oh the pussy who knew ny would eat him alive and knew he needed major help becasue he isn't a # 1
glad he didn't come ( went to hide behind roy ) twizzle
if looking at it that way makes you feel better....
it doesn't make me feel better becasue i could care less in all honesty
but in all reality...he was afraid of the big lights so he went to become a # 2 ..which is fine...but he is a twizzle
it's pretty clear by your posts today, near the deadline last year, and during the off season, that you do care.
he came here because he has a better shot at winning a championship than in new york. deal with it.
like i said though, at least you got brian gordon and bartolo colon. those are the kinds of pitchers the phillies used to get. they should help you guys.
In the piece I wrote last week about Cliff Lee's struggles, I pointed out that a lot of his problems had to do with the Phillies' poor defense. This led one commenter to write:
"This article seems to forget that the Phillies are the team with the second least amount of errors in baseball. Poor defense? No. Defensive runs saved is a very flawed statistic."
The commenter is correct about the errors. The Philadelphia Phillies have made the third-fewest errors and have the highest fielding percentage in the baseball this season. By this logic, you might be fooled into thinking they're a great defensive team behind their superb pitching staff. But there is so much more to good defense than not making errors.
Errors provide useful information. When the official scorer assigns an error, we know that the fielder has gotten to the ball and either bobbled it, made a bad throw or committed some other miscue on a play that would normally be made successfully. The fielder screwed up, and he should be penalized for it; hence, he is charged with an error.
However, there are well-documented issues with using errors to evaluate fielders. For starters, there is often room for disagreement in the official scorer's ruling. Additionally, errors don't appropriately account for a fielder's range; if a shortstop is a step slow and doesn't reach a ground ball through the hole, he's not likely to be charged with an error, although other shortstops might have made the play.
Many analysts have attempted to accommodate these concerns. For example, Bill James decided to focus on the plays a fielder does make, rather than the plays he does not. Along these lines, he proposed the original range factor formula, which simply counts the number of assists and putouts per nine innings. Players with great range tend to reach more balls and have a higher range factor than others at their position.
While an improvement over Fielding Percentage, range factor still has a few complicating factors. For instance, a shortstop behind a ground-ball pitcher would have more opportunities than a fly-ball pitcher.
Phillies pitchers have induced a ton of ground balls this year. The league batting average on ground balls is .227. The Phillies have allowed a .248 average on grounders, the third-worst in baseball behind the Arizona Diamondbacks and the Chicago Cubs. This is a strong indication that Philadelphia infielders are not getting to that many ground balls, and you can't make an error on a ball you don't get to.
Additionally, ground balls are not all equal. Obviously, a hard-hit ball in the hole is a much tougher play than a routine three-hopper right at the shortstop. Additionally, as discussed recently in an article about batting average on balls in play, ground-ball specialists like Trevor Cahill tend to allow a lower batting average than other pitchers on their ground balls. This unevenness is not guaranteed to even out over the course of the season.
That's why Baseball Info Solutions' video scouts plot the location and velocity (hard, medium or soft) of each ground ball over the course of the season. With this information, we can approximate the difficulty of each ball in play (not just ground balls) for each fielder. That's exactly what John Dewan did with the plus/minus system.
Given the location and velocity of the ground balls allowed by the Phillies' pitching staff year, a lineup of average infielders would have made about 627 plays. The Phillies' infield actually made 587 plays, a 40-play difference. Converting 40 outs into hits makes a difference of about 30 runs. Despite their low error total, the Phillies' infield has cost the pitching staff about 40 outs and 30 runs this year. Check out the chart below, which shows the teams with the biggest gap between their infield's ranking in fielding percentage and plus/minus.
Major differences
The following five teams have the largest discrepancy between their infield rankings for fielding percentage and defensive runs saved. The Phillies come up first in one and last in the other.
The Phillies are an excellent team that will very likely win the National League East again. But that doesn't mean they have a good infield defense. In fact, despite what fielding percentage might tell you, they have a poor one.
oh boy. defensive statistics puh-leeeze. absolute hogwash. way too many factors not taken into play for defensive statistics to have any relevance. 30 runs....jeez we'd be about 65-5 with 30 less runs given up. remember half of analysis is anal.
last time i checked the florida marlins have more titles in recent times doh
good one. they've got the same number of championships as the phils and yankees in the last ten years.
all that matters is now though. hopefully colon gets back on the mound for you guys soon.
This whole argument is so dumb. Yes, hopefully Colon does get back on the mound because he has better numbers than Cliff Lee this year and is getting paid $1 million. I wanted Lee on the Yankees as much as the next guy but maybe not paying a 37 year old guy $25 million isn't the worst thing in the world.
You can say all you want about Colon and Lee and all that but the fact is, the Yankees have more resources than anyone in the game and the expectation every year is to win the world series, an expectation you are now seeing for the first time in your life. The Yankees will make moves that no other team in baseball can make and will be just fine, so talk all your shit now because in the long run I am pretty certain that the Yanks will be celebrating many more championships than the Phillies will.
Can't let Jeter walk, bad contract but it won't hurt them and how do you let someone in the third year of their contract walk? Jorge has been worth his contract and has been hitting pretty damn well of late. The Arod contract blows.
you cats finally won 1 ..yes 1 ws and your heads blew up
win a few more then you can talk shit
I love this from the guy who still drones on about one Stanley Cup from 17 years ago.
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last time i checked the florida marlins have more titles in recent times doh
good one. they've got the same number of championships as the phils and yankees in the last ten years.
all that matters is now though. hopefully colon gets back on the mound for you guys soon.
This whole argument is so dumb. Yes, hopefully Colon does get back on the mound because he has better numbers than Cliff Lee this year and is getting paid $1 million. I wanted Lee on the Yankees as much as the next guy but maybe not paying a 37 year old guy $25 million isn't the worst thing in the world.
You can say all you want about Colon and Lee and all that but the fact is, the Yankees have more resources than anyone in the game and the expectation every year is to win the world series, an expectation you are now seeing for the first time in your life. The Yankees will make moves that no other team in baseball can make and will be just fine, so talk all your shit now because in the long run I am pretty certain that the Yanks will be celebrating many more championships than the Phillies will.
wow...the yanks fans are a lil' chipper this morning eh? 15 million to a 42 year old derek jeter is much smarter.
look---even cliff lee's laughing at you guys this morning
you cats finally won 1 ..yes 1 ws and your heads blew up
win a few more then you can talk shit
I love this from the guy who still drones on about one Stanley Cup from 17 years ago.
well played...
35 years bud...fact
and to answer your jeter question that disappered...... ticket sales and merchandise alone are a few hundred million....people come to see jeter ....and they spend money
so the yanks have no problem overpaying him becasue he alone quadruples the money
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i post on the board of a band that doesn't exsist anymore .......i need my head examined.......
wow...the yanks fans are a lil' chipper this morning eh? 15 million to a 42 year old derek jeter is much smarter.
look---even cliff lee's laughing at you guys this morning
Jesus, the Jeter contract is not a good contract but it isn't going to hurt the team either. He isn't going to finish his career hitting leadoff or playing shortstop and he isn't going to hinder the team from winning. There is no alternate shortstop for the Yankees right now and when there is, he will move off short. The Jeter contract is irrelevant. If we want to talk about bad Yankees contracts, talk to me about Arod and Soriano, not Jeter, it's pointless.
wow...the yanks fans are a lil' chipper this morning eh? 15 million to a 42 year old derek jeter is much smarter.
look---even cliff lee's laughing at you guys this morning
Jesus, the Jeter contract is not a good contract but it isn't going to hurt the team either. He isn't going to finish his career hitting leadoff or playing shortstop and he isn't going to hinder the team from winning. There is no alternate shortstop for the Yankees right now and when there is, he will move off short. The Jeter contract is irrelevant. If we want to talk about bad Yankees contracts, talk to me about Arod and Soriano, not Jeter, it's pointless.
okay. insert arod or soriano into my sentence then. i don't care. doesn't matter to me.
i don't know why you guys are so frazzled this morning. all i said to neily was that cliff lee disagreed with his assessment that ny was a better city than philly. maybe i struck a nerve
you cats finally won 1 ..yes 1 ws and your heads blew up
win a few more then you can talk shit
and yet the flyers haven't won 35 years....go figure
difference is nobody talks about a championship from that many years ago...except you. 1994
just as the phils finally winning 3 years ago... the same thing applied to the rangers....fans waited many many years and it will never leave our memory ....do we want to win again..of course
but as diehard hockey fans ..that magical year means the world to us
i post on the board of a band that doesn't exsist anymore .......i need my head examined.......
wow...the yanks fans are a lil' chipper this morning eh? 15 million to a 42 year old derek jeter is much smarter.
look---even cliff lee's laughing at you guys this morning
Jesus, the Jeter contract is not a good contract but it isn't going to hurt the team either. He isn't going to finish his career hitting leadoff or playing shortstop and he isn't going to hinder the team from winning. There is no alternate shortstop for the Yankees right now and when there is, he will move off short. The Jeter contract is irrelevant. If we want to talk about bad Yankees contracts, talk to me about Arod and Soriano, not Jeter, it's pointless.
okay. insert arod or soriano into my sentence then. i don't care. doesn't matter to me.
i don't know why you guys are so frazzled this morning.
Who are you guys to talk about bad contracts? At least the Yankees can eat more of their bad moves and move on.
I just logged on and tried to stay out of it, didn't work out to well though.
and yet the flyers haven't won 35 years....go figure
difference is nobody talks about a championship from that many years ago...except you. 1994
just as the phils finally winning 3 years ago... the same thing applied to the rangers....fans waited many many years and it will never leave our memory ....do we want to win again..of course
but as diehard hockey fans ..that magical year means the world to us
hate to break it to you, but we don't bring up 2008 much at all anymore. keep holding onto 1994 though man
wow...the yanks fans are a lil' chipper this morning eh? 15 million to a 42 year old derek jeter is much smarter.
look---even cliff lee's laughing at you guys this morning
Jesus, the Jeter contract is not a good contract but it isn't going to hurt the team either. He isn't going to finish his career hitting leadoff or playing shortstop and he isn't going to hinder the team from winning. There is no alternate shortstop for the Yankees right now and when there is, he will move off short. The Jeter contract is irrelevant. If we want to talk about bad Yankees contracts, talk to me about Arod and Soriano, not Jeter, it's pointless.
okay. insert arod or soriano into my sentence then. i don't care. doesn't matter to me.
i don't know why you guys are so frazzled this morning. all i said to neily was that cliff lee disagreed with his assessment that ny was a better city than philly. maybe i struck a nerve
oh yea a redneck really struck a nerve :roll:
i post on the board of a band that doesn't exsist anymore .......i need my head examined.......
difference is nobody talks about a championship from that many years ago...except you. 1994
just as the phils finally winning 3 years ago... the same thing applied to the rangers....fans waited many many years and it will never leave our memory ....do we want to win again..of course
but as diehard hockey fans ..that magical year means the world to us
hate to break it to you, but we don't bring up 2008 much at all anymore. keep holding onto 1994 though man
what did u smoke this morning???
it's all the phils have..besides us busting you up in 09
i post on the board of a band that doesn't exsist anymore .......i need my head examined.......
Jesus, the Jeter contract is not a good contract but it isn't going to hurt the team either. He isn't going to finish his career hitting leadoff or playing shortstop and he isn't going to hinder the team from winning. There is no alternate shortstop for the Yankees right now and when there is, he will move off short. The Jeter contract is irrelevant. If we want to talk about bad Yankees contracts, talk to me about Arod and Soriano, not Jeter, it's pointless.
okay. insert arod or soriano into my sentence then. i don't care. doesn't matter to me.
i don't know why you guys are so frazzled this morning.
Who are you guys to talk about bad contracts? At least the Yankees can eat more of their bad moves and move on.
I just logged on and tried to stay out of it, didn't work out to well though.
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it doesn't make me feel better becasue i could care less in all honesty
but in all reality...he was afraid of the big lights so he went to become a # 2 ..which is fine...but he is a twizzle
haha
you cats finally won 1 ..yes 1 ws and your heads blew up
win a few more then you can talk shit
he came here because he has a better shot at winning a championship than in new york. deal with it.
like i said though, at least you got brian gordon and bartolo colon. those are the kinds of pitchers the phillies used to get. they should help you guys.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phi ... 45199.html
oh boy. defensive statistics puh-leeeze. absolute hogwash. way too many factors not taken into play for defensive statistics to have any relevance. 30 runs....jeez we'd be about 65-5 with 30 less runs given up. remember half of analysis is anal.
good one. they've got the same number of championships as the phils and yankees in the last ten years.
all that matters is now though. hopefully colon gets back on the mound for you guys soon.
should have let Jeter, Arod & the catcher walk
This whole argument is so dumb. Yes, hopefully Colon does get back on the mound because he has better numbers than Cliff Lee this year and is getting paid $1 million. I wanted Lee on the Yankees as much as the next guy but maybe not paying a 37 year old guy $25 million isn't the worst thing in the world.
You can say all you want about Colon and Lee and all that but the fact is, the Yankees have more resources than anyone in the game and the expectation every year is to win the world series, an expectation you are now seeing for the first time in your life. The Yankees will make moves that no other team in baseball can make and will be just fine, so talk all your shit now because in the long run I am pretty certain that the Yanks will be celebrating many more championships than the Phillies will.
yea ok jeter....who makes 100's of millions of dollars for the team and is chasing 3,000 hits...makes sense
Can't let Jeter walk, bad contract but it won't hurt them and how do you let someone in the third year of their contract walk? Jorge has been worth his contract and has been hitting pretty damn well of late. The Arod contract blows.
I love this from the guy who still drones on about one Stanley Cup from 17 years ago.
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and both teams have more than the phils in the last 14 years ...
you need to win a few more to talk the talk
and yet the flyers haven't won 35 years....go figure
and yet the flyers haven't won 35 years....go figure
wow...the yanks fans are a lil' chipper this morning eh? 15 million to a 42 year old derek jeter is much smarter.
look---even cliff lee's laughing at you guys this morning
well played...
point<
>you
35 years bud...fact
and to answer your jeter question that disappered...... ticket sales and merchandise alone are a few hundred million....people come to see jeter ....and they spend money
so the yanks have no problem overpaying him becasue he alone quadruples the money
difference is nobody talks about a championship from that many years ago...except you.
Jesus, the Jeter contract is not a good contract but it isn't going to hurt the team either. He isn't going to finish his career hitting leadoff or playing shortstop and he isn't going to hinder the team from winning. There is no alternate shortstop for the Yankees right now and when there is, he will move off short. The Jeter contract is irrelevant. If we want to talk about bad Yankees contracts, talk to me about Arod and Soriano, not Jeter, it's pointless.
okay. insert arod or soriano into my sentence then. i don't care. doesn't matter to me.
i don't know why you guys are so frazzled this morning. all i said to neily was that cliff lee disagreed with his assessment that ny was a better city than philly. maybe i struck a nerve
they lost a game over the weekend to a triple A team...almost lost 2
just as the phils finally winning 3 years ago... the same thing applied to the rangers....fans waited many many years and it will never leave our memory ....do we want to win again..of course
but as diehard hockey fans ..that magical year means the world to us
Who are you guys to talk about bad contracts? At least the Yankees can eat more of their bad moves and move on.
I just logged on and tried to stay out of it, didn't work out to well though.
hate to break it to you, but we don't bring up 2008 much at all anymore. keep holding onto 1994 though man
oh yea a redneck really struck a nerve :roll:
what did u smoke this morning???
it's all the phils have..besides us busting you up in 09
wow. you guys need to relax.