My favorite part - "I’ll miss the guys on the team and the fans who have supported me. Hopefully I’ll be playing against the Phillies and when I do I want the roughest treatment the fans can give me – when I’m pitching. I’m an opposing player – you have to give it to me." He gets it.
Myers is gone? :( I liked him. Wonder if we'll see Moyer next year?
On the bright side heard they re signed Cliff Lee
8/28/98- Camden, NJ
10/31/09- Philly
5/21/10- NYC
9/2/12- Philly, PA
7/19/13- Wrigley
10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
10/21/13- Philly, PA
10/22/13- Philly, PA
10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
4/28/16- Philly, PA
4/29/16- Philly, PA
5/1/16- NYC
5/2/16- NYC
9/2/18- Boston, MA
9/4/18- Boston, MA
9/14/22- Camden, NJ
9/7/24- Philly, PA
9/9/24- Philly, PA
Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly. PA
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
1 million people for that parade up there...1 fucking million. at least we know how to appreciate a winner
...and some piss poor one-liners! :roll: :roll:
If I had known then what I know now...
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
This is how I would treat the roster for next year ....
Returning players that are either contractually going to be back, or that they need to re-sign..
Non-pitchers:
Starters-
Rollins
Victorino
Utley
Howard
Werth
Ibanez
Ruiz
Bench-
Francisco
Stairs
Dobbs
Bako
Pitchers:
Rotation-
1.Lee
2.Hamels
3.Blanton
4.Happ
5.Moyer half the season/Bring up Drabek
'Pen-
Chan Ho
Madson
Lidge
Romero
Eyre
Durbin
Spots open - Third base, utility player, and relief. This is how I'd address those spots...
First and foremost, CHONE FIGGINS. LOVE this guy. Wouldn't be too much of a drop off defensively from Feliz, hits .300 consistently, won't cost a ton more compared to Pedro(Pedro would be 5.5, whereas Chone would probably cost around8/9), and you can have a true lead off hitter or even have an excellent choice in the 7 hole. If you pull the trigger on him, then I'd try to get Mark DeRosa as super-utility player, but in all reality that wouldn't happen so I'd go after Marco Scutaro to be your back-up for Rollins/Utley. Then, address the bullpen - you need a guy who's a shut down set-up man with a chance to take over for Lidge if he still shits the bed. That's why I would go with Fernando Rodney. If you can't get Figgins then I'd go with DeRosa as your 3rd baseman. Penn grad, can play any position, consistently hits 20+ HR's, and I think he rebounds from the surgery which should give you a little more of an advantage in negotiating a contract as opposed to what he would've demanded if he had an injury-free season.
According to Phils brass, as long as we're going through the turnstiles(at a record higher than '08, which they didn't think was possible), they will be able to raise payroll. Now, I don't think they're going to necessarily raise it greatly - maybe 8-9 mil? Along with 20 mil coming off the books with Eaton, Jenkins, & Thome, and the amount of money you were spending on Myers(12 mil?), you'll be able to pay arbitrations and still have enough to make the above happen.
And if there really is any legitimacy to returning to trade talks for Halladay, then oh man, I may - just may - have male panty puddles.
Can't wait to make another trip down to Clearwater in March for St. Patty's Day! Fittingly enough they're playing the Yanks. Nice.
Watched the AFL All-Star game last night.....Dom Brown looks like he's going to be a beast. 6'6" or 6'7" with power, speed, and a rocket arm. Looks like the next Strawberry - the playing style, NOT drug habit style.
I'm not sure I like the Feliz move, great defensive third baseman are not a dime a dozen in this league
No, but the few that are in that dozen are out there this year. Namely, Chone Figgins. Get him.
The great thing about this is - and I think the Phils organization are actually recognizing it - we are no longer trying to stay competitive or compare ourselves to the best in the NL East, or even the NL for that matter. It's now the best of the AL we are trying to equate ourselves. I'm starting to like the change in philosophy that I think I'm seeing. I cannot reiterate "think" enough.
How would the Phillies get Halladay without giving up Drabek or Happ?
Secondly and I am curious on your opinions on this. The Phillies would seemingly have to give away the farm to acquire Lee and now Halladay. The Phillies would have almost no possibility of signing both of them long term past next year. What would happen after next season, you would have one star pitcher (assuming they could only sign one) and almost no farm system? Is it worth it?
How would the Phillies get Halladay without giving up Drabek or Happ?
Secondly and I am curious on your opinions on this. The Phillies would seemingly have to give away the farm to acquire Lee and now Halladay. The Phillies would have almost no possibility of signing both of them long term past next year. What would happen after next season, you would have one star pitcher (assuming they could only sign one) and almost no farm system? Is it worth it?
The word on the street is you trade for Halladay and sign him to a long term deal, while taking a shot with a rotation of Lee, Halladay, Hamels, Blanton, Moyer/Drabek. You would sign Doc to a 110/120 million dollar deal and let Lee walk. A trade for Halladay will still be costly, but not as much as last year because you're only getting him for one "run". So if the original proposal was Happ, Drabek, Taylor, and Gose(I believe it was), can now become Happ, Taylor/Brown(one of the two - I'd go with Taylor) and Gose. The Phils have labeled Drabek untouchable, and I believe this would get the deal done. It's all about money on the payroll. The Jays would have Happ under control - and in the rotation - for 4 or 5 years along with some good prospects. Plus, you're never going to get greater value for Werth so they could look to move him with either Taylor or Brown waiting in the wings.
How would the Phillies get Halladay without giving up Drabek or Happ?
Secondly and I am curious on your opinions on this. The Phillies would seemingly have to give away the farm to acquire Lee and now Halladay. The Phillies would have almost no possibility of signing both of them long term past next year. What would happen after next season, you would have one star pitcher (assuming they could only sign one) and almost no farm system? Is it worth it?
No way...some how some way we will land Halladay..watch...and dont worry about our farm system...its always growing..unlike whats growing in New York LOL
wait...If you look closely you can see Jose Reyes!
How would the Phillies get Halladay without giving up Drabek or Happ?
Secondly and I am curious on your opinions on this. The Phillies would seemingly have to give away the farm to acquire Lee and now Halladay. The Phillies would have almost no possibility of signing both of them long term past next year. What would happen after next season, you would have one star pitcher (assuming they could only sign one) and almost no farm system? Is it worth it?
The word on the street is you trade for Halladay and sign him to a long term deal, while taking a shot with a rotation of Lee, Halladay, Hamels, Blanton, Moyer/Drabek. You would sign Doc to a 110/120 million dollar deal and let Lee walk. A trade for Halladay will still be costly, but not as much as last year because you're only getting him for one "run". So if the original proposal was Happ, Drabek, Taylor, and Gose(I believe it was), can now become Happ, Taylor/Brown(one of the two - I'd go with Taylor) and Gose. The Phils have labeled Drabek untouchable, and I believe this would get the deal done. It's all about money on the payroll. The Jays would have Happ under control - and in the rotation - for 4 or 5 years along with some good prospects. Plus, you're never going to get greater value for Werth so they could look to move him with either Taylor or Brown waiting in the wings.
Interesting. In my opinion, I don't think Happ, Taylor/Brown and Gose would get it done. I would also be curious to see where scouts rank Happ after this season. From everything I have read he projected to be a 3rd starter. I wonder if that changes. Reminds me a bit of the Ian Kennedy situation with the Yankees except Happ has a bigger sample size. Werth is only locked up for one more year so I am not sure how much value he would add to the trade considering the Jays situation.
While I agree that the demands might be a bit less for Halladay since it is only for 1 year, I could also see more teams getting involved since "everyone" has a shot next year and not just the teams making a run at the postseason.
How would the Phillies get Halladay without giving up Drabek or Happ?
Secondly and I am curious on your opinions on this. The Phillies would seemingly have to give away the farm to acquire Lee and now Halladay. The Phillies would have almost no possibility of signing both of them long term past next year. What would happen after next season, you would have one star pitcher (assuming they could only sign one) and almost no farm system? Is it worth it?
No way...some how some way we will land Halladay..watch...and dont worry about our farm system...its always growing..unlike whats growing in New York LOL
wait...If you look closely you can see Jose Reyes!
I have zero problems with the Yankees farm. Montero, Jackson, Romine and a whole bunch of decent pitching prospects. Not bad for a team that continually sings Type-A free agents.
premature ejaculation!...i think we gotta give up happ to get doc. happ, brown, and gose and BOOM. i'll see you on broad street next year. happ could very well turn out to be tyler green. he didnt look as good down the stretch as he did his first trip around the league. i would do this in a 2nd. you still get to keep your top pitching prospect in drabek and michael taylor who is close to being ready to take over for ibanez (move werth to right and put taylor in right if need be). farm system is not totally drained and we win another world series.
...then sign either lee or doc to a long term extension. i would NOT give up hamels as some have suggested though.
How would the Phillies get Halladay without giving up Drabek or Happ?
Secondly and I am curious on your opinions on this. The Phillies would seemingly have to give away the farm to acquire Lee and now Halladay. The Phillies would have almost no possibility of signing both of them long term past next year. What would happen after next season, you would have one star pitcher (assuming they could only sign one) and almost no farm system? Is it worth it?
The word on the street is you trade for Halladay and sign him to a long term deal, while taking a shot with a rotation of Lee, Halladay, Hamels, Blanton, Moyer/Drabek. You would sign Doc to a 110/120 million dollar deal and let Lee walk. A trade for Halladay will still be costly, but not as much as last year because you're only getting him for one "run". So if the original proposal was Happ, Drabek, Taylor, and Gose(I believe it was), can now become Happ, Taylor/Brown(one of the two - I'd go with Taylor) and Gose. The Phils have labeled Drabek untouchable, and I believe this would get the deal done. It's all about money on the payroll. The Jays would have Happ under control - and in the rotation - for 4 or 5 years along with some good prospects. Plus, you're never going to get greater value for Werth so they could look to move him with either Taylor or Brown waiting in the wings.
Interesting. In my opinion, I don't think Happ, Taylor/Brown and Gose would get it done. I would also be curious to see where scouts rank Happ after this season. From everything I have read he projected to be a 3rd starter. I wonder if that changes. Reminds me a bit of the Ian Kennedy situation with the Yankees except Happ has a bigger sample size. Werth is only locked up for one more year so I am not sure how much value he would add to the trade considering the Jays situation.
While I agree that the demands might be a bit less for Halladay since it is only for 1 year, I could also see more teams getting involved since "everyone" has a shot next year and not just the teams making a run at the postseason.
I already read that the Jay's GM said there is a "limited amount of teams" he's willing to negotiate with and it comes to about 4 or 5 teams and that the Phils are one of them. And I emailed David Murphy at the Daily News and he said Salisbury and Hoffman's articles weren't written without speaking with a source in baseball that have said that talks have resumed and that they're going to make some kind of effort. And when Happ can put up an ERA in the top 5(or so?) in the NL plus have a low whip and 2 CG SO's, I think he only increased his value.
I already read that the Jay's GM said there is a "limited amount of teams" he's willing to negotiate with and it comes to about 4 or 5 teams and that the Phils are one of them. And I emailed David Murphy at the Daily News and he said Salisbury and Hoffman's articles weren't written without speaking with a source in baseball that have said that talks have resumed and that they're going to make some kind of effort. And when Happ can put up an ERA in the top 5(or so?) in the NL plus have a low whip and 2 CG SO's, I think he only increased his value.
And to your point as well, Halladay as a full no trade clause so that also limits the number of teams. I wonder why a GM would limit the number of teams he is will to negotiate with though. Does not make much sense to me, seems like the more teams bidding the better packaged you are likely to get.
You know Boston and the Dodgers are going to be in the mix.
I definitely think Happ increased his value, I just wonder by how much. His numbers were very good.
I already read that the Jay's GM said there is a "limited amount of teams" he's willing to negotiate with and it comes to about 4 or 5 teams and that the Phils are one of them. And I emailed David Murphy at the Daily News and he said Salisbury and Hoffman's articles weren't written without speaking with a source in baseball that have said that talks have resumed and that they're going to make some kind of effort. And when Happ can put up an ERA in the top 5(or so?) in the NL plus have a low whip and 2 CG SO's, I think he only increased his value.
And to your point as well, Halladay as a full no trade clause so that also limits the number of teams. I wonder why a GM would limit the number of teams he is will to negotiate with though. Does not make much sense to me, seems like the more teams bidding the better packaged you are likely to get.
You know Boston and the Dodgers are going to be in the mix.
I definitely think Happ increased his value, I just wonder by how much. His numbers were very good.
Well, I should've included Shane because he probably carries more cache' in a trade than Werth. Either way, Taylor or Brown will definitely be seeing playing time in the bigs by 2011. I thought Boston is going to make another push for Gonzalez and move Lowell over to 3rd? EDIT: I mean Youkilis.
I already read that the Jay's GM said there is a "limited amount of teams" he's willing to negotiate with and it comes to about 4 or 5 teams and that the Phils are one of them. And I emailed David Murphy at the Daily News and he said Salisbury and Hoffman's articles weren't written without speaking with a source in baseball that have said that talks have resumed and that they're going to make some kind of effort. And when Happ can put up an ERA in the top 5(or so?) in the NL plus have a low whip and 2 CG SO's, I think he only increased his value.
And to your point as well, Halladay as a full no trade clause so that also limits the number of teams. I wonder why a GM would limit the number of teams he is will to negotiate with though. Does not make much sense to me, seems like the more teams bidding the better packaged you are likely to get.
You know Boston and the Dodgers are going to be in the mix.
I definitely think Happ increased his value, I just wonder by how much. His numbers were very good.
Well, I should've included Shane because he probably carries more cache' in a trade than Werth. Either way, Taylor or Brown will definitely be seeing playing time in the bigs by 2011. I thought Boston is going to make another push for Gonzalez and move Lowell over to 3rd?
I can't remember where I read it but there was an interesting article in the last couple days about how the Padres signing Hoyer as GM makes a Gonzalez to Boston deal unlikely since he knows all of Theo's "tricks". On the contrary, I would think it could also help towards a trade.
I would be really suprised if Boston does not make a run at starting pitching. In my opinion it is their biggest need.
I already read that the Jay's GM said there is a "limited amount of teams" he's willing to negotiate with and it comes to about 4 or 5 teams and that the Phils are one of them. And I emailed David Murphy at the Daily News and he said Salisbury and Hoffman's articles weren't written without speaking with a source in baseball that have said that talks have resumed and that they're going to make some kind of effort. And when Happ can put up an ERA in the top 5(or so?) in the NL plus have a low whip and 2 CG SO's, I think he only increased his value.
And to your point as well, Halladay as a full no trade clause so that also limits the number of teams. I wonder why a GM would limit the number of teams he is will to negotiate with though. Does not make much sense to me, seems like the more teams bidding the better packaged you are likely to get.
You know Boston and the Dodgers are going to be in the mix.
I definitely think Happ increased his value, I just wonder by how much. His numbers were very good.
Well, I should've included Shane because he probably carries more cache' in a trade than Werth. Either way, Taylor or Brown will definitely be seeing playing time in the bigs by 2011. I thought Boston is going to make another push for Gonzalez and move Lowell over to 3rd? EDIT: I mean Youkilis.
i would lock werth up right now. no way would i part with him for halladay. we have enough with happ and the minor league guys to get this done.....plus, if we do not get halladay, its not the end of the world. i fully expect cole hamels to return to form next year. that is still a very solid 1-2 punch that not many teams have. and if we need a starter come july, we can always pull a deadline deal like last year.
And to your point as well, Halladay as a full no trade clause so that also limits the number of teams. I wonder why a GM would limit the number of teams he is will to negotiate with though. Does not make much sense to me, seems like the more teams bidding the better packaged you are likely to get.
You know Boston and the Dodgers are going to be in the mix.
I definitely think Happ increased his value, I just wonder by how much. His numbers were very good.
Well, I should've included Shane because he probably carries more cache' in a trade than Werth. Either way, Taylor or Brown will definitely be seeing playing time in the bigs by 2011. I thought Boston is going to make another push for Gonzalez and move Lowell over to 3rd? EDIT: I mean Youkilis.
i would lock werth up right now. no way would i part with him for halladay. we have enough with happ and the minor league guys to get this done.....plus, if we do not get halladay, its not the end of the world. i fully expect cole hamels to return to form next year. that is still a very solid 1-2 punch that not many teams have. and if we need a starter come july, we can always pull a deadline deal like last year.
I disagree. To go out and push forward because you don't even want to worry about the NL and make winning the World Series your #1 goal more than a pipedream that every player has going into the season(think about where we've come???). Werth's never going to be better than he was this year. Someone will need to go when Taylor or Brown are ready to come up. Shane and Werth will both want about 8/9 mil this year, and it will only sky rocket from there if they excel. And, if they don't - which, like i said, I don't think Werth gets any better, nor younger - now your back to paying guys like you paid Burrell and Lieberthal. Overpaid because of one good season or two. It's pitching, pitching, pitching, pitching, pitching. I can't say that enough. And to have a frontline rotation of Lee, Halladay, and Hamels for a year? You kiddin me??? And it increases your shot of locking either Lee or Halladay up to a number that's more reasonable to both sides than just for the player. I do not see a win/lose or a lose/lose in this scenario - nothing but win/win.
i would lock werth up right now. no way would i part with him for halladay. we have enough with happ and the minor league guys to get this done.....plus, if we do not get halladay, its not the end of the world. i fully expect cole hamels to return to form next year. that is still a very solid 1-2 punch that not many teams have. and if we need a starter come july, we can always pull a deadline deal like last year.
I personally don't think the Phillies need to trade for him. If I were a Phillies fan I would be thrilled at the idea of having a 1-2 of Lee and Halladay but I think it would definitely be going all in next year.
i would lock werth up right now. no way would i part with him for halladay. we have enough with happ and the minor league guys to get this done.....plus, if we do not get halladay, its not the end of the world. i fully expect cole hamels to return to form next year. that is still a very solid 1-2 punch that not many teams have. and if we need a starter come july, we can always pull a deadline deal like last year.
I personally don't think the Phillies need to trade for him. If I were a Phillies fan I would be thrilled at the idea of having a 1-2 of Lee and Halladay but I think it would definitely be going all in next year.
I think it just increases your chance of locking up one of these guys to a long term deal. Because if you don't get Halladay, then you're putting all your eggs in one basket in hoping that you sign Lee. And, if you wait for Doc in 2011, then you're just waiting with everybody else(those Nazi's up north. yeah, i said it.). Lee admitted before coming here that he was intending on testing the market, so you don't really know. All you can do is play the percentages, and that's by having both guys here and seeing you if you can sign either to an extension while they're still in red pinstripes.
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And Myers is gone... http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phi ... eason.html
My favorite part - "I’ll miss the guys on the team and the fans who have supported me. Hopefully I’ll be playing against the Phillies and when I do I want the roughest treatment the fans can give me – when I’m pitching. I’m an opposing player – you have to give it to me." He gets it.
On the bright side heard they re signed Cliff Lee
10/31/09- Philly
5/21/10- NYC
9/2/12- Philly, PA
7/19/13- Wrigley
10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
10/21/13- Philly, PA
10/22/13- Philly, PA
10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
4/28/16- Philly, PA
4/29/16- Philly, PA
5/1/16- NYC
5/2/16- NYC
9/2/18- Boston, MA
9/4/18- Boston, MA
9/14/22- Camden, NJ
9/7/24- Philly, PA
9/9/24- Philly, PA
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
Returning players that are either contractually going to be back, or that they need to re-sign..
Non-pitchers:
Starters-
Rollins
Victorino
Utley
Howard
Werth
Ibanez
Ruiz
Bench-
Francisco
Stairs
Dobbs
Bako
Pitchers:
Rotation-
1.Lee
2.Hamels
3.Blanton
4.Happ
5.Moyer half the season/Bring up Drabek
'Pen-
Chan Ho
Madson
Lidge
Romero
Eyre
Durbin
Spots open - Third base, utility player, and relief. This is how I'd address those spots...
First and foremost, CHONE FIGGINS. LOVE this guy. Wouldn't be too much of a drop off defensively from Feliz, hits .300 consistently, won't cost a ton more compared to Pedro(Pedro would be 5.5, whereas Chone would probably cost around8/9), and you can have a true lead off hitter or even have an excellent choice in the 7 hole. If you pull the trigger on him, then I'd try to get Mark DeRosa as super-utility player, but in all reality that wouldn't happen so I'd go after Marco Scutaro to be your back-up for Rollins/Utley. Then, address the bullpen - you need a guy who's a shut down set-up man with a chance to take over for Lidge if he still shits the bed. That's why I would go with Fernando Rodney. If you can't get Figgins then I'd go with DeRosa as your 3rd baseman. Penn grad, can play any position, consistently hits 20+ HR's, and I think he rebounds from the surgery which should give you a little more of an advantage in negotiating a contract as opposed to what he would've demanded if he had an injury-free season.
According to Phils brass, as long as we're going through the turnstiles(at a record higher than '08, which they didn't think was possible), they will be able to raise payroll. Now, I don't think they're going to necessarily raise it greatly - maybe 8-9 mil? Along with 20 mil coming off the books with Eaton, Jenkins, & Thome, and the amount of money you were spending on Myers(12 mil?), you'll be able to pay arbitrations and still have enough to make the above happen.
And if there really is any legitimacy to returning to trade talks for Halladay, then oh man, I may - just may - have male panty puddles.
Can't wait to make another trip down to Clearwater in March for St. Patty's Day! Fittingly enough they're playing the Yanks. Nice.
Watched the AFL All-Star game last night.....Dom Brown looks like he's going to be a beast. 6'6" or 6'7" with power, speed, and a rocket arm. Looks like the next Strawberry - the playing style, NOT drug habit style.
No, but the few that are in that dozen are out there this year. Namely, Chone Figgins. Get him.
The great thing about this is - and I think the Phils organization are actually recognizing it - we are no longer trying to stay competitive or compare ourselves to the best in the NL East, or even the NL for that matter. It's now the best of the AL we are trying to equate ourselves. I'm starting to like the change in philosophy that I think I'm seeing. I cannot reiterate "think" enough.
that made me laugh out loud.
If the Phillies get Figgins it would be close to a toss up on which left side of the infield I hate more. Rollins and Figgins or Pedroia and Youklis
Pedroia plays second base ... and Youk plays more 1st base with Lowell at 3rd.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Haha good point. I am a moron
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/200 ... laday.html
I don't need to be teased like this!
Lee
Hamels
Drabek
Happ
I think i just jizzed
9/24/96 MD. 9/28/96 Randalls. 8/28-29/98 Camden. 9/8/98 NJ. 9/18/98 MD. 9/1-2/00 Camden. 9/4/00 MD. 4/28/03 Philly. 7/5-6/03 Camden. 9/30/05 AC.
10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
How would the Phillies get Halladay without giving up Drabek or Happ?
Secondly and I am curious on your opinions on this. The Phillies would seemingly have to give away the farm to acquire Lee and now Halladay. The Phillies would have almost no possibility of signing both of them long term past next year. What would happen after next season, you would have one star pitcher (assuming they could only sign one) and almost no farm system? Is it worth it?
I'm also wondering if the Phils will trade either Victorino or Werth. Werth is a free agent after next year and Victorino 2 years away.
I can't see them keeping both in unless they buy Rollins out after next season.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
The word on the street is you trade for Halladay and sign him to a long term deal, while taking a shot with a rotation of Lee, Halladay, Hamels, Blanton, Moyer/Drabek. You would sign Doc to a 110/120 million dollar deal and let Lee walk. A trade for Halladay will still be costly, but not as much as last year because you're only getting him for one "run". So if the original proposal was Happ, Drabek, Taylor, and Gose(I believe it was), can now become Happ, Taylor/Brown(one of the two - I'd go with Taylor) and Gose. The Phils have labeled Drabek untouchable, and I believe this would get the deal done. It's all about money on the payroll. The Jays would have Happ under control - and in the rotation - for 4 or 5 years along with some good prospects. Plus, you're never going to get greater value for Werth so they could look to move him with either Taylor or Brown waiting in the wings.
No way...some how some way we will land Halladay..watch...and dont worry about our farm system...its always growing..unlike whats growing in New York LOL
wait...If you look closely you can see Jose Reyes!
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Interesting. In my opinion, I don't think Happ, Taylor/Brown and Gose would get it done. I would also be curious to see where scouts rank Happ after this season. From everything I have read he projected to be a 3rd starter. I wonder if that changes. Reminds me a bit of the Ian Kennedy situation with the Yankees except Happ has a bigger sample size. Werth is only locked up for one more year so I am not sure how much value he would add to the trade considering the Jays situation.
While I agree that the demands might be a bit less for Halladay since it is only for 1 year, I could also see more teams getting involved since "everyone" has a shot next year and not just the teams making a run at the postseason.
I have zero problems with the Yankees farm. Montero, Jackson, Romine and a whole bunch of decent pitching prospects. Not bad for a team that continually sings Type-A free agents.
...then sign either lee or doc to a long term extension. i would NOT give up hamels as some have suggested though.
Go go gadget! Spelling bee!
Hark! I think I see a mispelled word!
Haha...just playin Cliffy
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I already read that the Jay's GM said there is a "limited amount of teams" he's willing to negotiate with and it comes to about 4 or 5 teams and that the Phils are one of them. And I emailed David Murphy at the Daily News and he said Salisbury and Hoffman's articles weren't written without speaking with a source in baseball that have said that talks have resumed and that they're going to make some kind of effort. And when Happ can put up an ERA in the top 5(or so?) in the NL plus have a low whip and 2 CG SO's, I think he only increased his value.
And to your point as well, Halladay as a full no trade clause so that also limits the number of teams. I wonder why a GM would limit the number of teams he is will to negotiate with though. Does not make much sense to me, seems like the more teams bidding the better packaged you are likely to get.
You know Boston and the Dodgers are going to be in the mix.
I definitely think Happ increased his value, I just wonder by how much. His numbers were very good.
Well, I should've included Shane because he probably carries more cache' in a trade than Werth. Either way, Taylor or Brown will definitely be seeing playing time in the bigs by 2011. I thought Boston is going to make another push for Gonzalez and move Lowell over to 3rd? EDIT: I mean Youkilis.
I can't remember where I read it but there was an interesting article in the last couple days about how the Padres signing Hoyer as GM makes a Gonzalez to Boston deal unlikely since he knows all of Theo's "tricks". On the contrary, I would think it could also help towards a trade.
I would be really suprised if Boston does not make a run at starting pitching. In my opinion it is their biggest need.
i would lock werth up right now. no way would i part with him for halladay. we have enough with happ and the minor league guys to get this done.....plus, if we do not get halladay, its not the end of the world. i fully expect cole hamels to return to form next year. that is still a very solid 1-2 punch that not many teams have. and if we need a starter come july, we can always pull a deadline deal like last year.
I disagree. To go out and push forward because you don't even want to worry about the NL and make winning the World Series your #1 goal more than a pipedream that every player has going into the season(think about where we've come???). Werth's never going to be better than he was this year. Someone will need to go when Taylor or Brown are ready to come up. Shane and Werth will both want about 8/9 mil this year, and it will only sky rocket from there if they excel. And, if they don't - which, like i said, I don't think Werth gets any better, nor younger - now your back to paying guys like you paid Burrell and Lieberthal. Overpaid because of one good season or two. It's pitching, pitching, pitching, pitching, pitching. I can't say that enough. And to have a frontline rotation of Lee, Halladay, and Hamels for a year? You kiddin me??? And it increases your shot of locking either Lee or Halladay up to a number that's more reasonable to both sides than just for the player. I do not see a win/lose or a lose/lose in this scenario - nothing but win/win.
I personally don't think the Phillies need to trade for him. If I were a Phillies fan I would be thrilled at the idea of having a 1-2 of Lee and Halladay but I think it would definitely be going all in next year.
I think it just increases your chance of locking up one of these guys to a long term deal. Because if you don't get Halladay, then you're putting all your eggs in one basket in hoping that you sign Lee. And, if you wait for Doc in 2011, then you're just waiting with everybody else(those Nazi's up north. yeah, i said it.). Lee admitted before coming here that he was intending on testing the market, so you don't really know. All you can do is play the percentages, and that's by having both guys here and seeing you if you can sign either to an extension while they're still in red pinstripes.