I learned my lesson. What I did was stupid. I dont want to risk anything anymore. I'll be getting rides from now on or staying over peoples houses if I want to drink.
good for you. i hope you make plans ahead of time and stick to it. party all you want and have a great time, just stay off the roads. it's better for you, it's better for that person out there you don't know, and everyone that knows and cares about you.
They would have to rear end you....if that's going to happen it's going to happen regardless of anything.
being able to judge safe distances, and stopping times, and leaving enough room to maneuver does not change with a few drinks unless you're a bad driver to begin with, or get to the point that you can't see straight.
Ok So I lied. That wasn't my last post. But this is a different subject now
I know I'm probably not one to talk, but the legal limit for driving is .08 correct? How many beers exactly is .08? one or two? If its about 2 beers then I see what he is saying. I mean it wouldn't be legal if it is unsafe.
please never drink and drive again, call me.. Ill come pick you up if I can. Or call anyone on here... someone will come and get you or drive your car home for you. Thanks for being honest with us and sharing.
Ok So I lied. That wasn't my last post. But this is a different subject now
I know I'm probably not one to talk, but the legal limit for driving is .08 correct? How many beers exactly is .08? one or two? If its about 2 beers then I see what he is saying. I mean it wouldn't be legal if it is unsafe.
I don't know about NY or VA but in OH under 21 yrs. .02 is over the limit.That way in many states.And .08 is debateable in court. If you blow at the scene a .08 or just under and the cop "feels" that you are still impaired then you're screwed with the field sobriety tests which ARE subjective , using the cops judgement.And he/she could be having a bad day, etc......and want to fuck with somebody.
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Wow. It seems 12345...has learned a lesson. Too bad we learned there's another one that's got some intelligence to gain....
The point being...what is the risk factor exactly in all cases? If you think everyone is the same in this regard then perhaps it's you that has some lessons to learn.
Most people can't even drive their car in a straight line sober, and this is what the law allows for...sub standard drivers that aren't really up to the task of operating a vehicle to begin with.
Harsh but true.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
The point being...what is the risk factor exactly in all cases? If you think everyone is the same in this regard then perhaps it's you that has some lessons to learn.
Most people can't even drive their car in a straight line sober, and this is what the law allows for...sub standard drivers that aren't really up to the task of operating a vehicle to begin with.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Ok So I lied. That wasn't my last post. But this is a different subject now
I know I'm probably not one to talk, but the legal limit for driving is .08 correct? How many beers exactly is .08? one or two? If its about 2 beers then I see what he is saying. I mean it wouldn't be legal if it is unsafe.
This is why I say allow for drivers to acquire an elevated competency status. I'd put down hard money that if you took two groups of drivers with different competency levels, the more competent drivers could maintain a higher blood alcohol level and still perform better in adverse driving conditions than the less skilled drivers. People act as if a car is going to fall from the sky in front of you or it's going to start raining people on the road or something....they have to come from somewhere...competency of eyes, hands, feet, rate of speed, and the type of car you drive all affect this equation greatly.....massively.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
This is why I say allow for drivers to acquire an elevated competency status. I'd put down hard money that if you took two groups of drivers with different competency levels, the more competent drivers could maintain a higher blood alcohol level and still perform better in adverse driving conditions than the less skilled drivers. People act as if a car is going to fall from the sky in front of you or it's going to start raining people on the road or something....they have to come from somewhere...competency of eyes, hands, feet, rate of speed, and the type of car you drive all affect this equation greatly.....massively.
Right, so if you are skilled and drive a BMW with all the nets to protect you. ESP,DSC,BA, I dunno whatever else. This also should come into play.
A skilled driver driving a car that can stop in a shorter distance than the highway code allows should be allowed to drive at a higher speed. Or something like that. hahah,
serioulsy, the show 5th gear did a test, they took a group of 'average' drivers, got them drinking for a day or something, then took a race car driver and got him drinking. The race car driver performed significantly better.
Another test was take a college student, have him drive around a road course, then have him spark a J. the results? He drove better when high.
there has been a few times where I havent drove,theres been times where I slept over my friends. If im completely shit faced I just stay over the house. Unfortunately me and my freinds never plan things out and always make things last minute. If we drink its, Come to X's house and chip in. Its never "were drinking tomorrow, ill drive this time".
Next time I drink Ill honestly ask one of my friends to drive me. But Im going to be honest, My friends are also my age, and they are most likely going to drink anyway. They just drink less. So I really don't see the point. The one friend that is 21 lives at the house we drink in. Maybe Ill just ask him to drive me, or Ill just stay over.
I have a friend who is my age that threw parties in his house all the time and his parents owned him. He hardly drinks now and the last time he did, he got a ride home. I guess I gotta act more like him now.
Thanks for being assholes to me everyone (seriously), I think I got it now, only took 8 pages! lol
Our local taxi company posted this sign that I thought was a good ad. It said "One DUI could cost more than a cab ride to NYC". That's over 2,400 miles! And it's true. So, just pool up some $ if you can't find a ride or don't have a DD. It's worth it.
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The point being...what is the risk factor exactly in all cases? If you think everyone is the same in this regard then perhaps it's you that has some lessons to learn.
Most people can't even drive their car in a straight line sober, and this is what the law allows for...sub standard drivers that aren't really up to the task of operating a vehicle to begin with.
Harsh but true.
Not true at all! The laws are there to stop people drinking and driving... simple as that! I can't believe you're even trying to argue this I suppose you think you're an above average driver RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!
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no you shouldnt be glad, by the sound of your post you are proud of not getting caught but being a fuckwit. you got behind the wheel under the influence, i hope the next time you do it, you get caught before you do any damage. Maybe a stay in the frey bar hotel is what you need to sort your shit out
Hopefully there is no next time.My Dad was killed by a drunk driver.Luckily my Mom was'nt with him.She was pregnant with me.
Hopefully there is no next time.My Dad was killed by a drunk driver.Luckily my Mom was'nt with him.She was pregnant with me.
Wow. I am so sorry. Perhaps the original poster (and anyone else who may find him/herself in his position) should print out your post and keep it in their wallet.
And to 12345, I am glad you came around.
You are welcome
... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
Right, so if you are skilled and drive a BMW with all the nets to protect you. ESP,DSC,BA, I dunno whatever else. This also should come into play.
A skilled driver driving a car that can stop in a shorter distance than the highway code allows should be allowed to drive at a higher speed. Or something like that. hahah,
serioulsy, the show 5th gear did a test, they took a group of 'average' drivers, got them drinking for a day or something, then took a race car driver and got him drinking. The race car driver performed significantly better.
Another test was take a college student, have him drive around a road course, then have him spark a J. the results? He drove better when high.
Hehe, i can only assume these are jokes
anyways - when u know you're being tested you concentrate more
the point being that People driving who've had a drink (or 2, or 3) do not concentrate or react the same way as sober people
Nobody is completely immune from alcohol and as for Rolands above average driver compensation idea - thats a load of rubbish.
Our local taxi company posted this sign that I thought was a good ad. It said "One DUI could cost more than a cab ride to NYC". That's over 2,400 miles! And it's true. So, just pool up some $ if you can't find a ride or don't have a DD. It's worth it.
That's a great add and a great point. But I think the OP said he has the same problem that many, many people in the U.S. have - there is no taxi service or public transportation in his area.
That's a great add and a great point. But I think the OP said he has the same problem that many, many people in the U.S. have - there is no taxi service or public transportation in his area.
people have been using that excuse in my home town for years... even now when there's NO problem gettin a taxi on a Saturday night... much easier than Dublin! However, before taxi's existed there... you HAD to plan your night out... even if you only have 20 minutes to do it. If you've no way home, you don't go so usually we just kipped on eachothers couches and stuff like that. God, if something happened cos you drove home from a friends drunk, how shit would that friend feel that they simply didn't ask if you wanted to stay or that you didn't feel comfortable enough to ask?
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Not true at all! The laws are there to stop people drinking and driving... simple as that! I can't believe you're even trying to argue this I suppose you think you're an above average driver RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!
I didn't even have to reply...this one is right on. Everyone things they're an above average driver. And then they think they're fine to drive. Why test it? What's the point? Just don't drink and drive. Period. It's really simple..
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I didn't even have to reply...this one is right on. Everyone things they're an above average driver. And then they think they're fine to drive. Why test it? What's the point? Just don't drink and drive. Period. It's really simple..
Besides, everybody's level is different AND it changes. There are some nights where I can drink and drink and drink and not get drunk (some of those nights though I WAS drunk but my mind told me I was sober). Other nights I can feel pretty tipsy after 2 pints. The argument against the drink driving laws is simply ridiculous.
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Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
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What a different life
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Why test it? What's the point? Just don't drink and drive. Period. It's really simple..
No it's black and white like that. I think A test would make sense. why should we all be held to the same standard when some of us are at a higher one?
Mind you, I do not drink and drive. I don't even drink.
To be honest, I think we should have a speeding test. If you are able to drive at a higher speed. You should be allowed to.
I don't think it's fair that I am limited to 65, when I know I can drive faster and still drive safe. (Now i'm speaking in general terms for the sake of discussion and debate)
Now back onto the speeding test issue. Of course other concerns exist with regard to driving fast. 1 major issue is that most American roads are not built properly. So the city/state would have to build another lane just for faster drivers. Think some German roads. How smooth they are, they are built for speed. Also less accidents. strange?
Another thing, in Florida they have parking lot tests to get your license, I mean you drive around a small course inside a parking lot. That has to be one of the worst way's of testing someones ability to drive. The standard needs to be raised.
Just to clarify: Is everyone here saying that you should never drive home if you've had one glass of wine with dinner?
I am, yes.
Like it or not, ONE drink can alter your judgement.
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No it's black and white like that. I think A test would make sense. why should we all be held to the same standard when some of us are at a higher one?
Mind you, I do not drink and drive. I don't even drink.
To be honest, I think we should have a speeding test. If you are able to drive at a higher speed. You should be allowed to.
I don't think it's fair that I am limited to 65, when I know I can drive faster and still drive safe. (Now i'm speaking in general terms for the sake of discussion and debate)
Now back onto the speeding test issue. Of course other concerns exist with regard to driving fast. 1 major issue is that most American roads are not built properly. So the city/state would have to build another lane just for faster drivers. Think some German roads. How smooth they are, they are built for speed. Also less accidents. strange?
Another thing, in Florida they have parking lot tests to get your license, I mean you drive around a small course inside a parking lot. That has to be one of the worst way's of testing someones ability to drive. The standard needs to be raised.
When we take are test in NJ we just sit behind the wheel and make car sounds with are mouths...now that is weird
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To be honest, I think we should have a speeding test. If you are able to drive at a higher speed. You should be allowed to.
I don't think it's fair that I am limited to 65, when I know I can drive faster and still drive safe. (Now i'm speaking in general terms for the sake of discussion and debate)
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If you're such a safe driver, you wouldn't be concerned about everyone having to stick to the speed limit. The speed limit is also there to cater for the unexpected. It's a FACT that it takes longer to stop/slow down when you're going faster no matter how good a driver you are
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Just to clarify: Is everyone here saying that you should never drive home if you've had one glass of wine with dinner?
Thats what I was thinking. Anytime I go out to dinner with my family my dad always has about one or two beers/wines and he is ALWAYS exactly the same driver leaving the place. Everybody at restaurants has a glass or two of wine, if you got pulled over Im sure you would be under .08
people have been using that excuse in my home town for years... even now when there's NO problem gettin a taxi on a Saturday night... much easier than Dublin! However, before taxi's existed there... you HAD to plan your night out... even if you only have 20 minutes to do it. If you've no way home, you don't go so usually we just kipped on eachothers couches and stuff like that. God, if something happened cos you drove home from a friends drunk, how shit would that friend feel that they simply didn't ask if you wanted to stay or that you didn't feel comfortable enough to ask?
I wasn't making an excuse, just stating a fact. I don't think everyone realizes that not everyone can just hail a cab.
But of course you have to make a plan in advance... I'm fully aware of that.
Edit: This is why I said in an earlier post that we should advocate locally to get better public transportation, etc.
If you're such a safe driver, you wouldn't be concerned about everyone having to stick to the speed limit. The speed limit is also there to cater for the unexpected. It's a FACT that it takes longer to stop/slow down when you're going faster no matter how good a driver you are
I'm trying to find a decent balance. That's also why I propose the speeding lane and the related driving tests.
You also need to understand that some cars stop in shorter distances than others. You also need to read more into my post, not just take a section out from it.
Thats what I was thinking. Anytime I go out to dinner with my family my dad always has about one or two beers/wines and he is ALWAYS exactly the same driver leaving the place. Everybody at restaurants has a glass or two of wine, if you got pulled over Im sure you would be under .08
Again though it just depends on what you blow... or what else you could be stopped for. Usually a glass or two WITH a meal is actually ok and the food soaks it up... but usually it's better to be safe than sorry!
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Besides, everybody's level is different AND it changes. There are some nights where I can drink and drink and drink and not get drunk (some of those nights though I WAS drunk but my mind told me I was sober). Other nights I can feel pretty tipsy after 2 pints. The argument against the drink driving laws is simply ridiculous.
Exactly. This is one of the dumbest debates I've seen in awhile. There are too many factors that could theorhetically play into this. If anything, keep the legal limit at a set level and make it more difficult for anyone to get a license.
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good for you. i hope you make plans ahead of time and stick to it. party all you want and have a great time, just stay off the roads. it's better for you, it's better for that person out there you don't know, and everyone that knows and cares about you.
Ok So I lied. That wasn't my last post. But this is a different subject now
I know I'm probably not one to talk, but the legal limit for driving is .08 correct? How many beers exactly is .08? one or two? If its about 2 beers then I see what he is saying. I mean it wouldn't be legal if it is unsafe.
8/7/08, 6/9/09
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
The point being...what is the risk factor exactly in all cases? If you think everyone is the same in this regard then perhaps it's you that has some lessons to learn.
Most people can't even drive their car in a straight line sober, and this is what the law allows for...sub standard drivers that aren't really up to the task of operating a vehicle to begin with.
Harsh but true.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Yep very true.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
This is why I say allow for drivers to acquire an elevated competency status. I'd put down hard money that if you took two groups of drivers with different competency levels, the more competent drivers could maintain a higher blood alcohol level and still perform better in adverse driving conditions than the less skilled drivers. People act as if a car is going to fall from the sky in front of you or it's going to start raining people on the road or something....they have to come from somewhere...competency of eyes, hands, feet, rate of speed, and the type of car you drive all affect this equation greatly.....massively.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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(\__/)
( o.O)
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Right, so if you are skilled and drive a BMW with all the nets to protect you. ESP,DSC,BA, I dunno whatever else. This also should come into play.
A skilled driver driving a car that can stop in a shorter distance than the highway code allows should be allowed to drive at a higher speed. Or something like that. hahah,
serioulsy, the show 5th gear did a test, they took a group of 'average' drivers, got them drinking for a day or something, then took a race car driver and got him drinking. The race car driver performed significantly better.
Another test was take a college student, have him drive around a road course, then have him spark a J. the results? He drove better when high.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Wow. I am so sorry. Perhaps the original poster (and anyone else who may find him/herself in his position) should print out your post and keep it in their wallet.
And to 12345, I am glad you came around.
You are welcome
Hehe, i can only assume these are jokes
anyways - when u know you're being tested you concentrate more
the point being that People driving who've had a drink (or 2, or 3) do not concentrate or react the same way as sober people
Nobody is completely immune from alcohol and as for Rolands above average driver compensation idea - thats a load of rubbish.
That's a great add and a great point. But I think the OP said he has the same problem that many, many people in the U.S. have - there is no taxi service or public transportation in his area.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I didn't even have to reply...this one is right on. Everyone things they're an above average driver. And then they think they're fine to drive. Why test it? What's the point? Just don't drink and drive. Period. It's really simple..
"New music, new friends. Pearl Jam."
I like our socks. I hear we make a fine sock. I always say, You might not love our records, but I think you'll like our socks. - Stone
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Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
No it's black and white like that. I think A test would make sense. why should we all be held to the same standard when some of us are at a higher one?
Mind you, I do not drink and drive. I don't even drink.
To be honest, I think we should have a speeding test. If you are able to drive at a higher speed. You should be allowed to.
I don't think it's fair that I am limited to 65, when I know I can drive faster and still drive safe. (Now i'm speaking in general terms for the sake of discussion and debate)
Now back onto the speeding test issue. Of course other concerns exist with regard to driving fast. 1 major issue is that most American roads are not built properly. So the city/state would have to build another lane just for faster drivers. Think some German roads. How smooth they are, they are built for speed. Also less accidents. strange?
Another thing, in Florida they have parking lot tests to get your license, I mean you drive around a small course inside a parking lot. That has to be one of the worst way's of testing someones ability to drive. The standard needs to be raised.
I am, yes.
Like it or not, ONE drink can alter your judgement.
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
When we take are test in NJ we just sit behind the wheel and make car sounds with are mouths...now that is weird
The ONLY thing better than a glass of beer is tea with Miss McGill
A protuberance of flesh above the waistband of a tight pair of trousers
hehehe!...that was funny. Well delivered,
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Thats what I was thinking. Anytime I go out to dinner with my family my dad always has about one or two beers/wines and he is ALWAYS exactly the same driver leaving the place. Everybody at restaurants has a glass or two of wine, if you got pulled over Im sure you would be under .08
8/7/08, 6/9/09
I wasn't making an excuse, just stating a fact. I don't think everyone realizes that not everyone can just hail a cab.
But of course you have to make a plan in advance... I'm fully aware of that.
Edit: This is why I said in an earlier post that we should advocate locally to get better public transportation, etc.
I'm trying to find a decent balance. That's also why I propose the speeding lane and the related driving tests.
You also need to understand that some cars stop in shorter distances than others. You also need to read more into my post, not just take a section out from it.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Exactly. This is one of the dumbest debates I've seen in awhile. There are too many factors that could theorhetically play into this. If anything, keep the legal limit at a set level and make it more difficult for anyone to get a license.
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