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what happened with all that "life is life" speech.....
Can't understand that "eye for an eye" shit....punishment yes, but not wishising someone's death
I would much rather see a person die than a animal. Why? Because we see and hear about people dieing every day. Its nothing new to hear about people dieing. And people get what they deserve out of life, I dont feel sorry for them, but a animal dosent create war, shoot people, rape, and so on... and the animals you see will more than likley be killed with the hands of man, in some way.
Well, as long as it's a person... Great stuff, Roland. ; )
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What would your reaction be if it was a video of him holding a 2 year old girl by the neck and launching her over the side? Don't be so harsh on him? :rolleyes:
Gimme a break with this "eye for an eye" crap.
So let's say some guy rapes and kills my sister....you're basically saying I should get back at him by raping and killing HIS sister. That's beyond stupid. You can't fight against violence with more violence. It doesn't work.
I would be upset to see that happen to any animal. I'm not particularly fond of rodents or snakes, but I wouldn't want to see them tortured either. It's really hard to see that happen to a puppy because we've domesticated dogs...which means we've put them into a dependent state...which makes us more responsible for their care. Not everyone is an animal lover...i get that...but to take joy in hurting one is unfathomable.
Well that's the difference between you and me. I DO value the life of rats, snakes and scorpions as I do cuddly puppies and humans. I must be crazy. :rolleyes: I go out of my way to not needlessly kill bugs, and even let unwanted spiders outside rather than killing them.
Apparently your judgement of worthy life is whether or not it can 'produce' something worthwhile to society. Then how about mentally or physically handicapped people who can't function in society? Are they then worth less than those who can? If you know anything about ecology, then you would know that all animals are vital in one way or another to the earth's ecosystem which directly or indirectly impacts our survival. I would call that a pretty damn important 'job'.
You can hold onto your human superiority, center of the universe complex, but I prefer the non-neanderthal approach.
I really don't know you at all, but this post alone really makes me have alot of respect for you.
people are tortured every day (in Iraq, in Congo, etc.) and you are all so moved by a guy killing a dog... He didn't have to kill the dog and I think it's really disgusting but come on, there are more important things to care about.
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Well that's the difference between you and me. I DO value the life of rats, snakes and scorpions as I do cuddly puppies and humans. I must be crazy. :rolleyes: I go out of my way to not needlessly kill bugs, and even let unwanted spiders outside rather than killing them.
Apparently your judgement of worthy life is whether or not it can 'produce' something worthwhile to society. Then how about mentally or physically handicapped people who can't function in society? Are they then worth less than those who can? If you know anything about ecology, then you would know that all animals are vital in one way or another to the earth's ecosystem which directly or indirectly impacts our survival. I would call that a pretty damn important 'job'.
You can hold onto your human superiority, center of the universe complex, but I prefer the non-neanderthal approach.
lol you value life, but you're in favor of "eye for an eye".
Next time I see a little kid kill a bug, I'll be sure and let you know so you can come and throw him off a cliff.
So let's say some guy rapes and kills my sister....you're basically saying I should get back at him by raping and killing HIS sister. That's beyond stupid. You can't fight against violence with more violence. It doesn't work.
If someone raped and killed your sister, you better believe I'd be all for someone taking a broomstick to his ass. How do you know it doesn't work? When's the last time it's been legally implemented? At least hundreds of years. Our current punishment system is a complete crock. It doesn't prevent crime at all. If punishments fit the crime better, I think people would think twice. You have pot smokers locked up in the same place as murderers and rapists. Sorry, our current system does not work either.
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If someone raped and killed your sister, you better believe I'd be all for someone taking a broomstick to his ass. How do you know it doesn't work? When's the last time it's been legally implemented? At least hundreds of years. Our current punishment system is a complete crock. It doesn't prevent crime at all. If punishments fit the crime better, I think people would think twice. You have pot smokers locked up in the same place as murderers and rapists. Sorry, our current system does not work either.
"A 1995 survey of police chiefs and country sheriffs found that most ranked the death penalty last in a list of six options that might deter violent crime. Their top two picks? Reducing drug abuse and fostering an economy that provides more jobs."
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." Mahatma Gandhi
"Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
If someone raped and killed your sister, you better believe I'd be all for someone taking a broomstick to his ass. How do you know it doesn't work? When's the last time it's been legally implemented? At least hundreds of years. Our current punishment system is a complete crock. It doesn't prevent crime at all. If punishments fit the crime better, I think people would think twice. You have pot smokers locked up in the same place as murderers and rapists. Sorry, our current system does not work either.
I didn't say our current punishment system is great.
I'm saying "eye for an eye" is complete garbage for many reasons...one of which is that it doesn't value life in any way.
I'm going to say one more thing and then I'm out of here:
Violence begets violence.
That is all.
Which brings us back to the point of how war devalues life in the eyes of the men who fight it. Which brings us back to why a soldier would throw a puppy off a cliff. Which brings us back to why it's hypocritical to say a person values life but then calls for this obviously disturbed young soldier's head on a pike.
"Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
lol you value life, but you're in favor of "eye for an eye".
Next time I see a little kid kill a bug, I'll be sure and let you know so you can come and throw him off a cliff.
Ok, you are taking it a little to the extreme. I'm talking the most heinous of crimes, i.e. sacrificial rituals, molestations and gruesome senseless murders. I don't think many people would have a problem with those people being sentenced to similar punishments. Sitting in a jail cell is just getting off easy for them in my book.
I think it's a little out of context to say I would throw a little kid off a cliff who kills a bug. If someone chronically abused a dog, kicking them, starving them, etc, I would be all for showing them how it feels. Maybe it's just me, but I don't deal in absolutes. I take every situation case by case and judge each on its own merits. You can sensationalize what I say all you want, but I feel confident in my judgements.
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+1...can't understant people who say think that if someone kill a puppy he/she deserves to die....where's the value of life there?
I think that's a bit extreme, but he should certainly pay for that kind of insanely disgusting act in some way other than a slap on the wrist by the military, don't you think???? :rolleyes:
Question: What would you think if he threw your 2 year old daughter over a cliff while laughing and joking around? Different story I'd imagine.
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"A 1995 survey of police chiefs and country sheriffs found that most ranked the death penalty last in a list of six options that might deter violent crime. Their top two picks? Reducing drug abuse and fostering an economy that provides more jobs."
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." Mahatma Gandhi
Of course improving economic conditions and education is by far the most important factor in curbing crime. No argue there. Maybe I should just bow out of this argument, because the anarchist/nonconformist in me looks down on our system in many cases. I usually have sympathy for vigilantes and personal justice in cases when the justice system fails, which is more often than not.
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Which brings us back to the point of how war devalues life in the eyes of the men who fight it. Which brings us back to why a soldier would throw a puppy off a cliff.
That was my point EXACTLY
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but he should certainly pay for that kind of insanely disgusting act in some way other than a slap on the wrist by the military, don't you think???? :rolleyes:
of course he should pay, what he did was an act of cruelty against animals and he showed no respect for life!!!
the statement that I can't understand is "eye for an eye"
Which brings us back to the point of how war devalues life in the eyes of the men who fight it. Which brings us back to why a soldier would throw a puppy off a cliff. Which brings us back to why it's hypocritical to say a person values life but then calls for this obviously disturbed young soldier's head on a pike.
I value all life equally. That statement does not in any way suggest at what level life is valued. It could mean it is all worthless or it is all sacred. My point was that I don't have this ridiculous notion that ants are more important than sharks or people are more important than hummingbirds. I'm talking on a large, global scale. Again, individual cases are different. This person to me, because of their actions, is near worthless to me. He is absolutely below a slug to me.
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I did not watch it, but why would you post a fucked up video like that?
I don't want to see that shit.
I think it's a pretty obvious attempt at smearing the thousands of U.S. soldiers who would never do something like that because someone has a bone to pick with our boneheaded involvement in Iraq.
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Ok, you are taking it a little to the extreme. I'm talking the most heinous of crimes, i.e. sacrificial rituals, molestations and gruesome senseless murders. I don't think many people would have a problem with those people being sentenced to similar punishments.
I think you are taking it to the extreme, that's what I'm getting at. Many people (like me) DO have a problem with those people being sentenced based on an eye-for-an-eye system. It's a despicable system, and anyone who truly values life would never support it.
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I would much rather see a person die than a animal. Why? Because we see and hear about people dieing every day. Its nothing new to hear about people dieing. And people get what they deserve out of life, I dont feel sorry for them, but a animal dosent create war, shoot people, rape, and so on... and the animals you see will more than likley be killed with the hands of man, in some way.
Well, as long as it's a person... Great stuff, Roland. ; )
So let's say some guy rapes and kills my sister....you're basically saying I should get back at him by raping and killing HIS sister. That's beyond stupid. You can't fight against violence with more violence. It doesn't work.
I really don't know you at all, but this post alone really makes me have alot of respect for you.
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Next time I see a little kid kill a bug, I'll be sure and let you know so you can come and throw him off a cliff.
I rather not see a person or animal die
If someone raped and killed your sister, you better believe I'd be all for someone taking a broomstick to his ass. How do you know it doesn't work? When's the last time it's been legally implemented? At least hundreds of years. Our current punishment system is a complete crock. It doesn't prevent crime at all. If punishments fit the crime better, I think people would think twice. You have pot smokers locked up in the same place as murderers and rapists. Sorry, our current system does not work either.
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Violence begets violence.
That is all.
"A 1995 survey of police chiefs and country sheriffs found that most ranked the death penalty last in a list of six options that might deter violent crime. Their top two picks? Reducing drug abuse and fostering an economy that provides more jobs."
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/deathpenalty/i/death_penalty_2.htm
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." Mahatma Gandhi
I'm saying "eye for an eye" is complete garbage for many reasons...one of which is that it doesn't value life in any way.
now I'm leaving...have some work to do....
kidding...I'm not leaving and don't have work to do
Which brings us back to the point of how war devalues life in the eyes of the men who fight it. Which brings us back to why a soldier would throw a puppy off a cliff. Which brings us back to why it's hypocritical to say a person values life but then calls for this obviously disturbed young soldier's head on a pike.
Ok, you are taking it a little to the extreme. I'm talking the most heinous of crimes, i.e. sacrificial rituals, molestations and gruesome senseless murders. I don't think many people would have a problem with those people being sentenced to similar punishments. Sitting in a jail cell is just getting off easy for them in my book.
I think it's a little out of context to say I would throw a little kid off a cliff who kills a bug. If someone chronically abused a dog, kicking them, starving them, etc, I would be all for showing them how it feels. Maybe it's just me, but I don't deal in absolutes. I take every situation case by case and judge each on its own merits. You can sensationalize what I say all you want, but I feel confident in my judgements.
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I think that's a bit extreme, but he should certainly pay for that kind of insanely disgusting act in some way other than a slap on the wrist by the military, don't you think???? :rolleyes:
Question: What would you think if he threw your 2 year old daughter over a cliff while laughing and joking around? Different story I'd imagine.
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Of course improving economic conditions and education is by far the most important factor in curbing crime. No argue there. Maybe I should just bow out of this argument, because the anarchist/nonconformist in me looks down on our system in many cases. I usually have sympathy for vigilantes and personal justice in cases when the justice system fails, which is more often than not.
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That was my point EXACTLY
the statement that I can't understand is "eye for an eye" life time prison for him
...I don't know if I'm the only one who think this, but I think that life time prision is worse than death penalty
I don't want to see that shit.
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I value all life equally. That statement does not in any way suggest at what level life is valued. It could mean it is all worthless or it is all sacred. My point was that I don't have this ridiculous notion that ants are more important than sharks or people are more important than hummingbirds. I'm talking on a large, global scale. Again, individual cases are different. This person to me, because of their actions, is near worthless to me. He is absolutely below a slug to me.
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Eaten by a pack of poodles.
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I think it's a pretty obvious attempt at smearing the thousands of U.S. soldiers who would never do something like that because someone has a bone to pick with our boneheaded involvement in Iraq.