The 2008 Philadelphia Phillies

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  • petrocspetrocs Posts: 4,342
    The Champ wrote:
    Which must also mean that no one on the Rays bench knows 'ANYTHING' about baseball and they should have simply recognized that it was a great non-call by the umps. No need to argue. This conversation should end, for your sake ;)..


    no they do know something...their player left early..exposed himself and they cried wolf...exactly what they are suppose to do
    Shows:
    9/24/96 MD. 9/28/96 Randalls. 8/28-29/98 Camden. 9/8/98 NJ. 9/18/98 MD. 9/1-2/00 Camden. 9/4/00 MD. 4/28/03 Philly. 7/5-6/03 Camden. 9/30/05 AC.
    10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    So can I ask a non-slanted question to Phillies fans? Ryan Howard... What is his deal? Is he just in a huge slump right at the worst time? Is he a mental case like A Rod and can't perform in the post-season? What?

    To me it looks like the man cannot adjust to a breaking ball, and has the same EXACT swing for every pitch. Can he go the other way, or does he basically just keep flailing his HR swing and wait for a fastball to come right down Broadway?

    What is the take from Philly?

    Objectively, chromiam and I are not the biggest Howard fans. He has a hole in his swing when he's not locked in and will chase low and away pitches and will let pitches he should crush go right by. He also has a tendency when not locked in the zone to try and pull everything. You can tell he's at his best when he's working counts and hitting balls to CF and the opposite field. He has the most raw power of any player I've ever seen, but needs not to go into slumps that sometimes last weeks and months. He does have the ability even when slumping to come through with timely hits and can carry a team for weeks and a month of the time when locked in - see September this year. Unfortunately, he's not locked in right now. Though we did see some good signs last night with the double and single to straightaway center.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,183
    So can I ask a non-slanted question to Phillies fans? Ryan Howard... What is his deal? Is he just in a huge slump right at the worst time? Is he a mental case like A Rod and can't perform in the post-season? What?

    To me it looks like the man cannot adjust to a breaking ball, and has the same EXACT swing for every pitch. Can he go the other way, or does he basically just keep flailing his HR swing and wait for a fastball to come right down Broadway?

    What is the take from Philly?

    This is a good question for someone who doesn't watch Howard a lot. The man is not a mental case - it's just either homer run or strikeout with him(granted he's not been like that in the postseason). He has terrible pitch selection and is the least bit disciplined at the plate. This guy goes one of two ways - either in a terrible slump or just on fire. He hasn't been clutch since 2006 though. What I mean by this is: game on the line yada yada...
  • meisteredermeistereder Posts: 1,577
    Yeah, I have to say that's the way it looks to me too. I don't often agree with Tim McCarver, but I think Ryan Howard needs to spend this off season learning to poke line drives to left field over and over and over. Once he shows that, he'll start getting pitches he can mash about 600 feet to RF and his AVG will go to like .350.

    Edit: It would also spread out the shift of course. That last groundout last night was a perfect example of a base hit that the shift gobbles up. I know this isn't rocket science, but man, if he could eliminate that shift, he'd be a force again.
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  • The ChampThe Champ Posts: 4,063
    petrocs wrote:
    they cried wolf...exactly what they are suppose to do

    Which brings us back to my original post regarding last night that you had a problem with. It's your team, your bias, your perspective etc..questionable calls are part of the game ;)..thanks for playing and enjoy your day..
    'I want to hurry home to you
    put on a slow, dumb show for you
    and crack you up
    so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
    god I'm very, very frightening
    and I'll overdo it'
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,183
    Yeah, I have to say that's the way it looks to me too. I don't often agree with Tim McCarver, but I think Ryan Howard needs to spend this off season learning to poke line drives to left field over and over and over. Once he shows that, he'll start getting pitches he can mash about 600 feet to RF and his AVG will go to like .350.

    Yeah, his problems sometimes is him trying to pull the ball immensely(i.e. defensive shift), but what made him an MVP was hitting sooo many opposite field home runs. And that comes with keeping the hands back and seeing the ball longer. But, either way, three years from now he'll be a Yankee.
  • petrocspetrocs Posts: 4,342
    The Champ wrote:
    Which brings us back to my original post regarding last night that you had a problem with. It's your team, your bias, your perspective etc..questionable calls are part of the game ;)..thanks for playing and enjoy your day..

    yeah...if they were questionable...not BLATANT...see now were back to this again...you need to pay ATTENTION when you want to comment...:)
    Shows:
    9/24/96 MD. 9/28/96 Randalls. 8/28-29/98 Camden. 9/8/98 NJ. 9/18/98 MD. 9/1-2/00 Camden. 9/4/00 MD. 4/28/03 Philly. 7/5-6/03 Camden. 9/30/05 AC.
    10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
  • The ChampThe Champ Posts: 4,063
    petrocs wrote:
    yeah...if they were questionable...not BLATANT

    lol..
    'I want to hurry home to you
    put on a slow, dumb show for you
    and crack you up
    so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
    god I'm very, very frightening
    and I'll overdo it'
  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Yeah, his problems sometimes is him trying to pull the ball immensely(i.e. defensive shift), but what made him an MVP was hitting sooo many opposite field home runs. And that comes with keeping the hands back and seeing the ball longer. But, either way, three years from now he'll be a Yankee.

    I don't see him being a Yankee. Yanks are going to make a big run at Teixeira. I actually see Howard in Boston in three years when Ortiz's contract runs out.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • petrocspetrocs Posts: 4,342
    The Champ wrote:
    lol..

    :) you can come over and watch baseball at my house any time my friend :)
    Shows:
    9/24/96 MD. 9/28/96 Randalls. 8/28-29/98 Camden. 9/8/98 NJ. 9/18/98 MD. 9/1-2/00 Camden. 9/4/00 MD. 4/28/03 Philly. 7/5-6/03 Camden. 9/30/05 AC.
    10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
  • The ChampThe Champ Posts: 4,063
    petrocs wrote:
    yeah...if they were questionable...not BLATANT...see now were back to this again...you need to pay ATTENTION when you want to comment...:)

    Wow, I've been nice but come on. You can't comprehend a single thing I've said and are arguing with yourself in circles. The fucking balk was blatant to the Rays and their fans while it was a non issue to the Phills and their fans..same thing applies to last night and so on and so on..questionable or not it often depends on perspective and we all know it's part of the game..'pay attention'<--are you kidding?
    'I want to hurry home to you
    put on a slow, dumb show for you
    and crack you up
    so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
    god I'm very, very frightening
    and I'll overdo it'
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,183
    Solat13 wrote:
    I don't see him being a Yankee. Yanks are going to make a big run at Teixeira. I actually see Howard in Boston in three years when Ortiz's contract runs out.

    Meh. Whatever - either way they better trade him instead of just letting him walk. Who knows though, maybe he'll end up getting his shit together here and they give him a deal. We'll see.

    And the other argument going on - personally, I think it could be called a balk but it could go either way. I forget what Maddon called Hamels to the ump - some term referring to a guy with a sly pick-off move like that....A "tipper" or something...Maddon's argument was that Hamels is not a "tipper"(or whatever the term is), and if he was then it would be a different story and he wouldn't have a problem with it.
  • The ChampThe Champ Posts: 4,063
    petrocs wrote:
    :) you can come over and watch baseball at my house any time my friend :)

    No thanks, my wife already makes me feel like I'm talking to a wall more than I care for ;)..
    'I want to hurry home to you
    put on a slow, dumb show for you
    and crack you up
    so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
    god I'm very, very frightening
    and I'll overdo it'
  • petrocspetrocs Posts: 4,342
    ok I'm done trying to explain to the Mets fan...anyone else going down to McFaddens this weekend?
    Shows:
    9/24/96 MD. 9/28/96 Randalls. 8/28-29/98 Camden. 9/8/98 NJ. 9/18/98 MD. 9/1-2/00 Camden. 9/4/00 MD. 4/28/03 Philly. 7/5-6/03 Camden. 9/30/05 AC.
    10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
  • The ChampThe Champ Posts: 4,063
    And the other argument going on - personally, I think it could be called a balk but it could go either way. I forget what Maddon called Hamels to the ump - some term referring to a guy with a sly pick-off move like that....A "tipper" or something...Maddon's argument was that Hamels is not a "tipper"(or whatever the term is), and if he was then it would be a different story and he wouldn't have a problem with it.

    Good info..
    'I want to hurry home to you
    put on a slow, dumb show for you
    and crack you up
    so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
    god I'm very, very frightening
    and I'll overdo it'
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,183
    The Champ wrote:
    Good info..

    Ya see, I'm at the point where I don't know if this is coming with some condescension, sir.
  • The ChampThe Champ Posts: 4,063
    petrocs wrote:
    ok I'm done trying to explain to the Mets fan...anyone else going down to McFaddens this weekend?

    Please do spare us and never attempt to again ;)..enjoy your weekend..
    'I want to hurry home to you
    put on a slow, dumb show for you
    and crack you up
    so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
    god I'm very, very frightening
    and I'll overdo it'
  • The ChampThe Champ Posts: 4,063
    Ya see, I'm at the point where I don't know if this is coming with some condescension, sir.

    lol..it didn't have one of these ;) associated with it..I wasn't aware of the 'tipper' scenario in this instance which I found interesting..
    'I want to hurry home to you
    put on a slow, dumb show for you
    and crack you up
    so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
    god I'm very, very frightening
    and I'll overdo it'
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,183
    The Champ wrote:
    lol..it didn't have one of these ;) associated with it..I wasn't aware of the 'tipper' scenario in this instance which I found interesting..

    Well....alright then.

    As to tomorrow night - I think Moyer will have a better game, but still expect him to give up 4 runs or something like that. The fact of the matter is this team NEEDS to hit with men on base. It's absolutely pathetic at this point. And they obviously looked like they were pressing at the plate, which is the only thing I'm worried about. Things like that are what I pray get better. They have to have an outlook like it doesn't make anything better to worry about every pitch. The game hasn't changed - see ball, hit ball with stick. It's pretty simple. Just have to take the position you're in out of your head, because if they did what they did last night in Philly - man, are they gonna hear it.
  • RygarRygar Posts: 8,689
    The Champ wrote:
    No thanks, my wife already makes me feel like I'm talking to a wall more than I care for ;)..
    hahaha!
    this belongs in the marriage counselling thread :p
  • petrocspetrocs Posts: 4,342
    The Champ wrote:
    Please do spare us and never attempt to again ;)..enjoy your weekend..

    I dont have to spare you with anything..this is our thread...you can get out if you dont want to read mine or anyone elses posts..bottom line..

    #1 Balk- A common misconception is that when in the set position, a pitcher must step off the rubber before attempting a pick-off. This is incorrect, as stepping and throwing to a base is one of the three actions a pitcher is allowed to do per rule 8.01(c). (which Cole clearly did)

    #2 Joe Maddon after getting the explanation from the home umpire: Timmy told me that he had stepped a bit towards first base, and my response was, 'That may be true, but he also stepped towards home plate.' (Question...how can you prove that someone is stepping towards home AND first at the same time? Basically Joe Madden is saying hey man you're not seeing it the way that I'M seeing it so I'm upset..what he didnt see (or is blind to) is that Pena took off from 1st before the wind up was complete...that was dumb on his part)

    #3 The umpire last night CALLED a strike out which WAS a strike out and then awarded the runner the base for no apparent reason which lead to a run. The call of HBP in the Top of the 9th was another example..the ball hit Rollins and Rolling CLEARLY tried to get out of the way..thats 1st and 2nd with no outs..bottom line is the umpire did not do his job. Welke the night before explained his position to Madden between innings...the ump last night did NOT. Was it an impact to the game overall? yes. Was the balk call? no. When an umpire's call CHANGES the game then that umpire should be removed from his postseason rotation.

    Bottom line...series is tied 1-1 with 5 to go...let the best team win..without umpire interference
    Shows:
    9/24/96 MD. 9/28/96 Randalls. 8/28-29/98 Camden. 9/8/98 NJ. 9/18/98 MD. 9/1-2/00 Camden. 9/4/00 MD. 4/28/03 Philly. 7/5-6/03 Camden. 9/30/05 AC.
    10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,183
    The guy who got picked off was Pena, not Crawford.
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,627
    Well....alright then.

    As to tomorrow night - I think Moyer will have a better game, but still expect him to give up 4 runs or something like that. The fact of the matter is this team NEEDS to hit with men on base. It's absolutely pathetic at this point. And they obviously looked like they were pressing at the plate, which is the only thing I'm worried about. Things like that are what I pray get better. They have to have an outlook like it doesn't make anything better to worry about every pitch. The game hasn't changed - see ball, hit ball with stick. It's pretty simple. Just have to take the position you're in out of your head, because if they did what they did last night in Philly - man, are they gonna hear it.

    that was pathetic last night. so frustrating as a fan. we must have a good effort from Moyer especially early. if we get down again we might squeeze the bats again. this team goes through funks where they can't put the ball in play. the amount of strikeouts is so annoying especailly called looking. I don't understand the thought process of getting called out on strikes so often. Swing the freakin bat.

    as for the discussions about the umps - they have sucked for both teams in both games. it shouldn't be this difficult to make OBVIOUS calls. Hamels was clearly a balk the other night and the 2 last night were absolutely brutal miscalls. and where is the consistency in the strike zones? from inning to inning the inner and out half of the plates change the strike zone.
  • petrocspetrocs Posts: 4,342
    The guy who got picked off was Pena, not Crawford.


    thats right...thanks for correcting me
    Shows:
    9/24/96 MD. 9/28/96 Randalls. 8/28-29/98 Camden. 9/8/98 NJ. 9/18/98 MD. 9/1-2/00 Camden. 9/4/00 MD. 4/28/03 Philly. 7/5-6/03 Camden. 9/30/05 AC.
    10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,183
    petrocs wrote:
    thats right...thanks for correcting me

    I'm just sayin cause if that was Crawford he would've definitely been safe. If there's a dude I want on this team it's him. I love that dude's style - as long as he's not hurt. He'd be perfect for taking Burrell's spot.
  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    I'm just sayin cause if that was Crawford he would've definitely been safe. If there's a dude I want on this team it's him. I love that dude's style - as long as he's not hurt. He'd be perfect for taking Burrell's spot.

    Crawford could be a free agent if the Rays don't exercise his option. The only thing I wouldn't like with him is that he's another lefty. Phils need a righty power bat to replace Burrell.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,183
    Solat13 wrote:
    Crawford could be a free agent if the Rays don't exercise his option. The only thing I wouldn't like with him is that he's another lefty. Phils need a righty power bat to replace Burrell.

    This is true. But he's such a 5-tooler. Lenny's my favorite player of all-time, but this guy could potentially take that over if he played here and wasn't injury prone. Plus, he comes out to M.I.A.'s song, "Paper Planes."
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,183
    petrocs wrote:
    anyone else going down to McFaddens this weekend?

    I may be going down tomorrow night or Monday. Probably most likely tomorrow night.

    EDIT: Actually I was told that if you wanna get into McFadden's for the game you'll have to be in there by like 645 because the Phils are working their own security starting at 7 and you have to have a ticket to get in.
  • The ChampThe Champ Posts: 4,063
    Rygar wrote:
    hahaha!
    this belongs in the marriage counselling thread :p

    lol..nah, she's the best thing in the world ;)..
    'I want to hurry home to you
    put on a slow, dumb show for you
    and crack you up
    so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
    god I'm very, very frightening
    and I'll overdo it'
  • The ChampThe Champ Posts: 4,063
    petrocs wrote:
    this is our thread...you can get out if you dont want to read mine or anyone elses posts

    'This is our thread.' Classic...guess what buddy I can post wherever the fuck I want and if you don't like it you also have the option to get out of 'your' thread..When did I say I don't want to read the contents of this thread?? Obviously I do or otherwise I wouldn't be reading your nonsense and then replying..what are you talking about? But thanks for reminding me how it works..you can't be this clueless..

    Anyway, go Rays!!
    'I want to hurry home to you
    put on a slow, dumb show for you
    and crack you up
    so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
    god I'm very, very frightening
    and I'll overdo it'
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