Oh most definitely. My concern is getting stopped by the police rather than killing anyone or getting into an accident. I think some are thinking of crawling to the car drooling and falling down. Hands, eyes, ears, etc... still work just fine, just need a minor fraction of a second more time.
It really does depend on the base level of how well you can drive in the first place, spatial awareness, balance, normal reaction time, hand eye co-ordination, and ability to relate all that seamlessly to a vehicle. If someone can't drive well to begin with...a couple beers isn't going to help that's for sure. If someone can, it's not really going to make much of a difference legal limit wise.. The legal alcohol limit factors in a lot of bad drivers by default who can barely make it safe in a stone cold sober situation.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
there has been a few times where I havent drove,theres been times where I slept over my friends. If im completely shit faced I just stay over the house. Unfortunately me and my freinds never plan things out and always make things last minute. If we drink its, Come to X's house and chip in. Its never "were drinking tomorrow, ill drive this time".
Next time I drink Ill honestly ask one of my friends to drive me. But Im going to be honest, My friends are also my age, and they are most likely going to drink anyway. They just drink less. So I really don't see the point. The one friend that is 21 lives at the house we drink in. Maybe Ill just ask him to drive me, or Ill just stay over.
I have a friend who is my age that threw parties in his house all the time and his parents owned him. He hardly drinks now and the last time he did, he got a ride home. I guess I gotta act more like him now.
Thanks for being assholes to me everyone (seriously), I think I got it now, only took 8 pages! lol
Dude, I'm 20. You act like I don't drink and go to parties. Your youth is no excuse. I get by. I either stay over or get a lift back with a sober person. There's also something called a taxi. If I can't stay and I know I can't get a safe lift back, I don't go. No one is being an asshole, you're being insanely immature. Is your partying more important than your own life or someone else's? I'll tell you something, if some drunk driver runs one of my friends or family over and lives to make excuses about it, they'll live to regret it too. Don't you be that person. I'm sure you're a good guy but you're acting like getting wasted is vital and drink-driving is a necessary evil. It's not. You just don't do it.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
Dude, I'm 20. You act like I don't drink and go to parties. Your youth is no excuse. I get by. I either stay over or get a lift back with a sober person. There's also something called a taxi. If I can't stay and I know I can't get a safe lift back, I don't go. No one is being an asshole, you're being insanely immature. Is your partying more important than your own life or someone else's? I'll tell you something, if some drunk driver runs one of my friends or family over and lives to make excuses about it, they'll live to regret it too. Don't you be that person. I'm sure you're a good guy but you're acting like getting wasted is vital and drink-driving is a necessary evil. It's not. You just don't do it.
OK first off, Taxis? Taxis are almost non existent where I live. This is why I said I would get a RIDE from the TWENTY ONE year old, or STAY OVER his place from now on.
And apparently you dont have much of a sence of humor to realize that by me saying "assholes" it was somewhat of a joke. Hence the "lol" at the end. What the hell is up your ass?
OK first off, Taxis? Taxis are almost non existent where I live. This is why I said I would get a RIDE from the TWENTY ONE year old, or STAY OVER his place from now on.
And apparently you dont have much of a sence of humor to realize that by me saying "assholes" it was somewhat of a joke. Hence the "lol" at the end. What the hell is up your ass?
I learned my lesson, clearly. Fuck this Im done
Honestly, if it takes a few Pearl Jam fans on the internet to show you how much danger you're getting yourself into, then that's not really a good sign.
OK first off, Taxis? Taxis are almost non existent where I live. This is why I said I would get a RIDE from the TWENTY ONE year old, or STAY OVER his place from now on.
And apparently you dont have much of a sence of humor to realize that by me saying "assholes" it was somewhat of a joke. Hence the "lol" at the end. What the hell is up your ass?
I learned my lesson, clearly. Fuck this Im done
I'm glad you learned you lesson. Nothing is up my ass. Thanks, bye.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
Sooo the original poster 12345...didn't think he was going to get nailed for his post and is now getting defensive for it? Hmmm....shows why he thought driving after his amount of intake was OK as well....
As for the "I'm 19 and that's what people our age do"...well, yeah, stupid people. I wasn't that ignorant at 12, let alone 19. So let's stop using excuses for ignorant behavior and just accept that you were wrong, people are going to go off on you for it because YOU put it out there, and move on to using your brain next time.....yes, your 19 or almost 20 year old brain that I would hope be at least developed to a 16 year old's....
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"legal alcohol limit should be raised for all drivers that pass a competency road test"
This test will scrutinize distance and reactions times on ice, slush/snow, gravel, hydro planing on water, with lots of pylons, aggressive use of over steer correction, and power sliding through turns.
:cool:
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I like how people are pretending it's a formula one race instead of just regular average every day road driving, and death of all sorts could come at any moment just by blinking with a couple drinks.
To each his own skill set I suppose.
Some people place a huge value of their lives, and don't care to compute the odds of death/injury related to risky activity. Unfortunately there is not much of a middle ground between living or dying.
"legal alcohol limit should be raised for all drivers that pass a competency road test"
This test will scrutinize distance and reactions times on ice, slush/snow, gravel, hydro planing on water, with lots of pylons, aggressive use of over steer correction, and power sliding through turns.
:cool:
You can't account for the driving of another person on the road. You can be as competent as you like and there could be a bad driver on the road. If you had your wits about you, an accident might be avoided. If you've had a few pints, maybe not.
I'll say it again, the roads are DANGEROUS ENOUGH anyway without anyone drinking and then driving on them. People die everyday in car crashes that were no one's fault, everyone was sober and it was just bad luck. Why would anyone add to that risk to save having to sleep on someone's floor?
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
Some people place a huge value of their lives, and don't care to compute the odds of death/injury related to risky activity. Unfortunately there is not much of a middle ground between living or dying.
Define risky though. See my above thread on competency behind the wheel.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I wonder if most buzzed/drunk drivers base their decision to take the wheel on the odds of getting busted, or, the odds of killing/injuring themselves or someone else?
You can't account for the driving of another person on the road. You can be as competent as you like and there could be a bad driver on the road. If you had your wits about you, an accident might be avoided. If you've had a few pints, maybe not.
I'll say it again, the roads are DANGEROUS ENOUGH anyway without anyone drinking and then driving on them. People die everyday in car crashes that were no one's fault, everyone was sober and it was just bad luck. Why would anyone add to that risk to save having to sleep on someone's floor?
They would have to rear end you....if that's going to happen it's going to happen regardless of anything.
being able to judge safe distances, and stopping times, and leaving enough room to maneuver does not change with a few drinks unless you're a bad driver to begin with, or get to the point that you can't see straight.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I wonder if most buzzed/drunk drivers base their decision to take the wheel on the odds of getting busted, or, the odds of killing/injuring themselves or someone else?
It's a bit of both.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I wonder if most buzzed/drunk drivers base their decision to take the wheel on the odds of getting busted, or, the odds of killing/injuring themselves or someone else?
I would say they base it primarily on the odds of getting busted.
That's the problem I have with the anti-drinking and driving campaign around here. They seem to place the focus on how harsh the penalties will be if/when you get busted, so people just focus on not getting busted.
And they act like every single person who gets a DUI is some kind of monster. In reality, I think most of them are just regular folks like any of us who made a bad decision. But I think this demonizing of drunk drivers tends to give people the impression that this doesn't apply to them because they're good people.
I would say they base it primarily on the odds of getting busted.
That's the problem I have with the anti-drinking and driving campaign around here. They seem to place the focus on how harsh the penalties will be if/when you get busted, so people just focus on not getting busted.
And they act like every single person who gets a DUI is some kind of monster. In reality, I think most of them are just regular folks like any of us who made a bad decision. But I think this demonizing of drunk drivers tends to give people the impression that this doesn't apply to them because they're good people.
If people weren't so selfish, they would worry about the threat to human life, and wouldn't just base their decision on the possible legal/criminal penalties.
If people weren't so selfish, they would worry about the threat to human life, and wouldn't just base their decision on the possible legal/criminal penalties.
How is someone being selfish if they are not posing a threat?
we're talking a few drinks here not a case of beer...you know...the legal limit...more than 1 drink per hour.
I could blow over on two beers in an hour, but it would not affect my driving anywhere close to posing any type of hazard whatsoever on the road. If I was terrible driver to begin with...perhaps, and this is what the legal limit accounts for. It does not, on the other hand, account for advanced or above average drivers.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
If people weren't so selfish, they would worry about the threat to human life, and wouldn't just base their decision on the possible legal/criminal penalties.
I agree. I'm just saying we need to frame the issue that way if we want more people to think of it in those terms.
They would have to rear end you....if that's going to happen it's going to happen regardless of anything.
being able to judge safe distances, and stopping times, and leaving enough room to maneuver does not change with a few drinks unless you're a bad driver to begin with, or get to the point that you can't see straight.
Does it affect judgement? Debatable. It does affect reaction time. ONE beer affects reaction time. 5 beers and 2 shots affects it a lot, regardless of how you feel.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
I learned my lesson. What I did was stupid. I dont want to risk anything anymore. I'll be getting rides from now on or staying over peoples houses if I want to drink.
How is someone being selfish if they are not posing a threat?
we're talking a few drinks here not a case of beer...you know...the legal limit...more than 1 drink per hour.
I could blow over on two beers in an hour, but it would not affect my driving anywhere close to posing any type of hazard whatsoever on the road. If I was terrible driver to begin with...perhaps, and this is what the legal limit accounts for. It does not, on the other hand, account for advanced or above average drivers.
It is too difficult to come up with a blanket definition of a threat when it comes to drunk driving, hence, "the law" must use very low limits to protect society as a whole.
How is someone being selfish if they are not posing a threat?
we're talking a few drinks here not a case of beer...you know...the legal limit...more than 1 drink per hour.
I could blow over on two beers in an hour, but it would not affect my driving anywhere close to posing any type of hazard whatsoever on the road. If I was terrible driver to begin with...perhaps, and this is what the legal limit accounts for. It does not, on the other hand, account for advanced or above average drivers.
Ah, Roland. Is there anything you won't rebel against?
Honestly, better safe than sorry. If you want to account for driving capabilities, should we then start taking other things into consideration? What about a father who is a great driver, who has children with him... say he has a few drinks at a family gathering and while driving home, the kids kick off in the backseat. Should good drivers who have children still be allowed to legally drive with a higher blood-alcohol level? Or what about the normally good driver who's under stress at work, has increasingly sleepless nights and decides to have a few drinks after work one night to deal with the stress before heading home?
My point is, where does one draw the line once you start qualifying why how much a person is legally allowed to drink on? It's a slippery slope and not something that could ever be reasonably assessed. It makesfar more sense to have a set limit across the board.
They would have to rear end you....if that's going to happen it's going to happen regardless of anything.
being able to judge safe distances, and stopping times, and leaving enough room to maneuver does not change with a few drinks unless you're a bad driver to begin with, or get to the point that you can't see straight.
why would they have to rear end you? Regardless of who's at fault and how the accident happened, if you've drink on you... they're gonna throw the book at ya... you're fucked!
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I would say they base it primarily on the odds of getting busted.
That's the problem I have with the anti-drinking and driving campaign around here. They seem to place the focus on how harsh the penalties will be if/when you get busted, so people just focus on not getting busted.
And they act like every single person who gets a DUI is some kind of monster. In reality, I think most of them are just regular folks like any of us who made a bad decision. But I think this demonizing of drunk drivers tends to give people the impression that this doesn't apply to them because they're good people.
I'm not sure it's both... some people hear the story of people being killed and they roll their eyes and say 'I was just buzzed'. I don't care what people have to say to convince them not to drink and drive... if it keeps a drunk driver off the road I couldn't give a fuck and I'm not gonna judge on their reasons for STAYING off the road. Given the OP's gender and age, they're a higher risk and more open to peer pressure... which he even admitted.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
How is someone being selfish if they are not posing a threat?
we're talking a few drinks here not a case of beer...you know...the legal limit...more than 1 drink per hour.
I could blow over on two beers in an hour, but it would not affect my driving anywhere close to posing any type of hazard whatsoever on the road. If I was terrible driver to begin with...perhaps, and this is what the legal limit accounts for. It does not, on the other hand, account for advanced or above average drivers.
Above average drivers? Doesn't everyone think they're an above average driver? I've yet to meet someone who'll admit they're a crap driver... no matter how fucking crap they are! so do you think people should take a drivers aptitude test to see how much they're allowed to drink? Or do you think it should be based on how much you can drink... i.e. what you blow? :rolleyes:
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I learned my lesson. What I did was stupid. I dont want to risk anything anymore. I'll be getting rides from now on or staying over peoples houses if I want to drink.
Glad to hear it
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
They would have to rear end you....if that's going to happen it's going to happen regardless of anything.
being able to judge safe distances, and stopping times, and leaving enough room to maneuver does not change with a few drinks unless you're a bad driver to begin with, or get to the point that you can't see straight.
Wow. It seems 12345...has learned a lesson. Too bad we learned there's another one that's got some intelligence to gain....
bugs in the way...I feel about you
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Oh most definitely. My concern is getting stopped by the police rather than killing anyone or getting into an accident. I think some are thinking of crawling to the car drooling and falling down. Hands, eyes, ears, etc... still work just fine, just need a minor fraction of a second more time.
It really does depend on the base level of how well you can drive in the first place, spatial awareness, balance, normal reaction time, hand eye co-ordination, and ability to relate all that seamlessly to a vehicle. If someone can't drive well to begin with...a couple beers isn't going to help that's for sure. If someone can, it's not really going to make much of a difference legal limit wise.. The legal alcohol limit factors in a lot of bad drivers by default who can barely make it safe in a stone cold sober situation.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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OK first off, Taxis? Taxis are almost non existent where I live. This is why I said I would get a RIDE from the TWENTY ONE year old, or STAY OVER his place from now on.
And apparently you dont have much of a sence of humor to realize that by me saying "assholes" it was somewhat of a joke. Hence the "lol" at the end. What the hell is up your ass?
I learned my lesson, clearly. Fuck this Im done
8/7/08, 6/9/09
Honestly, if it takes a few Pearl Jam fans on the internet to show you how much danger you're getting yourself into, then that's not really a good sign.
As for the "I'm 19 and that's what people our age do"...well, yeah, stupid people. I wasn't that ignorant at 12, let alone 19. So let's stop using excuses for ignorant behavior and just accept that you were wrong, people are going to go off on you for it because YOU put it out there, and move on to using your brain next time.....yes, your 19 or almost 20 year old brain that I would hope be at least developed to a 16 year old's....
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I like our socks. I hear we make a fine sock. I always say, You might not love our records, but I think you'll like our socks. - Stone
"This record is us speaking out in class." -EV on PJ
"legal alcohol limit should be raised for all drivers that pass a competency road test"
This test will scrutinize distance and reactions times on ice, slush/snow, gravel, hydro planing on water, with lots of pylons, aggressive use of over steer correction, and power sliding through turns.
:cool:
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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( o.O)
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Some people place a huge value of their lives, and don't care to compute the odds of death/injury related to risky activity. Unfortunately there is not much of a middle ground between living or dying.
I'll say it again, the roads are DANGEROUS ENOUGH anyway without anyone drinking and then driving on them. People die everyday in car crashes that were no one's fault, everyone was sober and it was just bad luck. Why would anyone add to that risk to save having to sleep on someone's floor?
Define risky though. See my above thread on competency behind the wheel.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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They would have to rear end you....if that's going to happen it's going to happen regardless of anything.
being able to judge safe distances, and stopping times, and leaving enough room to maneuver does not change with a few drinks unless you're a bad driver to begin with, or get to the point that you can't see straight.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
(")_(")
It's a bit of both.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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HAHA, except Joba didn't get off.
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I would say they base it primarily on the odds of getting busted.
That's the problem I have with the anti-drinking and driving campaign around here. They seem to place the focus on how harsh the penalties will be if/when you get busted, so people just focus on not getting busted.
And they act like every single person who gets a DUI is some kind of monster. In reality, I think most of them are just regular folks like any of us who made a bad decision. But I think this demonizing of drunk drivers tends to give people the impression that this doesn't apply to them because they're good people.
If people weren't so selfish, they would worry about the threat to human life, and wouldn't just base their decision on the possible legal/criminal penalties.
How is someone being selfish if they are not posing a threat?
we're talking a few drinks here not a case of beer...you know...the legal limit...more than 1 drink per hour.
I could blow over on two beers in an hour, but it would not affect my driving anywhere close to posing any type of hazard whatsoever on the road. If I was terrible driver to begin with...perhaps, and this is what the legal limit accounts for. It does not, on the other hand, account for advanced or above average drivers.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I agree. I'm just saying we need to frame the issue that way if we want more people to think of it in those terms.
I learned my lesson. What I did was stupid. I dont want to risk anything anymore. I'll be getting rides from now on or staying over peoples houses if I want to drink.
8/7/08, 6/9/09
It is too difficult to come up with a blanket definition of a threat when it comes to drunk driving, hence, "the law" must use very low limits to protect society as a whole.
Ah, Roland. Is there anything you won't rebel against?
Honestly, better safe than sorry. If you want to account for driving capabilities, should we then start taking other things into consideration? What about a father who is a great driver, who has children with him... say he has a few drinks at a family gathering and while driving home, the kids kick off in the backseat. Should good drivers who have children still be allowed to legally drive with a higher blood-alcohol level? Or what about the normally good driver who's under stress at work, has increasingly sleepless nights and decides to have a few drinks after work one night to deal with the stress before heading home?
My point is, where does one draw the line once you start qualifying why how much a person is legally allowed to drink on? It's a slippery slope and not something that could ever be reasonably assessed. It makesfar more sense to have a set limit across the board.
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Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Wow. It seems 12345...has learned a lesson. Too bad we learned there's another one that's got some intelligence to gain....
"New music, new friends. Pearl Jam."
I like our socks. I hear we make a fine sock. I always say, You might not love our records, but I think you'll like our socks. - Stone
"This record is us speaking out in class." -EV on PJ