that Pence might be the best righthanded bat believed to be available. He just doesn't think that's a good enough reason to move blindly ahead at the expense of 2013, 2014 and beyond. And he's especially reluctant to part with Cosart.
He'd make a move and part with prospects if the return was a player who would really make an impact, would markedly improve the Phillies' chances for another parade down Broad Street. He just doesn't think Pence is that guy. In fact, he's not sure that guy exists. Or he'd trade lesser prospects for a marginal improvement.
It's worth saying again that not even getting a bat the quality of, say, Matt Kemp, would guarantee another trophy. Not to mention that there have been no rumors to this point indicating that the Dodgers would consider trading him.
The Astros have helped the Phillies in the past, trading them Brad Lidge before the 2008 season and Roy Oswalt right about this time last year. Plummer strongly believes Houston would best help the Phils this time by holding onto Pence no matter how much the Phillies offer.
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
heyman is the worst. I just skip over his links on mlbtraderumors. that danny knobler guy said pence wouldn't be traded as well. idiots
your boys look to be in for sure....I'm still not 100% comfortable that giants will win their division. :problem:
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VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
You got it. So NL East winner plays NL Central winner; NL West winner plays Wild Card (2nd place NL East).
The D-Backs are for real but I don't think they can catch your team, esp with Beltran.
Phillies losing the division lead and playing Giants in the first round would be disastrous.
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
I'm starting to sway this way big time. I feel like Quentin or Upton could be acquired for less.
definitely a sellers market. even though SF overpaid for beltran, that might look brilliant after this pence deal goes down.
I'm fine with the phils overpaying in this deal. They would have him for 2 years after 2011 and it's pretty obvious that even though brown could turn out to be good (i'm still skeptical), that he isn't ready to help them in the playoffs this year.
RAJ has about 50 hours to make something happen.
I love all of this trade activity/rumors. You just don't get that much of this stuff in the other leagues.
kenny williams hasn't really said if quentin is available or not. the chisox are a game under 500 and only 3 out of first. fucking terrible
In other words, the Astros don't think a package of Brown, plus likely pitching prospect Jarred Cosart, is enough for Pence, which is absolutely ludicrous. Sherman, as well as others, are saying that the Astros want pitching in return, and it appears the Phillies are unable to satisfy their demands without a third team getting involved. Stay tuned.
Pretty much what Stark says. Crazy shit Houston is fucking crazy!!!!!!!!!!