I think the main problem IS having pride in your species. Depending on what you believe, it's all luck of the draw. And humans aren't the best species to put on display for an example in awesomeness.
have human beings fucked things up? YES... we have a much more intricate and complex social context in which we exist so it makes sense that we are more prone to fuck things up... we have desires (not necessities mind you) that go far beyond any other species thus our impact on the environment (which we are finally beginning to reduce) and our need for domination through war... which occurs in the animal kingdom too but without the weapons... there is common ground between all species but its niave not to value your own before others in a scenario where there is only one or the other... i love animal and i hate to see any die... id just prefer that before a human dying
intelligent? it's just opinions! you've got yours, i've got mine. neither choices are right/wrong. i just think my choice is kind to everyone.
Well, my opinion is that i'd rather my dog die/killed than my mom for example. If you truly value the life of your dog over your 'human' family/loved ones than it's more than mere opinions, but pure insanity..no matter on what level/angle you attempt to argue..
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
have human beings fucked things up? YES... we have a much more intricate and complex social context in which we exist so it makes sense that we are more prone to fuck things up... we have desires (not necessities mind you) that go far beyond any other species thus our impact on the environment (which we are finally beginning to reduce) and our need for domination through war... which occurs in the animal kingdom too but without the weapons... there is common ground between all species but its niave not to value your own before others in a scenario where there is only one or the other... i love animal and i hate to see any die... id just prefer that before a human dying
That's a long-winded version of the quest for true civility.
have human beings fucked things up? YES... we have a much more intricate and complex social context in which we exist so it makes sense that we are more prone to fuck things up... we have desires (not necessities mind you) that go far beyond any other species thus our impact on the environment (which we are finally beginning to reduce) and our need for domination through war... which occurs in the animal kingdom too but without the weapons... there is common ground between all species but its niave not to value your own before others in a scenario where there is only one or the other... i love animal and i hate to see any die... id just prefer that before a human dying
i'm probably going to get a lot of stick for saying this but:
next time your rushing for work or a meeting, and there is only but ONE empty space for you to squeeze in the train/bus and you try to get in there but before you do someone else comes along and pushes you out of the way and gets in your place.....
i'm probably going to get a lot of stick for saying this but:
next time your rushing for work or a meeting, and there is only but ONE empty space for you to squeeze in the train/bus and you try to get in there but before you do someone else comes along and pushes you out of the way and gets in your place.....
Well, my opinion is that i'd rather my dog die/killed than my mom for example. If you truly value the life of your dog over your 'human' family/loved ones than it's more than mere opinions, but pure insanity..no matter on what level/angle you attempt to argue..
i'm probably going to get a lot of stick for saying this but:
next time your rushing for work or a meeting, and there is only but ONE empty space for you to squeeze in the train/bus and you try to get in there but before you do someone else comes along and pushes you out of the way and gets in your place.....
will you still think the same?
id rather a human take my seat then be pushed out of the way by a puppy... dont really see the connection with your scenario tho... i never said i am not frustrated with people at times... youre saying my respect for all mankind should be reduced because we have the mental capacity to steal seats? likewise, i have a human brain sophisticated enough to reason with the seat stealer whereas animals would immediately resort to violence in the same scenario (though lets replace train seat with a nice hot rock)
You're comparing animal to animal? Do you also value the life of a caterpillar over a snail? Bumblebee over a shark? Fir tree over over rose bush? See how ridiculous it can be? Of course it's ingrained in us (and every species) to value the life of our own over other species' for survival purposes. But I think one of the qualities that does make us unique is the ability to use logic and perspective and perhaps allowing ourselves to be a bit more enlightened about our place in the world.
I don't blame you for thinking otherwise, because we are hardwired to believe in our superiority (and culturally reinforced). Unfortunately this mindstate is what is leading us to devour and eradicate our (distant) relatives in the animal kingdom. Because we have put the rest of the animal kingdom under the heel of our collective foot, we are open to much more scrutiny and criticism of our behavior as a species. I do believe, obviously, that the young are more precious and should be treated as such. Mistreating a baby human, a baby dog or a baby elephant is the most deplorable of behaviors.
24 years old, mid-life crisis
nowadays hits you when you're young
So you didn't imply it either? This is almost as satisfying as conversing with GTD ..almost..
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
have human beings fucked things up? YES... we have a much more intricate and complex social context in which we exist so it makes sense that we are more prone to fuck things up... we have desires (not necessities mind you) that go far beyond any other species thus our impact on the environment (which we are finally beginning to reduce) and our need for domination through war... which occurs in the animal kingdom too but without the weapons... there is common ground between all species but its niave not to value your own before others in a scenario where there is only one or the other... i love animal and i hate to see any die... id just prefer that before a human dying
Whens the last time you heard of a monkey killing another monkey because it was a jew monkey? Humans are more complex but act still act primitive on a daily basis. And I've never heard of animals hunting other animals into extinction just for the sport of it. We're supposed to be proud of ourselves but it's hard to when you hear about people getting blown away over paper...or what they think resides in the sky...or what color their skin is...or......
that human life is more valuable. majority of people are full of shit, why should i value their life over anyother specie?
So now you just said what you didn't say you said before right?
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
id rather a human take my seat then be pushed out of the way by a puppy... dont really see the connection with your scenario tho... i never said i am not frustrated with people at times... youre saying my respect for all mankind should be reduced because we have the mental capacity to steal seats? likewise, i have a human brain sophisticated enough to reason with the seat stealer whereas animals would immediately resort to violence in the same scenario (though lets replace train seat with a nice hot rock)
well i guess then my brain is not sophisticated enough because although i call myself human being in actual fact i'm an animal just like any other animal.
and i believe person would not be very reasonable with a seat stealer, unless they were scared or didn't want to look bad in front of other people.
Good to see this thing is still going. I think all of us should be thrown off a cliff by a puppy.
"Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
why do you think the planet of the apes had such a poor jewelry and motion picture industry? no such thing as jew monkeys
if anne frank was able to see the innate good in people i see no reason why i should not be able to do the same... we see the examples you listed as evil according to the social constructs our species has established over centuries... we were able to make these moral decisions because of our mental abilities... other species probably have different criteria for what is acceptable behavior and there are probably a percentage of monkeys in monkey society as deplorable to their opinions as the klu klux klan is to ours
You're comparing animal to animal? Do you also value the life of a caterpillar over a snail? Bumblebee over a shark? Fir tree over over rose bush? See how ridiculous it can be? Of course it's ingrained in us (and every species) to value the life of our own over other species' for survival purposes. But I think one of the qualities that does make us unique is the ability to use logic and perspective and perhaps allowing ourselves to be a bit more enlightened about our place in the world.
I don't blame you for thinking otherwise, because we are hardwired to believe in our superiority (and culturally reinforced). Unfortunately this mindstate is what is leading us to devour and eradicate our (distant) relatives in the animal kingdom. Because we have put the rest of the animal kingdom under the heel of our collective foot, we are open to much more scrutiny and criticism of our behavior as a species. I do believe, obviously, that the young are more precious and should be treated as such. Mistreating a baby human, a baby dog or a baby elephant is the most deplorable of behaviors.
This sounds like a bunch of bs lifted from one of your college term papers..So am I scum for eating meat too? Get real, please..
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
You mean to tell me that if you’re at the edge of a cliff with some one whose holding a puppy in one hand and a baby in the other and tell you to chose one to save you would be torn between the two?
Of COURSE we value the baby more. All humans do instinctually. Can YOU tell me why though? Why do you value the baby more? You will say 'well...because it's a baby human! I'm human!'. Ok, well, to me that's way oversimplified and doesn't really explain it. As I stated, it's ingrained in us for survival purposes to value our kind over others. That's why we see races stick together as well. Thankfully we have overcome that mindset. The jump to seeing other species as our equals is a much larger mental jump to make and likely will never find full recognition by our species (as I doubt racism ever will completely).
I look at it as humans are animals. We are one species in an animal kingdom of many. We have many unique qualities that set us far apart. Other animal species have great unique qualities which set them far apart from other animal species. Just as sharks are not more important than elephants or bees aren't more important than spiders, humans aren't anymore important than all the rest. If this is all true, and we can agree on this, then what logical reason is there in the grand scheme of things to value the life of a human baby over a puppy? Or a baby elephant over a baby squirrel? Or a baby rabbit over a baby hippo? Honestly, answer me that.
Given the situation, I would almost certainly save the baby, given the evolutionary bias we have towards our own species, not to mention the social and cultural environment we come from, it would be impossible to make that decision any other way. I would feel incredibly remorseful for giving up the life of the puppy and in the back of my head know that the decision, in reality, is an impossible one.
24 years old, mid-life crisis
nowadays hits you when you're young
this alone proves a sophistication not seen in the animal kingdom... not saying our decisions should be based so shallowly... but we are able to reason accordingly if we so choose
all i'm saying is don't put fucking words into my mouth. if you can't remember what i've said go back and read my previous posts.
Well then don't act like we're stupid and incapable of interpreting what you implied with what you said or didn't say. Seriously, there is no need to read your statements again..calm down..
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
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not to little babies.
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Well, my opinion is that i'd rather my dog die/killed than my mom for example. If you truly value the life of your dog over your 'human' family/loved ones than it's more than mere opinions, but pure insanity..no matter on what level/angle you attempt to argue..
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
http://seanbriceart.com/
That's a long-winded version of the quest for true civility.
i'm probably going to get a lot of stick for saying this but:
next time your rushing for work or a meeting, and there is only but ONE empty space for you to squeeze in the train/bus and you try to get in there but before you do someone else comes along and pushes you out of the way and gets in your place.....
will you still think the same?
http://seanbriceart.com/
the same as what?
i never said i value animal's life over human's
http://seanbriceart.com/
You're comparing animal to animal? Do you also value the life of a caterpillar over a snail? Bumblebee over a shark? Fir tree over over rose bush? See how ridiculous it can be? Of course it's ingrained in us (and every species) to value the life of our own over other species' for survival purposes. But I think one of the qualities that does make us unique is the ability to use logic and perspective and perhaps allowing ourselves to be a bit more enlightened about our place in the world.
I don't blame you for thinking otherwise, because we are hardwired to believe in our superiority (and culturally reinforced). Unfortunately this mindstate is what is leading us to devour and eradicate our (distant) relatives in the animal kingdom. Because we have put the rest of the animal kingdom under the heel of our collective foot, we are open to much more scrutiny and criticism of our behavior as a species. I do believe, obviously, that the young are more precious and should be treated as such. Mistreating a baby human, a baby dog or a baby elephant is the most deplorable of behaviors.
nowadays hits you when you're young
that human life is more valuable. majority of people are full of shit, why should i value their life over anyother specie?
So you didn't imply it either? This is almost as satisfying as conversing with GTD
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
Whens the last time you heard of a monkey killing another monkey because it was a jew monkey? Humans are more complex but act still act primitive on a daily basis. And I've never heard of animals hunting other animals into extinction just for the sport of it. We're supposed to be proud of ourselves but it's hard to when you hear about people getting blown away over paper...or what they think resides in the sky...or what color their skin is...or......
So now you just said what you didn't say you said before right?
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
well i guess then my brain is not sophisticated enough because although i call myself human being in actual fact i'm an animal just like any other animal.
and i believe person would not be very reasonable with a seat stealer, unless they were scared or didn't want to look bad in front of other people.
all i'm saying is don't put fucking words into my mouth. if you can't remember what i've said go back and read my previous posts.
if anne frank was able to see the innate good in people i see no reason why i should not be able to do the same... we see the examples you listed as evil according to the social constructs our species has established over centuries... we were able to make these moral decisions because of our mental abilities... other species probably have different criteria for what is acceptable behavior and there are probably a percentage of monkeys in monkey society as deplorable to their opinions as the klu klux klan is to ours
http://seanbriceart.com/
This sounds like a bunch of bs lifted from one of your college term papers..So am I scum for eating meat too? Get real, please..
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
i don't think you even know what you said.
wrong
Of COURSE we value the baby more. All humans do instinctually. Can YOU tell me why though? Why do you value the baby more? You will say 'well...because it's a baby human! I'm human!'. Ok, well, to me that's way oversimplified and doesn't really explain it. As I stated, it's ingrained in us for survival purposes to value our kind over others. That's why we see races stick together as well. Thankfully we have overcome that mindset. The jump to seeing other species as our equals is a much larger mental jump to make and likely will never find full recognition by our species (as I doubt racism ever will completely).
I look at it as humans are animals. We are one species in an animal kingdom of many. We have many unique qualities that set us far apart. Other animal species have great unique qualities which set them far apart from other animal species. Just as sharks are not more important than elephants or bees aren't more important than spiders, humans aren't anymore important than all the rest. If this is all true, and we can agree on this, then what logical reason is there in the grand scheme of things to value the life of a human baby over a puppy? Or a baby elephant over a baby squirrel? Or a baby rabbit over a baby hippo? Honestly, answer me that.
Given the situation, I would almost certainly save the baby, given the evolutionary bias we have towards our own species, not to mention the social and cultural environment we come from, it would be impossible to make that decision any other way. I would feel incredibly remorseful for giving up the life of the puppy and in the back of my head know that the decision, in reality, is an impossible one.
nowadays hits you when you're young
http://seanbriceart.com/
You've added almost nothing.
Almost nothing.
nowadays hits you when you're young
Well then don't act like we're stupid and incapable of interpreting what you implied with what you said or didn't say. Seriously, there is no need to read your statements again..calm down..
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
oh, no need to be so bitchy...... it's because in my eyes you are nothing but another animal, isn't it?