***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,731
    Obviously a good win last night for you guys. Best record or not, I do think it's pretty clear who the best team in baseball is, and it's not the phillies. Boston hasn't gotten anything out of Crawford and are still unreal. Fuck them though.
  • jamminpearlsjamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Obviously a good win last night for you guys. Best record or not, I do think it's pretty clear who the best team in baseball is, and it's not the phillies. Boston hasn't gotten anything out of Crawford and are still unreal. Fuck them though.
    Boston's good but only Lester scares me. Are pitching will prevail over there's imo.
    Go Birds!!!!
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,601
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Obviously a good win last night for you guys. Best record or not, I do think it's pretty clear who the best team in baseball is, and it's not the phillies. Boston hasn't gotten anything out of Crawford and are still unreal. Fuck them though.

    they're a good team who has the best record in baseball. that's all i i've said. i do think they're the best team in the national league right now though.
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  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Posts: 11,395
    While this offense is certainly frustrating to watch at times, we have to give them some credit for coming up huge last night. Beating the other Cy Young winner with your 7th starter going on the road is a big win.
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  • jamminpearlsjamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    While this offense is certainly frustrating to watch at times, we have to give them some credit for coming up huge last night. Beating the other Cy Young winner with your 7th starter going on the road is a big win.
    Heart goes a long way in sports,and being in tough spots and prevailing in the past means a ton. This team isn't the 2008 hitting machine but there heart and desire will lead them. Not to mention having 3 of the best 6 pitchers in baseball in your rotation.
    Go Birds!!!!
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,435
    While this offense is certainly frustrating to watch at times, we have to give them some credit for coming up huge last night. Beating the other Cy Young winner with your 7th starter going on the road is a big win.
    Heart goes a long way in sports,and being in tough spots and prevailing in the past means a ton. This team isn't the 2008 hitting machine but there heart and desire will lead them. Not to mention having 3 of the best 6 pitchers in baseball in your rotation.

    great point. it's why i so dislike when people only put metrics in stock about players. fact is some players are winners and some are not. guys like rollins and victorino do not always look great or have the best stats but they come up big in big spots often. phils turned up their intensity a notch last night and beat one of the best in baseball. its what winners do. best record in baseball and by far the biggest lead in a division. damn fun to watch this team, especially when they are hitting. i am thoroughly enjoying this team. go get today cole and pray for no more back issues.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,731
    Heart :lol::lol::lol::lol:
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,731
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Obviously a good win last night for you guys. Best record or not, I do think it's pretty clear who the best team in baseball is, and it's not the phillies. Boston hasn't gotten anything out of Crawford and are still unreal. Fuck them though.

    they're a good team who has the best record in baseball. that's all i i've said. i do think they're the best team in the national league right now though.

    I think they are the best team in the NL.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,731
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Obviously a good win last night for you guys. Best record or not, I do think it's pretty clear who the best team in baseball is, and it's not the phillies. Boston hasn't gotten anything out of Crawford and are still unreal. Fuck them though.
    Boston's good but only Lester scares me. Are pitching will prevail over there's imo.

    First two pitchers are a toss up at this point. The homo Beckett seems to be on a mission this year. Bostons offense is 9 trillion times better even with zero production from Crawford so far. Moot point though, so far to go.
  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave Posts: 41,823
    bats fell asleep today, but then again we faced decent pitching this series. Looking forward to next Thursday's game against the Bo Sox :D
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  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The homo Beckett seems to be on a mission this year.

    C'mon man, really?
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  • xavier mcdanielxavier mcdaniel Posts: 9,241
    jimed14 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The homo Beckett seems to be on a mission this year.

    C'mon man, really?

    I agree, I like you but that's not really appropriate.
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 16,987
    The Fixer wrote:
    Also, nyc is fucking awesome. I have 3 regrets in life...not playing baseball in college, getting a dui, and not moving here after college. Buddy I'm staying with just broke up with gf of 3.5 years...victorias secret model. Insane

    Wait a minute - she looked like a VS model or actually was a VS model?
  • neilybabes86neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    The Fixer wrote:
    Also, nyc is fucking awesome. I have 3 regrets in life...not playing baseball in college, getting a dui, and not moving here after college. Buddy I'm staying with just broke up with gf of 3.5 years...victorias secret model. Insane



    it really is ..... philly was awesome when i was there for pj.... but nothing comes close to nyc
    i post on the board of a band that doesn't exsist anymore .......i need my head examined.......
  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Posts: 11,395
    The Fixer wrote:
    Also, nyc is fucking awesome. I have 3 regrets in life...not playing baseball in college, getting a dui, and not moving here after college. Buddy I'm staying with just broke up with gf of 3.5 years...victorias secret model. Insane

    it really is ..... philly was awesome when i was there for pj.... but nothing comes close to nyc
    :roll: :roll: :roll:
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,601
    The Fixer wrote:
    Also, nyc is fucking awesome. I have 3 regrets in life...not playing baseball in college, getting a dui, and not moving here after college. Buddy I'm staying with just broke up with gf of 3.5 years...victorias secret model. Insane

    it really is ..... philly was awesome when i was there for pj.... but nothing comes close to nyc
    :roll: :roll: :roll:
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  • neilybabes86neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    The Fixer wrote:
    Also, nyc is fucking awesome. I have 3 regrets in life...not playing baseball in college, getting a dui, and not moving here after college. Buddy I'm staying with just broke up with gf of 3.5 years...victorias secret model. Insane

    it really is ..... philly was awesome when i was there for pj.... but nothing comes close to nyc
    :roll: :roll: :roll:


    it doesn't bro...
    i post on the board of a band that doesn't exsist anymore .......i need my head examined.......
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,601

    it really is ..... philly was awesome when i was there for pj.... but nothing comes close to nyc
    :roll: :roll: :roll:


    it doesn't bro...

    yeah, luckily these people disagree with you:

    Cliff_Lee_Family_07.jpg


    at least brian gordon liked it there. ;):lol::lol:
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  • neilybabes86neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    :roll: :roll: :roll:


    it doesn't bro...

    yeah, luckily these people disagree with you:

    Cliff_Lee_Family_07.jpg


    at least brian gordon liked it there. ;):lol::lol:


    who is that?
    i post on the board of a band that doesn't exsist anymore .......i need my head examined.......
  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Posts: 11,395
    who is that?

    The Lee family. Nicely done Jeags. 8-)
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,601
    who is that?

    The Lee family. Nicely done Jeags. 8-)

    i do what i can. wonder if he knows who brian gordon is? :lol:
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  • neilybabes86neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    who is that?

    The Lee family. Nicely done Jeags. 8-)


    oh the pussy who knew ny would eat him alive and knew he needed major help becasue he isn't a # 1


    glad he didn't come ( went to hide behind roy ) twizzle
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,601
    who is that?

    The Lee family. Nicely done Jeags. 8-)


    oh the pussy who knew ny would eat him alive and knew he needed major help becasue he isn't a # 1


    glad he didn't come ( went to hide behind roy ) twizzle

    if looking at it that way makes you feel better.... :lol:
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  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Posts: 11,395
    i do what i can. wonder if he knows who brian gordon is? :lol:

    haha


    So, Fixer, was the Victoria's Secret chick anorexic. Would be pretty boring to go out to dinner with one of those. :lol:
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  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Posts: 11,395
    oh the pussy who knew ny would eat him alive and knew he needed major help becasue he isn't a # 1

    glad he didn't come ( went to hide behind roy ) twizzle

    if looking at it that way makes you feel better.... :lol:

    NY really ate him alive in that World Series. :lol:
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  • 8181 Posts: 58,276
    NY fans are quickly getting on my most annoying sports fan list. :P
    81 is now off the air

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  • neilybabes86neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    oh the pussy who knew ny would eat him alive and knew he needed major help becasue he isn't a # 1

    glad he didn't come ( went to hide behind roy ) twizzle

    if looking at it that way makes you feel better.... :lol:

    NY really ate him alive in that World Series. :lol:


    not him..but the rest of the phils if memory serves me correct
    i post on the board of a band that doesn't exsist anymore .......i need my head examined.......
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,601
    The 81 wrote:
    NY fans are quickly getting on my most annoying sports fan list. :P

    cliff lee agrees with you.
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  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Posts: 11,395
    Worst Defense in Baseball??? Damn.

    In the piece I wrote last week about Cliff Lee's struggles, I pointed out that a lot of his problems had to do with the Phillies' poor defense. This led one commenter to write:

    "This article seems to forget that the Phillies are the team with the second least amount of errors in baseball. Poor defense? No. Defensive runs saved is a very flawed statistic."

    The commenter is correct about the errors. The Philadelphia Phillies have made the third-fewest errors and have the highest fielding percentage in the baseball this season. By this logic, you might be fooled into thinking they're a great defensive team behind their superb pitching staff. But there is so much more to good defense than not making errors.

    Errors provide useful information. When the official scorer assigns an error, we know that the fielder has gotten to the ball and either bobbled it, made a bad throw or committed some other miscue on a play that would normally be made successfully. The fielder screwed up, and he should be penalized for it; hence, he is charged with an error.

    However, there are well-documented issues with using errors to evaluate fielders. For starters, there is often room for disagreement in the official scorer's ruling. Additionally, errors don't appropriately account for a fielder's range; if a shortstop is a step slow and doesn't reach a ground ball through the hole, he's not likely to be charged with an error, although other shortstops might have made the play.

    Many analysts have attempted to accommodate these concerns. For example, Bill James decided to focus on the plays a fielder does make, rather than the plays he does not. Along these lines, he proposed the original range factor formula, which simply counts the number of assists and putouts per nine innings. Players with great range tend to reach more balls and have a higher range factor than others at their position.

    While an improvement over Fielding Percentage, range factor still has a few complicating factors. For instance, a shortstop behind a ground-ball pitcher would have more opportunities than a fly-ball pitcher.

    Phillies pitchers have induced a ton of ground balls this year. The league batting average on ground balls is .227. The Phillies have allowed a .248 average on grounders, the third-worst in baseball behind the Arizona Diamondbacks and the Chicago Cubs. This is a strong indication that Philadelphia infielders are not getting to that many ground balls, and you can't make an error on a ball you don't get to.

    Additionally, ground balls are not all equal. Obviously, a hard-hit ball in the hole is a much tougher play than a routine three-hopper right at the shortstop. Additionally, as discussed recently in an article about batting average on balls in play, ground-ball specialists like Trevor Cahill tend to allow a lower batting average than other pitchers on their ground balls. This unevenness is not guaranteed to even out over the course of the season.

    That's why Baseball Info Solutions' video scouts plot the location and velocity (hard, medium or soft) of each ground ball over the course of the season. With this information, we can approximate the difficulty of each ball in play (not just ground balls) for each fielder. That's exactly what John Dewan did with the plus/minus system.

    Given the location and velocity of the ground balls allowed by the Phillies' pitching staff year, a lineup of average infielders would have made about 627 plays. The Phillies' infield actually made 587 plays, a 40-play difference. Converting 40 outs into hits makes a difference of about 30 runs. Despite their low error total, the Phillies' infield has cost the pitching staff about 40 outs and 30 runs this year. Check out the chart below, which shows the teams with the biggest gap between their infield's ranking in fielding percentage and plus/minus.

    Major differences
    The following five teams have the largest discrepancy between their infield rankings for fielding percentage and defensive runs saved. The Phillies come up first in one and last in the other.

    Team Fielding Pct Rank Plus/Minus Rank
    Phillies 0.988 1 -40 30
    Rangers 0.980 27 12 3
    Athletics 0.980 28 -14 12
    Dodgers 0.987 6 -24 21
    Mets 0.986 8 -22 19

    The Phillies are an excellent team that will very likely win the National League East again. But that doesn't mean they have a good infield defense. In fact, despite what fielding percentage might tell you, they have a poor one.
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