sucks phils are off tomorrow. I'd much rather have them with that extra off day later in the season...in between series. plus I'm going through baseball withdrawl
I remember when every team played the Thursday after the ASG. I guess the players like having the longer break. But yeah, I am missing it. Although I guess it's ok since I'll be at the Linc tonight. (everyone's gotta see U2 once, right?)
Just turned down free club box seats from my wife's work. And i've been in the box for eagles games it's fucking sweet tits.
U2 are you kidding me? Who cares that they have had at least 30 mega-hits, at least 10 great albums, sold millions upon millons of albums, sold millions upon millions of tickets - don't you know they suck? they aren't worth the money they make. it's ridiculous. and My Morning Jacket is way better than them. it's not even close. i'd much rather have My Morning Jacket than U2. (pure sarcasm johnny - enjoy the show, perfect night weather wise).
Yeah, I think they're great too. I'm really excited. I know many people hate them - that's cool. Whatever you want to think. I just hate dealing with going to any events with 70K people. At least it's not in that dump in Camden.
I got the new MMJ album - it's ok - I can't really get into it that much.
Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; WF Center 10/21/13; WF Center 10/22/13; Baltimore 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
U2 are you kidding me? Who cares that they have had at least 30 mega-hits, at least 10 great albums, sold millions upon millons of albums, sold millions upon millions of tickets - don't you know they suck? they aren't worth the money they make. it's ridiculous. and My Morning Jacket is way better than them. it's not even close. i'd much rather have My Morning Jacket than U2. (pure sarcasm johnny - enjoy the show, perfect night weather wise).
Yeah, I think they're great too. I'm really excited. I know many people hate them - that's cool. Whatever you want to think. I just hate dealing with going to any events with 70K people. At least it's not in that dump in Camden.
I got the new MMJ album - it's ok - I can't really get into it that much.
kinda wish i got tickets to this shindig tonight. i don't give a shit that it's not really "cool" anymore to like u2. they're one of my alltime faves. achtung baby was one of those difinitive albums in my life.....i could do without all the theatrics of their shows though.
anyone see that curt flood doc on hbo? it's very well done. what an interesting cat he was...
kinda wish i got tickets to this shindig tonight. i don't give a shit that it's not really "cool" anymore to like u2. they're one of my alltime faves. achtung baby was one of those difinitive albums in my life.....i could do without all the theatrics of their shows though.
They are playing lots of Achtung Baby on this tour.
U2 has a great "WAR". :P
I will say the new MMJ is much better than the last U2 album.
Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; WF Center 10/21/13; WF Center 10/22/13; Baltimore 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
kinda wish i got tickets to this shindig tonight. i don't give a shit that it's not really "cool" anymore to like u2. they're one of my alltime faves. achtung baby was one of those difinitive albums in my life.....i could do without all the theatrics of their shows though.
They are playing lots of Achtung Baby on this tour.
U2 has a great "WAR". :P
I will say the new MMJ is much better than the last U2 album.
of course it is...why are we comparing mmj with u2 though? i don't get that.
kinda wish i got tickets to this shindig tonight. i don't give a shit that it's not really "cool" anymore to like u2. they're one of my alltime faves. achtung baby was one of those difinitive albums in my life.....i could do without all the theatrics of their shows though.
They are playing lots of Achtung Baby on this tour.
U2 has a great "WAR". :P
I will say the new MMJ is much better than the last U2 album.
of course it is...why are we comparing mmj with u2 though? i don't get that.
Jaegs I just randomly threw MMJ in my original sarcastic post. nothing really meant by it.
Johnny well played on the WAR picture/post
Joshua Tree and Actung Baby are tremendous albums and I also really like Rattle and Hum. Think Bono is a huge dbag but can't deny their long term greatness as a band.
back to Phils - anyone seen what the rotation is going to be for the weekend? I know Worley is going friday but haven't seen how they are following him up yet.
of course it is...why are we comparing mmj with u2 though? i don't get that.
I don't know - ask pjhawks.
I'm gonna regret this...
So, I was wondering something. I took runs produced (runs + RBI - homers) divided by total team runs to get the percent of a team's runs that certain guys were involved in. Doesn't that sound like a good measure of how valuable offensively a guy is to his team? I think it is.
Matt Kemp, LA 100 runs produced (RP) / 340 team runs (TR) = 29.4%
Andrew McCutchen, Pit 94 RP / 354 TR = 26.6%
Ryan Howard, Phi 101 RP / 384 TR = 26.3%
Curtis Granderson, NYY 117 RP / 455 TR = 25.7%
Adrian Gonzalez, Bos 124 RP / 482 TR = 25.7%
Prince Fielder Mil 103 RP / 405 TR = 25.4%
Ryan Braun Mil 103 RP / 405 TR = 25.4% (they are tied, and obviously they have great hitters around each other in the lineup)
Miguel Cabrera, Det 104 RP / 413 TR = 25.2%
Jose Bautista Tor 107 RP / 426 TR = 25.1%
I think that's everyone helping produce over 25% his team's runs. I probably fucked something up there - sorry.
Others:
Paul Konerko, CWS 86 RP / 366 TR = 23.5%
Joey Votto, Cin 101 RP / 437 TR = 23.1% (I concede that Votto is a vastly superior defensive 1B though.)
I don't care what Ryan Howard's "WAR" is. This team would be 3 or 4 games behind the Braves without him.
Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; WF Center 10/21/13; WF Center 10/22/13; Baltimore 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
of course it is...why are we comparing mmj with u2 though? i don't get that.
I don't know - ask pjhawks.
I'm gonna regret this...
So, I was wondering something. I took runs produced (runs + RBI - homers) divided by total team runs to get the percent of a team's runs that certain guys were involved in. Doesn't that sound like a good measure of how valuable offensively a guy is to his team? I think it is.
Matt Kemp, LA 100 runs produced (RP) / 340 team runs (TR) = 29.4%
Andrew McCutchen, Pit 94 RP / 354 TR = 26.6%
Ryan Howard, Phi 101 RP / 384 TR = 26.3%
Curtis Granderson, NYY 117 RP / 455 TR = 25.7%
Adrian Gonzalez, Bos 124 RP / 482 TR = 25.7%
Prince Fielder Mil 103 RP / 405 TR = 25.4%
Ryan Braun Mil 103 RP / 405 TR = 25.4% (they are tied, and obviously they have great hitters around each other in the lineup)
Miguel Cabrera, Det 104 RP / 413 TR = 25.2%
Jose Bautista Tor 107 RP / 426 TR = 25.1%
I think that's everyone helping produce over 25% his team's runs. I probably fucked something up there - sorry.
Others:
Paul Konerko, CWS 86 RP / 366 TR = 23.5%
Joey Votto, Cin 101 RP / 437 TR = 23.1% (I concede that Votto is a vastly superior defensive 1B though.)
I don't care what Ryan Howard's "WAR" is. This team would be 3 or 4 games behind the Braves without him.
Johnny your posts the last week or so have been the best posted shit in this thread in a long long time. How any says 40 and 135 isn't meeting up to contract standards is blind. Of course he's overpaid but that dosen't mean he's not producing at an insane rate.
of course it is...why are we comparing mmj with u2 though? i don't get that.
I don't know - ask pjhawks.
I'm gonna regret this...
So, I was wondering something. I took runs produced (runs + RBI - homers) divided by total team runs to get the percent of a team's runs that certain guys were involved in. Doesn't that sound like a good measure of how valuable offensively a guy is to his team? I think it is.
Matt Kemp, LA 100 runs produced (RP) / 340 team runs (TR) = 29.4%
Andrew McCutchen, Pit 94 RP / 354 TR = 26.6%
Ryan Howard, Phi 101 RP / 384 TR = 26.3%
Curtis Granderson, NYY 117 RP / 455 TR = 25.7%
Adrian Gonzalez, Bos 124 RP / 482 TR = 25.7%
Prince Fielder Mil 103 RP / 405 TR = 25.4%
Ryan Braun Mil 103 RP / 405 TR = 25.4% (they are tied, and obviously they have great hitters around each other in the lineup)
Miguel Cabrera, Det 104 RP / 413 TR = 25.2%
Jose Bautista Tor 107 RP / 426 TR = 25.1%
I think that's everyone helping produce over 25% his team's runs. I probably fucked something up there - sorry.
Others:
Paul Konerko, CWS 86 RP / 366 TR = 23.5%
Joey Votto, Cin 101 RP / 437 TR = 23.1% (I concede that Votto is a vastly superior defensive 1B though.)
I don't care what Ryan Howard's "WAR" is. This team would be 3 or 4 games behind the Braves without him.
thought about this last night and decided these are the only things/numbers i need to ever list in favor of ryan howard:
1) a rookie of the year, mvp, and 2nd place in mvp voting in 6+ years (is there any other city in america that would be ripping a player with that resume as much as philly does?)
2) 4th hitter every day for a 4-time (and looking good for 5-time) division winner, world series champion, world series runner-up (NLCS MVP), and a 3rd nlcs appearance (and counting). 3 of those division titles won on the backs of the offense and not the pitching
3) at worst the 3rd best offensive player in the franchise's past 60 years and one of the top 2 best offensive players in the greatest run in franchise history (and on the cusp to be the greatest run in philly sports history)
I only care what ryan has done and does for OUR team. if the above isn't enough (and still counting) for some then there isn't much else to say. Nuff said on this argument.
Johnny your posts the last week or so have been the best posted shit in this thread in a long long time. How any says 40 and 135 isn't meeting up to contract standards is blind. Of course he's overpaid but that dosen't mean he's not producing at an insane rate.
Thanks. I'm done - we'll just let the numbers speak for themselves. I mean, yeah, the guy drives me nuts sometimes (seriously, how could he drop that popup?). But you can't deny how valuable he is. (well not $25M per year, but still pretty fucking important)
Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; WF Center 10/21/13; WF Center 10/22/13; Baltimore 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Why not just look at Runs Created? Your formula, while I like the thought process, still evaluates players on RBI.
Can you tell me in 20 words or less what Runs Created are? I thought I did use runs created (well, not the capitalized version).
Cliffy, the other thing I realized was how awesome Granderson has been this year. I have to eat crow on the "Yankees got fleeced on Granderson trade" thing.
Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; WF Center 10/21/13; WF Center 10/22/13; Baltimore 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Why not just look at Runs Created? Your formula, while I like the thought process, still evaluates players on RBI.
Can you tell me in 20 words or less what Runs Created are? I thought I did use runs created (well, not the capitalized version).
Cliffy, the other thing I realized was how awesome Granderson has been this year. I have to eat crow on the "Yankees got fleeced on Granderson trade" thing.
How many runs a player is worth to his team. There are a few vatiations it and it isn't perfect but it doesn't use RBI, it's more on total bases. The new versions take outs into consideration. I do like your thinking but players with better offenses are going to do better in your formula.
Granderson has been unreal. Everyone ended up happy in that trade, well we will still see if Detroit is. Arizona did pretty damn well in that trade too, so far, but Granderson has been outstanding. One little swing change.
Johnny your posts the last week or so have been the best posted shit in this thread in a long long time. How any says 40 and 135 isn't meeting up to contract standards is blind. Of course he's overpaid but that dosen't mean he's not producing at an insane rate.
Thanks. I'm done - we'll just let the numbers speak for themselves. I mean, yeah, the guy drives me nuts sometimes (seriously, how could he drop that popup?). But you can't deny how valuable he is. (well not $25M per year, but still pretty fucking important)
And they do,he drives me nuts as well but my eyes don't lie. NO PLAYER is worth near 25 a year but sadly that's what it is.
How many runs a player is worth to his team. There are a few vatiations it and it isn't perfect but it doesn't use RBI, it's more on total bases. The new versions take outs into consideration. I do like your thinking but players with better offenses are going to do better in your formula.
Granderson has been unreal. Everyone ended up happy in that trade, well we will still see if Detroit is. Arizona did pretty damn well in that trade too, so far, but Granderson has been outstanding. One little swing change.
I think the total bases kind of stats are better for the steroid-era and for Yankees games. In National League baseball, in 2010/2011 with all of it's 2-1 games, one sac fly (frowned upon by SABRmetrics) can be the crucial difference in a game. I felt like I remembered at least a dozen games this year when Howard had the winning RBI, and I wanted to put my thoughts into numbers, and that's what I came up with.
Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; WF Center 10/21/13; WF Center 10/22/13; Baltimore 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
How many runs a player is worth to his team. There are a few vatiations it and it isn't perfect but it doesn't use RBI, it's more on total bases. The new versions take outs into consideration. I do like your thinking but players with better offenses are going to do better in your formula.
Granderson has been unreal. Everyone ended up happy in that trade, well we will still see if Detroit is. Arizona did pretty damn well in that trade too, so far, but Granderson has been outstanding. One little swing change.
I think the total bases kind of stats are better for the steroid-era and for Yankees games. In National League baseball, in 2010/2011 with all of it's 2-1 games, one sac fly (frowned upon by SABRmetrics) can be the crucial difference in a game. I felt like I remembered at least a dozen games this year when Howard had the winning RBI, and I wanted to put my thoughts into numbers, and that's what I came up with.
of course it is...why are we comparing mmj with u2 though? i don't get that.
I don't know - ask pjhawks.
I'm gonna regret this...
So, I was wondering something. I took runs produced (runs + RBI - homers) divided by total team runs to get the percent of a team's runs that certain guys were involved in. Doesn't that sound like a good measure of how valuable offensively a guy is to his team? I think it is.
Matt Kemp, LA 100 runs produced (RP) / 340 team runs (TR) = 29.4%
Andrew McCutchen, Pit 94 RP / 354 TR = 26.6%
Ryan Howard, Phi 101 RP / 384 TR = 26.3%
Curtis Granderson, NYY 117 RP / 455 TR = 25.7%
Adrian Gonzalez, Bos 124 RP / 482 TR = 25.7%
Prince Fielder Mil 103 RP / 405 TR = 25.4%
Ryan Braun Mil 103 RP / 405 TR = 25.4% (they are tied, and obviously they have great hitters around each other in the lineup)
Miguel Cabrera, Det 104 RP / 413 TR = 25.2%
Jose Bautista Tor 107 RP / 426 TR = 25.1%
I think that's everyone helping produce over 25% his team's runs. I probably fucked something up there - sorry.
Others:
Paul Konerko, CWS 86 RP / 366 TR = 23.5%
Joey Votto, Cin 101 RP / 437 TR = 23.1% (I concede that Votto is a vastly superior defensive 1B though.)
I don't care what Ryan Howard's "WAR" is. This team would be 3 or 4 games behind the Braves without him.
can't be right, Howard is near the top fo the list. :P
of course it is...why are we comparing mmj with u2 though? i don't get that.
I don't know - ask pjhawks.
I'm gonna regret this...
So, I was wondering something. I took runs produced (runs + RBI - homers) divided by total team runs to get the percent of a team's runs that certain guys were involved in. Doesn't that sound like a good measure of how valuable offensively a guy is to his team? I think it is.
Matt Kemp, LA 100 runs produced (RP) / 340 team runs (TR) = 29.4%
Andrew McCutchen, Pit 94 RP / 354 TR = 26.6%
Ryan Howard, Phi 101 RP / 384 TR = 26.3%
Curtis Granderson, NYY 117 RP / 455 TR = 25.7%
Adrian Gonzalez, Bos 124 RP / 482 TR = 25.7%
Prince Fielder Mil 103 RP / 405 TR = 25.4%
Ryan Braun Mil 103 RP / 405 TR = 25.4% (they are tied, and obviously they have great hitters around each other in the lineup)
Miguel Cabrera, Det 104 RP / 413 TR = 25.2%
Jose Bautista Tor 107 RP / 426 TR = 25.1%
I think that's everyone helping produce over 25% his team's runs. I probably fucked something up there - sorry.
Others:
Paul Konerko, CWS 86 RP / 366 TR = 23.5%
Joey Votto, Cin 101 RP / 437 TR = 23.1% (I concede that Votto is a vastly superior defensive 1B though.)
I don't care what Ryan Howard's "WAR" is. This team would be 3 or 4 games behind the Braves without him.
can't be right, Howard is near the top fo the list. :P
you guys over think shit.
Only certain people do, most people understand that your best run producer is extremely valuable.
Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; WF Center 10/21/13; WF Center 10/22/13; Baltimore 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
How many runs a player is worth to his team. There are a few vatiations it and it isn't perfect but it doesn't use RBI, it's more on total bases. The new versions take outs into consideration. I do like your thinking but players with better offenses are going to do better in your formula.
Granderson has been unreal. Everyone ended up happy in that trade, well we will still see if Detroit is. Arizona did pretty damn well in that trade too, so far, but Granderson has been outstanding. One little swing change.
I think the total bases kind of stats are better for the steroid-era and for Yankees games. In National League baseball, in 2010/2011 with all of it's 2-1 games, one sac fly (frowned upon by SABRmetrics) can be the crucial difference in a game. I felt like I remembered at least a dozen games this year when Howard had the winning RBI, and I wanted to put my thoughts into numbers, and that's what I came up with.
Why do you say that total base stats are better for the steroid era? As you know, I prefer stats that are independent of what goes on around you and that is why I gravitate towards Runs Created, OPS and others like that. Like I said yesterday, I really like the triple slash line though and think it can paint a pretty accurate description of a players game.
Yeah, making an out in general is frowned upon in advanced stats for the most part, but hitting an RBI sac fly is not going to hurt your stats in the grand scheme of things.
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Yeah, I think they're great too. I'm really excited. I know many people hate them - that's cool. Whatever you want to think. I just hate dealing with going to any events with 70K people. At least it's not in that dump in Camden.
I got the new MMJ album - it's ok - I can't really get into it that much.
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
kinda wish i got tickets to this shindig tonight. i don't give a shit that it's not really "cool" anymore to like u2. they're one of my alltime faves. achtung baby was one of those difinitive albums in my life.....i could do without all the theatrics of their shows though.
anyone see that curt flood doc on hbo? it's very well done. what an interesting cat he was...
They are playing lots of Achtung Baby on this tour.
U2 has a great "WAR". :P
I will say the new MMJ is much better than the last U2 album.
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
of course it is...why are we comparing mmj with u2 though? i don't get that.
I'm not that into them anymore and can not stand the theatrics, but the shows I went to were good.
And Auchtung Baby, fantastic record.
Jaegs I just randomly threw MMJ in my original sarcastic post. nothing really meant by it.
Johnny well played on the WAR picture/post
Joshua Tree and Actung Baby are tremendous albums and I also really like Rattle and Hum. Think Bono is a huge dbag but can't deny their long term greatness as a band.
back to Phils - anyone seen what the rotation is going to be for the weekend? I know Worley is going friday but haven't seen how they are following him up yet.
I don't know - ask pjhawks.
I'm gonna regret this...
So, I was wondering something. I took runs produced (runs + RBI - homers) divided by total team runs to get the percent of a team's runs that certain guys were involved in. Doesn't that sound like a good measure of how valuable offensively a guy is to his team? I think it is.
Matt Kemp, LA 100 runs produced (RP) / 340 team runs (TR) = 29.4%
Andrew McCutchen, Pit 94 RP / 354 TR = 26.6%
Ryan Howard, Phi 101 RP / 384 TR = 26.3%
Curtis Granderson, NYY 117 RP / 455 TR = 25.7%
Adrian Gonzalez, Bos 124 RP / 482 TR = 25.7%
Prince Fielder Mil 103 RP / 405 TR = 25.4%
Ryan Braun Mil 103 RP / 405 TR = 25.4% (they are tied, and obviously they have great hitters around each other in the lineup)
Miguel Cabrera, Det 104 RP / 413 TR = 25.2%
Jose Bautista Tor 107 RP / 426 TR = 25.1%
I think that's everyone helping produce over 25% his team's runs. I probably fucked something up there - sorry.
Others:
Paul Konerko, CWS 86 RP / 366 TR = 23.5%
Joey Votto, Cin 101 RP / 437 TR = 23.1% (I concede that Votto is a vastly superior defensive 1B though.)
I don't care what Ryan Howard's "WAR" is. This team would be 3 or 4 games behind the Braves without him.
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
thought about this last night and decided these are the only things/numbers i need to ever list in favor of ryan howard:
1) a rookie of the year, mvp, and 2nd place in mvp voting in 6+ years (is there any other city in america that would be ripping a player with that resume as much as philly does?)
2) 4th hitter every day for a 4-time (and looking good for 5-time) division winner, world series champion, world series runner-up (NLCS MVP), and a 3rd nlcs appearance (and counting). 3 of those division titles won on the backs of the offense and not the pitching
3) at worst the 3rd best offensive player in the franchise's past 60 years and one of the top 2 best offensive players in the greatest run in franchise history (and on the cusp to be the greatest run in philly sports history)
I only care what ryan has done and does for OUR team. if the above isn't enough (and still counting) for some then there isn't much else to say. Nuff said on this argument.
Thanks. I'm done - we'll just let the numbers speak for themselves. I mean, yeah, the guy drives me nuts sometimes (seriously, how could he drop that popup?). But you can't deny how valuable he is. (well not $25M per year, but still pretty fucking important)
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Can you tell me in 20 words or less what Runs Created are? I thought I did use runs created (well, not the capitalized version).
Cliffy, the other thing I realized was how awesome Granderson has been this year. I have to eat crow on the "Yankees got fleeced on Granderson trade" thing.
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
How many runs a player is worth to his team. There are a few vatiations it and it isn't perfect but it doesn't use RBI, it's more on total bases. The new versions take outs into consideration. I do like your thinking but players with better offenses are going to do better in your formula.
Granderson has been unreal. Everyone ended up happy in that trade, well we will still see if Detroit is. Arizona did pretty damn well in that trade too, so far, but Granderson has been outstanding. One little swing change.
And they do,he drives me nuts as well but my eyes don't lie. NO PLAYER is worth near 25 a year but sadly that's what it is.
I think the total bases kind of stats are better for the steroid-era and for Yankees games. In National League baseball, in 2010/2011 with all of it's 2-1 games, one sac fly (frowned upon by SABRmetrics) can be the crucial difference in a game. I felt like I remembered at least a dozen games this year when Howard had the winning RBI, and I wanted to put my thoughts into numbers, and that's what I came up with.
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Like i said YOUR EYES don't lie.
can't be right, Howard is near the top fo the list. :P
you guys over think shit.
Only certain people do, most people understand that your best run producer is extremely valuable.
No I'm done.
Getting ready for U2.
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Why do you say that total base stats are better for the steroid era? As you know, I prefer stats that are independent of what goes on around you and that is why I gravitate towards Runs Created, OPS and others like that. Like I said yesterday, I really like the triple slash line though and think it can paint a pretty accurate description of a players game.
Yeah, making an out in general is frowned upon in advanced stats for the most part, but hitting an RBI sac fly is not going to hurt your stats in the grand scheme of things.
Wasn't directed at you.
I have been thinking about biting the bullet and grabbing tickets.
Damn, oh well. Yeah, I am not a huge fan but like the music for the most part and would like to experience their show. Trying to convince the lady.
True, I wouldn't consider it if I were outside of the city.
you threw the bone yesterday
edit--never mind. thought you were talking about the r6 debate.
maybe it's because i'm getting old, but i am now of the firm belief that all concerts should be fridays and saturdays. :x