***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

The Juggler

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Posted this over in the Yankees and Boston threads but it is relevant to the Phillies as well so I figured I would post it here as well since its really interesting.

http://itsaboutthemoney.net/archives/20 ... ot-really/

Of the top 8 teams in terms of revenue, the Yanks are last in terms of percentage spent on payroll. Phillies are 3rd to Boston and Detroit. Kind of makes me think a little differently about the Lee trade. If they had kept him the percentage would go from 60.9% to almost 65% and just behind Detroit.

if its for just one season though....

jimed14

jimed14 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

jamminpearls wrote:

Are starting staff is looking sick.Calling Kyle Kendrick will the real Kyle Kendrick please keep hiding please keep hiding. Hes tryn to be a roy clone and im lovin it.

i gotta hunch double k's gonna have himself a year.

here's to jamie moyer retiring ASAP. beat it old man!

Temper your expectations boys ... anyone who strikes out as few people as Kendrick does cannot sustain long term success.

His 9 IP in spring training are (a) a tiny sample size and (b) a statistical anomoly. Opponents are hitting .137 for balls put in play ... that will at least double over the long term.

... as I was saying ....

The Juggler

jimed14 wrote:

jimed14 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

Temper your expectations boys ... anyone who strikes out as few people as Kendrick does cannot sustain long term success.

His 9 IP in spring training are (a) a tiny sample size and (b) a statistical anomoly. Opponents are hitting .137 for balls put in play ... that will at least double over the long term.

... as I was saying ....

funny you didn't say this 6 days ago...

The Juggler

Ryan Howard Close To Five-Year Extension
By Tim Dierkes [April 26 at 1:08pm CST]
A person close to Ryan Howard says the slugger is about to sign a five-year deal, tweets CSN's Jim Salisbury. Howard is currently signed through 2011, so an extension would run from 2012 through 2016. It appears that we won't see Howard join Albert Pujols, Prince Fielder, and Adrian Gonzalez in the 2012 free agent class.

Howard is in his age 30 season, so the contract would begin with his age 32 season. My initial reaction is that the length makes this an unnecessary risk, since Howard was already signed for two more years. We'll have to see the dollars though.

Back in '08 Howard set a first-time arbitration record with a $10MM salary. A year later he signed a three-year, $54MM extension to buy out his remaining arbitration years. The Phillies clearly like to lock up their guys.

Jearlpam0925

All locked up - sweet.

The Juggler

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

All locked up - sweet.

THIS IS A GREAT DAY GENTLEMEN!

jimed14

The Jeagler wrote:

jimed14 wrote:

jimed14 wrote:

Temper your expectations boys ... anyone who strikes out as few people as Kendrick does cannot sustain long term success.

His 9 IP in spring training are (a) a tiny sample size and (b) a statistical anomoly. Opponents are hitting .137 for balls put in play ... that will at least double over the long term.

... as I was saying ....

funny you didn't say this 6 days ago...

Really, that one good start trumps 3 disasterous starts, and ERA near 8 and allowing nearly 2 baserunners per inning?

Cliffy6745

Holy fuck thats a lot of money for him.

Cliffy6745

The Jeagler wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

All locked up - sweet.

THIS IS A GREAT DAY GENTLEMEN!

Really? You think its a good idea to lock up a slugging first baseman a year before he is to become a free agent for what is going to be the highest contract in the league in terms of AAV? Especially in this market with the contract taking him to 37. Don't get me wrong he is an outstanding player, but this contract is absurd.

neilybabes86

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

All locked up - sweet.

THIS IS A GREAT DAY GENTLEMEN!

Really? You think its a good idea to lock up a slugging first baseman a year before he is to become a free agent for what is going to be the highest contract in the league in terms of AAV? Especially in this market with the contract taking him to 37. Don't get me wrong he is an outstanding player, but this contract is absurd.

don't forget ..he came up big in the series

jimed14

That's a lot of dollars, and more importantly, a lot of years for someone who at age 30 is already showing a crack or two in the armor.

The Juggler

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

All locked up - sweet.

THIS IS A GREAT DAY GENTLEMEN!

Really? You think its a good idea to lock up a slugging first baseman a year before he is to become a free agent for what is going to be the highest contract in the league in terms of AAV? Especially in this market with the contract taking him to 37. Don't get me wrong he is an outstanding player, but this contract is absurd.

lot of money---yes. but i am just thrilled we were able to keep him here. he's a better all around player today than he was 3 years ago. his defense is much, much improved. he's lost a lot of weight and is in better all around shape and is right in the prime of his career. i love it.

jamminpearls

Great deal,love that he should retire a philly.

Cliffy6745

The Jeagler wrote:

lot of money---yes. but i am just thrilled we were able to keep him here. he's a better all around player today than he was 3 years ago. his defense is much, much improved. he's lost a lot of weight and is in better all around shape and is right in the prime of his career. i love it.

I hear you, he is a great player, that is just too much for too long in my opinion. There is no need to extend him a year and a half early for that money or time, its just not good business.

The Juggler

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

lot of money---yes. but i am just thrilled we were able to keep him here. he's a better all around player today than he was 3 years ago. his defense is much, much improved. he's lost a lot of weight and is in better all around shape and is right in the prime of his career. i love it.

I hear you, he is a great player, that is just too much for too long in my opinion. There is no need to extend him a year and a half early for that money or time, its just not good business.

we're so used to losing our stars in this city though. i think its great that he might be able to spend his entire career in philly.

jamminpearls

Too much for too long arwe u serious? 5yrs at 25 million is a great deal for a 30yr. The norm anymore is these insane 10yr contracts gettn him locked up until 2016 is perfect.if he hit the market he probably could have gotten a 5-7yr deal for 25-30 mill a season.great deal ruben.

Cliffy6745

The Jeagler wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

lot of money---yes. but i am just thrilled we were able to keep him here. he's a better all around player today than he was 3 years ago. his defense is much, much improved. he's lost a lot of weight and is in better all around shape and is right in the prime of his career. i love it.

I hear you, he is a great player, that is just too much for too long in my opinion. There is no need to extend him a year and a half early for that money or time, its just not good business.

we're so used to losing our stars in this city though. i think its great that he might be able to spend his entire career in philly.

Fair enough then and absolutely understandable.

RAJ is going to have to get pretty creative with a $140-$150 mil budget in a couple years.

Cliffy6745

jamminpearls wrote:

Too much for too long arwe u serious? 5yrs at 25 million is a great deal for a 30yr. The norm anymore is these insane 10yr contracts gettn him locked up until 2016 is perfect.if he hit the market he probably could have gotten a 5-7yr deal for 25-30 mill a season.great deal ruben.

Try 7 years $164 million with his current contract and no, on one was going to pay Ryan Howard over $25 mil a year. That is a fact.

Edit: How can you say signing a player to the biggest deal in baseball (until Pujols gets paid) is a great deal? I get where Jeags is coming from, but not this.

jimed14

That's all well in good .... nice for him to retire a Phillie.

But, when he's 35 hitting .225 with 20 HRs and still has two years left on his huge contract ... things might feel different.

Again, the years are what I'd have reservations over.

Guys like this, Ortiz, Mo Vaughn, Frank Thomas ... it seems that when it goes, it goes fast.

I couldn't imagine if the Sox had David Ortiz on their payroll for two more years after this year.

jamminpearls

Cliffy6745 wrote:

jamminpearls wrote:

Too much for too long arwe u serious? 5yrs at 25 million is a great deal for a 30yr. The norm anymore is these insane 10yr contracts gettn him locked up until 2016 is perfect.if he hit the market he probably could have gotten a 5-7yr deal for 25-30 mill a season.great deal ruben.

Try 7 years $164 million with his current contract and no, on one was going to pay Ryan Howard over $25 mil a year. That is a fact.

Edit: How can you say signing a player to the biggest deal in baseball (until Pujols gets paid) is a great deal? I get where Jeags is coming from, but not this.

23 million a year is even cheaper,and aroid signed a bigger deal before even though he optioned out and resigned.And boston would have thrown all sorts of money at Howard if he became a free agent. We locked up a top 5 player at a good price,wait until fielder and pujulos hit free agency.