Soldier Throws Dog Of Cliff

Swan

genie wrote:

i just think my choice is kind to everyone.

not to little babies.

Kilgore_Trout

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

I think the main problem IS having pride in your species. Depending on what you believe, it's all luck of the draw. And humans aren't the best species to put on display for an example in awesomeness.

have human beings fucked things up? YES... we have a much more intricate and complex social context in which we exist so it makes sense that we are more prone to fuck things up... we have desires (not necessities mind you) that go far beyond any other species thus our impact on the environment (which we are finally beginning to reduce) and our need for domination through war... which occurs in the animal kingdom too but without the weapons... there is common ground between all species but its niave not to value your own before others in a scenario where there is only one or the other... i love animal and i hate to see any die... id just prefer that before a human dying

The Champ

genie wrote:

intelligent? it's just opinions! you've got yours, i've got mine. neither choices are right/wrong. i just think my choice is kind to everyone.

Well, my opinion is that i'd rather my dog die/killed than my mom for example. If you truly value the life of your dog over your 'human' family/loved ones than it's more than mere opinions, but pure insanity..no matter on what level/angle you attempt to argue..

Kilgore_Trout

somnium wrote:

The bottom line here kids is that this prick really fucked up and he'll get his dues.

Would any of you like to argue either one of those points?

nice wrap up! id say this conversation is over

Somnium

sgossard3 wrote:

have human beings fucked things up? YES... we have a much more intricate and complex social context in which we exist so it makes sense that we are more prone to fuck things up... we have desires (not necessities mind you) that go far beyond any other species thus our impact on the environment (which we are finally beginning to reduce) and our need for domination through war... which occurs in the animal kingdom too but without the weapons... there is common ground between all species but its niave not to value your own before others in a scenario where there is only one or the other... i love animal and i hate to see any die... id just prefer that before a human dying

That's a long-winded version of the quest for true civility.

genie

sgossard3 wrote:

have human beings fucked things up? YES... we have a much more intricate and complex social context in which we exist so it makes sense that we are more prone to fuck things up... we have desires (not necessities mind you) that go far beyond any other species thus our impact on the environment (which we are finally beginning to reduce) and our need for domination through war... which occurs in the animal kingdom too but without the weapons... there is common ground between all species but its niave not to value your own before others in a scenario where there is only one or the other... i love animal and i hate to see any die... id just prefer that before a human dying

i'm probably going to get a lot of stick for saying this but:

next time your rushing for work or a meeting, and there is only but ONE empty space for you to squeeze in the train/bus and you try to get in there but before you do someone else comes along and pushes you out of the way and gets in your place.....

will you still think the same?

Kilgore_Trout

somnium wrote:

That's a long-winded version of the quest for true civility.

hey it was only the first draft of my thesis statement! itll get more sucinct later on!

Swan

genie wrote:

i'm probably going to get a lot of stick for saying this but:

next time your rushing for work or a meeting, and there is only but ONE empty space for you to squeeze in the train/bus and you try to get in there but before you do someone else comes along and pushes you out of the way and gets in your place.....

will you still think the same?

the same as what?

genie

The Champ wrote:

Well, my opinion is that i'd rather my dog die/killed than my mom for example. If you truly value the life of your dog over your 'human' family/loved ones than it's more than mere opinions, but pure insanity..no matter on what level/angle you attempt to argue..

i never said i value animal's life over human's

Kilgore_Trout

genie wrote:

i'm probably going to get a lot of stick for saying this but:

next time your rushing for work or a meeting, and there is only but ONE empty space for you to squeeze in the train/bus and you try to get in there but before you do someone else comes along and pushes you out of the way and gets in your place.....

will you still think the same?

id rather a human take my seat then be pushed out of the way by a puppy... dont really see the connection with your scenario tho... i never said i am not frustrated with people at times... youre saying my respect for all mankind should be reduced because we have the mental capacity to steal seats? likewise, i have a human brain sophisticated enough to reason with the seat stealer whereas animals would immediately resort to violence in the same scenario (though lets replace train seat with a nice hot rock)

AllNiteThing

Swan wrote:

you're comparing a baby to a dog?

You're comparing animal to animal? Do you also value the life of a caterpillar over a snail? Bumblebee over a shark? Fir tree over over rose bush? See how ridiculous it can be? Of course it's ingrained in us (and every species) to value the life of our own over other species' for survival purposes. But I think one of the qualities that does make us unique is the ability to use logic and perspective and perhaps allowing ourselves to be a bit more enlightened about our place in the world.

I don't blame you for thinking otherwise, because we are hardwired to believe in our superiority (and culturally reinforced). Unfortunately this mindstate is what is leading us to devour and eradicate our (distant) relatives in the animal kingdom. Because we have put the rest of the animal kingdom under the heel of our collective foot, we are open to much more scrutiny and criticism of our behavior as a species. I do believe, obviously, that the young are more precious and should be treated as such. Mistreating a baby human, a baby dog or a baby elephant is the most deplorable of behaviors.

genie

Swan wrote:

the same as what?

that human life is more valuable. majority of people are full of shit, why should i value their life over anyother specie?

The Champ

genie wrote:

i never said i value animal's life over human's

So you didn't imply it either? This is almost as satisfying as conversing with GTD ..almost..

Vedderlution_Baby

sgossard3 wrote:

have human beings fucked things up? YES... we have a much more intricate and complex social context in which we exist so it makes sense that we are more prone to fuck things up... we have desires (not necessities mind you) that go far beyond any other species thus our impact on the environment (which we are finally beginning to reduce) and our need for domination through war... which occurs in the animal kingdom too but without the weapons... there is common ground between all species but its niave not to value your own before others in a scenario where there is only one or the other... i love animal and i hate to see any die... id just prefer that before a human dying

Whens the last time you heard of a monkey killing another monkey because it was a jew monkey? Humans are more complex but act still act primitive on a daily basis. And I've never heard of animals hunting other animals into extinction just for the sport of it. We're supposed to be proud of ourselves but it's hard to when you hear about people getting blown away over paper...or what they think resides in the sky...or what color their skin is...or......

Somnium

This thread is going to explode when we get to the ladybug section.

The Champ

genie wrote:

that human life is more valuable. majority of people are full of shit, why should i value their life over anyother specie?

So now you just said what you didn't say you said before right?

Swan

fucking hippies, man. shit's been going downhill ever since the 60's.

genie

sgossard3 wrote:

id rather a human take my seat then be pushed out of the way by a puppy... dont really see the connection with your scenario tho... i never said i am not frustrated with people at times... youre saying my respect for all mankind should be reduced because we have the mental capacity to steal seats? likewise, i have a human brain sophisticated enough to reason with the seat stealer whereas animals would immediately resort to violence in the same scenario (though lets replace train seat with a nice hot rock)

well i guess then my brain is not sophisticated enough because although i call myself human being in actual fact i'm an animal just like any other animal.
and i believe person would not be very reasonable with a seat stealer, unless they were scared or didn't want to look bad in front of other people.

Somnium

My brain is so sophisticated that I'm sitting in your seat and mine.

PJ_Saluki

Good to see this thing is still going. I think all of us should be thrown off a cliff by a puppy.