Yeah, I'd take Haren too. I hope the Yanks pay throught the nose for Santana at this point.
Oh, and the pitching is better in the American League. Their stats are worse due to the better hitters and the DH, but that doesn't mean the talent isnt there.
See any NL pitcher who comes over after doing well in the NL and gets waxed by the AL.
Seriously,,...u think the sox really need to make a move for a pitcher like this?
If I were them I would not mess with a thing. Especially with the young prospects and talent they have coming up. Why mix and mess with something that seemed to be perfect last year?
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you people (red sox fans) are high. i am a sox fan and sure, i love jacoby ellsbury as much as everyone else does and i think that jed lowrie as well as bowden and/or masterson (or any other minor league prospect) has the potential to be above average mlb players but.....
johan santana is a 2 time cy young winning, left handed throwing, top of the rotation, league strikeout leading, #1 pitcher in the prime of his career who, by the way, is only 28 years old.
i don't see a trade getting done if the sox are only offering up ellsbury without lester or buchholz though. and i wouldn't do an ellsbury, lester and a prospect trade.
NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- The Johan Santana watch continued Monday afternoon at the Gaylord Opryland Resort & Convention Center with no resolution in sight.
The future of the Minnesota Twins ace has become the talk of the 2007 Winter Meetings, and while no deal appears imminent, one potential suitor has dropped out of the race.
A high-ranking American League official confirmed to MLB.com Monday morning that the Mariners were no longer in discussions for the two-time Cy Young Award winner.
While the Mariners are the first team to officially pull out of the Santana hunt, the list of interested parties still includes the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels and Mets. But the race appears to be a battle between the Yankees and the Red Sox.
The bidding war between the two clubs could come to an end as early as Monday with the Yankees setting a deadline for their offer to expire. Yankees senior vice president Hank Steinbrenner told The Associated Press on Sunday that he felt the Twins were playing his club against the Red Sox, and that the Yankees could pull out if the Twins don't agree to a package that is believed to include Phil Hughes, Melky Cabrera and a mid-level prospect.
"This is not an act," Steinbrenner said. "It's not a bluff. It's just reality.
"Because as much as I want Santana, and you can make that clear -- for his sake, to know that I do want him -- but the fact is that I'm not going to play the game."
The feeling by many baseball insiders is that the Twins will indeed trade Santana. But even with the deadline supposedly set, the Twins don't appear to be feeling the pressure.
Indications from club sources are the team is in no rush to make a deal if they don't feel it's the one it wants.
Offers from both New York and Boston have had pieces that the Twins seem to covet but not the entire package. The Twins like Red Sox center fielder Jacoby Ellsbury and pitcher Jon Lester, but Boston officials have indicated they will part with one or the other, not both. The Yankees have also reportedly refused to include top prospects Ian Kennedy or Austin Jackson in the same package as Hughes and Cabrera.
Even reports that Santana might not waive his no-trade clause after the start of the '08 season haven't appeared to increase the club's urgency. But whether the deadline or the potential of Santana to nix a deal will change the Twins' outlook by the end of the day is the big question in Nashville. And its answer is being eagerly anticipated by the entire league.
alot fo people here cacn attest to my love for the red sox...
i dont want santana if we have to give up elsbury for him. yes, santana is one of the best pitchers in the game, but the sox rotation did fine without him last year, and elsbury has the makings of a superstar.
alot fo people here cacn attest to my love for the red sox...
i dont want santana if we have to give up elsbury for him. yes, santana is one of the best pitchers in the game, but the sox rotation did fine without him last year, and elsbury has the makings of a superstar.
I agree with this, if the Sox have to give up Els Santana is not worth it.
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"There's a natural order of things this winter and we're just going to let it play out," he said. "If we think the dynamic changes or our interest changes, we certainly wouldn't hesitate to put a timetable on something or other. But this doesn't apply right now."
hank steinbrenner:
"I want to get it done by tonight, one way or another," Yankees senior vice president Hank Steinbrenner said, according to The Associated Press. "I'm waiting for a meeting in Nashville, and then Brian will give me a call."
who would you rather have in charge of your team right now?
let's not get carried away here. The only good trade the Sox have made in the past few years was while Theo was ina gorilla suit following PJ around the world. How much did the Wonderboy pay Gagne this year? About $7 mil for 2 months of sucking?
"There's a natural order of things this winter and we're just going to let it play out," he said. "If we think the dynamic changes or our interest changes, we certainly wouldn't hesitate to put a timetable on something or other. But this doesn't apply right now."
hank steinbrenner:
"I want to get it done by tonight, one way or another," Yankees senior vice president Hank Steinbrenner said, according to The Associated Press. "I'm waiting for a meeting in Nashville, and then Brian will give me a call."
who would you rather have in charge of your team right now?
The Francona Rule as reported by the Boston Herald
Red Sox manager Terry Francona officially has a rule named after him.
“There’s going to be, for lack of a better term, a ‘Francona Rule,’” said Bob Watson, Major League Baseball’s Vice President of Rules and On-Field Operations. “You can only wear your uniform top or jacket. You can’t wear your night-shirt, or whatever it is. You can wear it before games, or after games, but not during games. You have to have your uniform top at all times.”
No more pullover for Francona.
When asked if teams had been notified of the development Watson said, “They will be informed. There will be no doubt.”
I'm sure someone has already said this but if they could pick up Haren and keep Ellsbury that would be nice.
Haren's numbers won't be anywhere as good out of that cavern of a park in Oakland...he's not really gonna be a big addition.
While I don't wanna see Ellsbury go, if you can get Santana, you have to do it.
Imagine a rotation of Beckett, Santana, Matsuzaka, Buccholz (assuming they trade Ellsbury and keep him) and insert your 5th starter(Schilling in '08, whoever beyond) for the next 6 years, with Papelbon at the back of the bullpen. You're gonna be the favorite to win the WS every year for a 5 or 6 year stretch.
While Hank Steinbrenner set deadlines and publicly lusted after Johan Santana, the Red Sox just bided their time and stayed in the game.
And what do you know? As Monday night turned into Tuesday morning at the winter meetings, suddenly it was the Red Sox who loomed as the favorites to pull off a deal for the best pitcher in baseball.
ESPN the Magazine's Buster Olney reported early Tuesday that the Twins asked the Red Sox for permission to review the medical records of pitcher Jon Lester, amid indications a Red Sox-Twins trade could go down sometime during the early-morning hours.
If the Twins were satisfied with Lester's medicals, it's believed they would accept a swap of him, Coco Crisp, shortstop prospect Jed Lowrie and either highly regarded pitching prospect Justin Masterson or another player.
While Hank Steinbrenner set deadlines and publicly lusted after Johan Santana, the Red Sox just bided their time and stayed in the game.
And what do you know? As Monday night turned into Tuesday morning at the winter meetings, suddenly it was the Red Sox who loomed as the favorites to pull off a deal for the best pitcher in baseball.
ESPN the Magazine's Buster Olney reported early Tuesday that the Twins asked the Red Sox for permission to review the medical records of pitcher Jon Lester, amid indications a Red Sox-Twins trade could go down sometime during the early-morning hours.
If the Twins were satisfied with Lester's medicals, it's believed they would accept a swap of him, Coco Crisp, shortstop prospect Jed Lowrie and either highly regarded pitching prospect Justin Masterson or another player.
I really like the sound of this deal. Lester may never be the same guy and we don't have to deal Ellsbury. While I think Ellsbury may be at or near his peak already (he is 24), he is still a very fast guy who plays great defense and hits very well. Sure there's not much power, but he's an upgrade in the batter's box over Coco. I've seen comparisons to George Brett who had similar talents. I'll take that anyday.
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let's not get carried away here. The only good trade the Sox have made in the past few years was while Theo was ina gorilla suit following PJ around the world. How much did the Wonderboy pay Gagne this year? About $7 mil for 2 months of sucking?
Except that Epstein was still working with the team at the time and signed off on the deal. What Epstein is best at is the whole picture, drafting players and molding a team. He also understands there is always more than the current season, and the way he changed the team from 2004 to 2007 and won another title proves this. Where are those free agents we would miss so sorely? Damon and Martinez (still have all the love in the world for him though) are not worth their deals, and Theo is the master at the non-move.
ellsbury apparently has dropped his agent and signed with scott boras. i just lost a little respect for him.
I have no problem with a player trying to get top dollar. Have you forgotten that Varitek is a Boras client?
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Yep and so is Dice K, JD Drew, Alex Cora, Craig Hansen and Julian Tavarez.
There are a bunch of Boras clients on the Sox.
Just looked that up and was about to post it. Damon and Derek Lowe were Boras clients as well. It's not as if Ellsbury is the only one and being selfish. It's his career. If it were me, I'd want to get the most compensation I could while playing. Boras is the one that can get you that. Sure, he's a jerk, but he has his clients' interests in mind.
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i wasn't being 100% serious. i could care less who the players agent is.
i know exactly who the boras clients are on the red sox. i'm just not a fan of boras and his tactics at all.
Oh, ok. Sure, Boras pisses me off too. The whole A-Rod thing during the Series was a debacle. I'm sure that he had to run it by A-Rod before going public at that time though. A-Rod is all about himself and it really showed at that point. I doubt Boras would have done the same thing if it were another high caliber player without the ego of A-Rod.
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let's not get carried away here. The only good trade the Sox have made in the past few years was while Theo was ina gorilla suit following PJ around the world. How much did the Wonderboy pay Gagne this year? About $7 mil for 2 months of sucking?
I do believe Theo orchestrated the deal for Schilling (even flew to AZ and spent Thanksgiving at Schilling's house) in 2003, and one bloody sock later, your Yankees are an afterthought in the baseball world 4 years running.
Boras should be able to negotiate $8.50 an hour for Hansen at McDonald's when his current contract expires.
With Boras' negotiating skills, he may even get him $9.00 at Starbucks.
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its still impressive to get there
plus we lost one in the bottom of the 9th game 7
point being we were on the brink 6 x in 8 years and won 4
hard to repeat that
p.s. we won 4 out of 5 years which the sox cant do
actually i doubt any team will
If they get Santana, they could win 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010 in theory which would be 4 years straight.
GOOD LUCK WITH THAT
i dont care if jesus christ was on your team lol
tough to do
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Oh, and the pitching is better in the American League. Their stats are worse due to the better hitters and the DH, but that doesn't mean the talent isnt there.
See any NL pitcher who comes over after doing well in the NL and gets waxed by the AL.
If I were them I would not mess with a thing. Especially with the young prospects and talent they have coming up. Why mix and mess with something that seemed to be perfect last year?
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johan santana is a 2 time cy young winning, left handed throwing, top of the rotation, league strikeout leading, #1 pitcher in the prime of his career who, by the way, is only 28 years old.
i don't see a trade getting done if the sox are only offering up ellsbury without lester or buchholz though. and i wouldn't do an ellsbury, lester and a prospect trade.
NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- The Johan Santana watch continued Monday afternoon at the Gaylord Opryland Resort & Convention Center with no resolution in sight.
The future of the Minnesota Twins ace has become the talk of the 2007 Winter Meetings, and while no deal appears imminent, one potential suitor has dropped out of the race.
A high-ranking American League official confirmed to MLB.com Monday morning that the Mariners were no longer in discussions for the two-time Cy Young Award winner.
While the Mariners are the first team to officially pull out of the Santana hunt, the list of interested parties still includes the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels and Mets. But the race appears to be a battle between the Yankees and the Red Sox.
The bidding war between the two clubs could come to an end as early as Monday with the Yankees setting a deadline for their offer to expire. Yankees senior vice president Hank Steinbrenner told The Associated Press on Sunday that he felt the Twins were playing his club against the Red Sox, and that the Yankees could pull out if the Twins don't agree to a package that is believed to include Phil Hughes, Melky Cabrera and a mid-level prospect.
"This is not an act," Steinbrenner said. "It's not a bluff. It's just reality.
"Because as much as I want Santana, and you can make that clear -- for his sake, to know that I do want him -- but the fact is that I'm not going to play the game."
The feeling by many baseball insiders is that the Twins will indeed trade Santana. But even with the deadline supposedly set, the Twins don't appear to be feeling the pressure.
Indications from club sources are the team is in no rush to make a deal if they don't feel it's the one it wants.
Offers from both New York and Boston have had pieces that the Twins seem to covet but not the entire package. The Twins like Red Sox center fielder Jacoby Ellsbury and pitcher Jon Lester, but Boston officials have indicated they will part with one or the other, not both. The Yankees have also reportedly refused to include top prospects Ian Kennedy or Austin Jackson in the same package as Hughes and Cabrera.
Even reports that Santana might not waive his no-trade clause after the start of the '08 season haven't appeared to increase the club's urgency. But whether the deadline or the potential of Santana to nix a deal will change the Twins' outlook by the end of the day is the big question in Nashville. And its answer is being eagerly anticipated by the entire league.
i dont want santana if we have to give up elsbury for him. yes, santana is one of the best pitchers in the game, but the sox rotation did fine without him last year, and elsbury has the makings of a superstar.
I agree with this, if the Sox have to give up Els Santana is not worth it.
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"There's a natural order of things this winter and we're just going to let it play out," he said. "If we think the dynamic changes or our interest changes, we certainly wouldn't hesitate to put a timetable on something or other. But this doesn't apply right now."
hank steinbrenner:
"I want to get it done by tonight, one way or another," Yankees senior vice president Hank Steinbrenner said, according to The Associated Press. "I'm waiting for a meeting in Nashville, and then Brian will give me a call."
who would you rather have in charge of your team right now?
hank. he who hesitates, masterbates.
Red Sox manager Terry Francona officially has a rule named after him.
“There’s going to be, for lack of a better term, a ‘Francona Rule,’” said Bob Watson, Major League Baseball’s Vice President of Rules and On-Field Operations. “You can only wear your uniform top or jacket. You can’t wear your night-shirt, or whatever it is. You can wear it before games, or after games, but not during games. You have to have your uniform top at all times.”
No more pullover for Francona.
When asked if teams had been notified of the development Watson said, “They will be informed. There will be no doubt.”
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While I don't wanna see Ellsbury go, if you can get Santana, you have to do it.
Imagine a rotation of Beckett, Santana, Matsuzaka, Buccholz (assuming they trade Ellsbury and keep him) and insert your 5th starter(Schilling in '08, whoever beyond) for the next 6 years, with Papelbon at the back of the bullpen. You're gonna be the favorite to win the WS every year for a 5 or 6 year stretch.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3140668
While Hank Steinbrenner set deadlines and publicly lusted after Johan Santana, the Red Sox just bided their time and stayed in the game.
And what do you know? As Monday night turned into Tuesday morning at the winter meetings, suddenly it was the Red Sox who loomed as the favorites to pull off a deal for the best pitcher in baseball.
ESPN the Magazine's Buster Olney reported early Tuesday that the Twins asked the Red Sox for permission to review the medical records of pitcher Jon Lester, amid indications a Red Sox-Twins trade could go down sometime during the early-morning hours.
If the Twins were satisfied with Lester's medicals, it's believed they would accept a swap of him, Coco Crisp, shortstop prospect Jed Lowrie and either highly regarded pitching prospect Justin Masterson or another player.
I really like the sound of this deal. Lester may never be the same guy and we don't have to deal Ellsbury. While I think Ellsbury may be at or near his peak already (he is 24), he is still a very fast guy who plays great defense and hits very well. Sure there's not much power, but he's an upgrade in the batter's box over Coco. I've seen comparisons to George Brett who had similar talents. I'll take that anyday.
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I have no problem with a player trying to get top dollar. Have you forgotten that Varitek is a Boras client?
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Yep and so is Dice K, JD Drew, Alex Cora, Craig Hansen and Julian Tavarez.
There are a bunch of Boras clients on the Sox.
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i know exactly who the boras clients are on the red sox. i'm just not a fan of boras and his tactics at all.
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