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  • let's not get carried away here. The only good trade the Sox have made in the past few years was while Theo was ina gorilla suit following PJ around the world. How much did the Wonderboy pay Gagne this year? About $7 mil for 2 months of sucking?

    yeah the Nomar trade didn't work out either.
    "This guy back here is giving me the ole one more....one more back to you buddy."

    - Mr. Edward Vedder 7/11/03


  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Poncier wrote:
    I do believe Theo orchestrated the deal for Schilling (even flew to AZ and spent Thanksgiving at Schilling's house) in 2003, and one bloody sock later, your Yankees are an afterthought in the baseball world 4 years running.

    I guess the Evil Empire forgets about the Red Sox picking up Dave Roberts for a minor leaguer as well. He might have had a little bit of an impact in the 04 post season. ;)
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,651
    yeah the Nomar trade didn't work out either.
    Solat13 wrote:
    I guess the Evil Empire forgets about the Red Sox picking up Dave Roberts for a minor leaguer as well. He might have had a little bit of an impact in the 04 post season. ;)


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  • Poncier wrote:
    I do believe Theo orchestrated the deal for Schilling (even flew to AZ and spent Thanksgiving at Schilling's house) in 2003, and one bloody sock later, your Yankees are an afterthought in the baseball world 4 years running.

    Only team to be in the playoffs in 2006 and 2007 is an afterthought? That's not even getting into the fact that they have been in the playoffs every year since 1995. But hey, you do have that impressive 1 year streak of winning the division
  • Poncier wrote:
    I do believe Theo orchestrated the deal for Schilling (even flew to AZ and spent Thanksgiving at Schilling's house) in 2003, and one bloody sock later, your Yankees are an afterthought in the baseball world 4 years running.

    I said in the last few years, not ever. You're right though, when Arizona gave away Schilling (and his bottle of ketchup) for a bag of balls, Theo was there to make that trade
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,651
    I said in the last few years, not ever. You're right though, when Arizona gave away Schilling (and his bottle of ketchup) for a bag of balls, Theo was there to make that trade
    And Cashman, Georgie Calzone, Mister Hankey and Shallow Hal were not. But they did get Randy Johnson from the D'backs...how'd that work out for them?
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,651
    Only team to be in the playoffs in 2006 and 2007 is an afterthought? That's not even getting into the fact that they have been in the playoffs every year since 1995. But hey, you do have that impressive 1 year streak of winning the division
    Yea 1 year winning the division and 2 World Series titles since that trade was made. Are you going to the Yanks' first round playoff loss parade for the 3rd year in a row?
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  • Can't. I'm too busy watching The Red Sox try to buy another World Series title
  • Poncier wrote:
    And Cashman, Georgie Calzone, Mister Hankey and Shallow Hal were not. But they did get Randy Johnson from the D'backs...how'd that work out for them?

    Jury's still out. Depends on how Ross Ohlendorf pitches in the next few years
  • Can't. I'm too busy watching The Red Sox try to buy another World Series title
    LOL That is priceless. The Sox true luxury with money is the ability to overcome free agent mistakes, the Drew performance would have sunk most teams. at least half of baseball could spend over 100 million. They don't. Don't blame the Sox for that. Revenue is over 6 Billion in this game.

    Anyways, despite my hatred for the man at least George always spent what was needed to field the team he wanted. (whether or not that was a good team was the question and the problem)
    9/7/98, 8/3/00, 9/4/00, 4/15/03, 7/1/03, 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 5/24/06, 5/25/06, 6/17/08, 6/22/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 5/17/10, 10/15/13, 10/16/13.
  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Can't. I'm too busy watching The Red Sox try to buy another World Series title

    Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black when the Yanks payroll is currently around 70 million more than the Red Sox and they have the highest paid C, SS, 3B, Closer, DH and Rf in all of baseball - not to mention the 26 million dollar left handed hitting platoon of Damon and Matsui in LF.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,651
    Can't. I'm too busy watching The Red Sox try to buy another World Series title
    Now that is funny coming from a Yank's fan.
    The Sox brass just knows how to spend better than the Yanks brass.
    *coughKeiIgawacough*
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  • Poncier wrote:
    Now that is funny coming from a Yank's fan.
    The Sox brass just knows how to spend better than the Yanks brass.
    *coughKeiIgawacough*

    well, I can't argue with that. What the fuck were they thinking? he's the worst pitcher I've evers een, and I've seen some bad ones. There's a good chance that the Sox payroll will surpass the Yanks in 2009, when Mussina, Giambi Pavano and Abrue come off the books. That's $60 mil right there. If this Santana deal happens and the Sox give him $25 mil per year, and re-sign Manny, it could very well happen.
  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    well, I can't argue with that. What the fuck were they thinking? he's the worst pitcher I've evers een, and I've seen some bad ones. There's a good chance that the Sox payroll will surpass the Yanks in 2009, when Mussina, Giambi Pavano and Abrue come off the books. That's $60 mil right there. If this Santana deal happens and the Sox give him $25 mil per year, and re-sign Manny, it could very well happen.

    Obviously it's way too early to tell especially with the Yanks having to sign Cano and Wang to big deals next year and the Sox the same with Papelbon and Youklis because all would be arbitration eligible.

    The Sox payroll with Santana this year would be about 140-145 mil. If Santana gets 23 million or so add an extra ten to take it in the 150-155 mil range. But the Sox have about 35 mil in expiring contracts this year even if they bring Manny back and if they don't they have an extra 20 million off the payroll. It would be hard for the Sox payroll to jump ahead of the Yanks in the near future.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,651
    well, I can't argue with that. What the fuck were they thinking? he's the worst pitcher I've evers een, and I've seen some bad ones. There's a good chance that the Sox payroll will surpass the Yanks in 2009, when Mussina, Giambi Pavano and Abrue come off the books. That's $60 mil right there. If this Santana deal happens and the Sox give him $25 mil per year, and re-sign Manny, it could very well happen.
    It could, though I'd be willing to bet in 2009 those 4 salaries are replaced by at least as many dollars committed to other players by the Yanks.

    If the Sox ever outspend the Yanks, the NY press will be all over the Yanks for failing to attempt to compete with their fiercest rival, even if the Yanks are instead spending more wisely and fielding a team of young talent like the early days of Jeter/Posada/Rivera/Williams. Such is life in the NY media market.
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  • Cashman at least seems to be immune to the press. I don't know about Hank. The only big name free agent I see them going after for 2009 is Teixiera. And maybe an outfielder or 2
  • The Yanks have an old team, and until the farm starts pushing new blood they're kinda stuck. Only Cabrera and Cano are young, pretty much the rest of the team is somewhere between 32 and 36, so they'll need more than just 1 or 2 players soon.
    9/7/98, 8/3/00, 9/4/00, 4/15/03, 7/1/03, 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 5/24/06, 5/25/06, 6/17/08, 6/22/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 5/17/10, 10/15/13, 10/16/13.
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    SI.com's Jon Heyman believes the Red Sox will enhance their offer for Johan Santana on Tuesday afternoon in order to get a deal done.
    Perhaps that means one more prospect will go the other way. First baseman Lars Anderson, right-hander Michael Bowden and outfielder Ryan Kalish would have to be at the top of Minnesota's list if it's going to be a 5-for-1 deal. They're not expected to give the Twins both Jon Lester and Jacoby Ellsbury. Dec. 4 - 12:52 pm et
    Source: SI.com

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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    gue_barium wrote:
    SI.com's Jon Heyman believes the Red Sox will enhance their offer for Johan Santana on Tuesday afternoon in order to get a deal done.
    Perhaps that means one more prospect will go the other way. First baseman Lars Anderson, right-hander Michael Bowden and outfielder Ryan Kalish would have to be at the top of Minnesota's list if it's going to be a 5-for-1 deal. They're not expected to give the Twins both Jon Lester and Jacoby Ellsbury. Dec. 4 - 12:52 pm et
    Source: SI.com

    Wouldn't be the first time. Frank Viola was dealt from the Twins for 5 players to the Mets in 1989 and the Mets let him walk away two years later as a free agent. Not saying I like 5 for 1 but it's not unprecedented.

    The Phillies also made a 5 for 1 trade for Von Hayes in 1982. One of the 5 the Phils gave up was the ageless Julio Franco.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • The Yanks have an old team, and until the farm starts pushing new blood they're kinda stuck. Only Cabrera and Cano are young, pretty much the rest of the team is somewhere between 32 and 36, so they'll need more than just 1 or 2 players soon.

    Aside from pettitte, every SP in the Yankees rotation is under 27. their 3-5 SP's are all 22 or under. They also have a very promising CF down on the farm
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Solat13 wrote:
    Wouldn't be the first time. Frank Viola was dealt from the Twins for 5 players to the Mets in 1989 and the Mets let him walk away two years later as a free agent. Not saying I like 5 for 1 but it's not unprecedented.

    The Phillies also made a 5 for 1 trade for Von Hayes in 1982. One of the 5 the Phils gave up was the ageless Julio Franco.

    I like the way the Twins are playing this. I hope it works out. It's getting time for me to start a "Minnesota Twins 2008" thread. :)

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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Aside from pettitte, every SP in the Yankees rotation is under 27. their 3-5 SP's are all 22 or under. They also have a very promising CF down on the farm

    Well that may be the case in 09, but I can't picture Mussina being in the bullpen so I'm guessing that he'll be in the rotation by the end of Spring Training. And probably Kennedy starting the year in AAA. Kennedy has only thrown a 149 innings in his minor league career so they may try to build up his arm strength.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • JSBEJSBE Posts: 1,076
    from espn's winter meetings live blog:

    3:28 p.m., from Peter Gammons
    • The Twins and Red Sox are getting closer to finalizing a Johan Santana deal. Boston has sweetened its offer by adding a fifth player to the trade proposal -- outfield prospect Ryan Kalish, a ninth-round draft pick in the 2006 out of Red Bank Catholic High School (Shrewsbury, N.J.).

    this would be in addition to lester, crisp, lowrie and masterson.

    i've only heard of kalish, don't know a hell of a lot about him other than if he was drafted in 06 he's probably a couple years away from the majors.
  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    JSBE wrote:
    i've only heard of kalish, don't know a hell of a lot about him other than if he was drafted in 06 he's probably a couple years away from the majors.

    Scouting Report for Ryan Kalish: Excellent athlete with a solid build, good bat speed, and lots of quickness on the basepaths. Leadoff hitter potential. The organization worked with Kalish to improve his swing and plate patience prior to his 2007 short-season debut, and since then he has demonstrated a very good approach at the plate. Not a lot of present power but does have decent power potential. In the field, he has excellent range, a strong arm, and average accuracy, but needs to work on his decision making. Tough competitor with a mature demeanor. Kalish tends to be a very popular player with fans, and he himself grew up a Red Sox fan from the Jersey shore. Could project as a center fielder or a right fielder. Missed part of 2007 season with a wrist injury, should be fully healed for 2008.

    scored 27 runs in only 19 games while batting .368 in A ball - at least a few years away will be 20 next year
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • JSBEJSBE Posts: 1,076
    Cashman at least seems to be immune to the press. I don't know about Hank. The only big name free agent I see them going after for 2009 is Teixiera. And maybe an outfielder or 2

    http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2002/02/2008-09-free-agents.html

    teixiera is the only free agent you see the yanks going after?

    Bobby Abreu NYY
    Carl Crawford * TB
    Adam Dunn CIN
    Vladimir Guerrero * LAA
    A.J. Burnett TOR (may opt out)
    John Lackey * LAA
    Jake Peavy * SD
    Brad Penny * LAD
    C.C. Sabathia CLE
    Johan Santana MIN
    Ben Sheets MIL
    Joe Nathan MIN
    Francisco Rodriguez LAA

    i would figure that anyone with an * (09 option) will get that option picked up by the team if no long term extension is completed before then.
  • JSBEJSBE Posts: 1,076
    Solat13 wrote:
    Scouting Report for Ryan Kalish: Excellent athlete with a solid build, good bat speed, and lots of quickness on the basepaths. Leadoff hitter potential. The organization worked with Kalish to improve his swing and plate patience prior to his 2007 short-season debut, and since then he has demonstrated a very good approach at the plate. Not a lot of present power but does have decent power potential. In the field, he has excellent range, a strong arm, and average accuracy, but needs to work on his decision making. Tough competitor with a mature demeanor. Kalish tends to be a very popular player with fans, and he himself grew up a Red Sox fan from the Jersey shore. Could project as a center fielder or a right fielder. Missed part of 2007 season with a wrist injury, should be fully healed for 2008.

    scored 27 runs in only 19 games while batting .368 in A ball - at least a few years away will be 20 next year

    thanks. was busy putting together a lits of 09 free agents to counter the yanks fan saying tex would be the only possible free agent of note for the yanks.
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Solat13 wrote:
    Scouting Report for Ryan Kalish: Excellent athlete with a solid build, good bat speed, and lots of quickness on the basepaths. Leadoff hitter potential. The organization worked with Kalish to improve his swing and plate patience prior to his 2007 short-season debut, and since then he has demonstrated a very good approach at the plate. Not a lot of present power but does have decent power potential. In the field, he has excellent range, a strong arm, and average accuracy, but needs to work on his decision making. Tough competitor with a mature demeanor. Kalish tends to be a very popular player with fans, and he himself grew up a Red Sox fan from the Jersey shore. Could project as a center fielder or a right fielder. Missed part of 2007 season with a wrist injury, should be fully healed for 2008.

    scored 27 runs in only 19 games while batting .368 in A ball - at least a few years away will be 20 next year
    Not too shabby.

    I'm still not getting the Crisp part of the deal, though.

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  • JSBE wrote:
    http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2002/02/2008-09-free-agents.html

    teixiera is the only free agent you see the yanks going after?

    Bobby Abreu NYY
    Carl Crawford * TB
    Adam Dunn CIN
    Vladimir Guerrero * LAA
    A.J. Burnett TOR (may opt out)
    John Lackey * LAA
    Jake Peavy * SD
    Brad Penny * LAD
    C.C. Sabathia CLE
    Johan Santana MIN
    Ben Sheets MIL
    Joe Nathan MIN
    Francisco Rodriguez LAA

    i would figure that anyone with an * (09 option) will get that option picked up by the team if no long term extension is completed before then.

    maybe Adam Dunn, but I think they'd go after him OR Tex to play 1st. Not both. Dunn can play the OF, (not well) but I doubt they'd want him for the OF.

    if we assume all these guys become free agents, no options are picked up, then Peavy maybe, depending on how Hughes, Joba and Kennedy pitch in 2007 and if Pettitte comes back. But that should be a non-issue as the pods will either pick up the option, sign him long term, or deal him to a team that will sign him long term. Of course if Peavy does hit the open market, the Red sox will be sure to swoop in, and add yet another $100 million pitcher. You know if Santana gets $25 mil per, beckett's not gonna be too happy making some 40% of that)

    The Yanks woud obviously have interest in Crawford, but he won't hit the market either, at least not for 2009. The Rays are trading away all theire young OFers, they must plan on keeping Crawford. they can't be THAT stupid, can they?
  • JSBEJSBE Posts: 1,076
    maybe Adam Dunn, but I think they'd go after him OR Tex to play 1st. Not both. Dunn can play the OF, (not well) but I doubt they'd want him for the OF.

    if we assume all these guys become free agents, no options are picked up, then Peavy maybe, depending on how Hughes, Joba and Kennedy pitch in 2007 and if Pettitte comes back. But that should be a non-issue as the pods will either pick up the option, sign him long term, or deal him to a team that will sign him long term. Of course if Peavy does hit the open market, the Red sox will be sure to swoop in, and add yet another $100 million pitcher. You know if Santana gets $25 mil per, beckett's not gonna be too happy making some 40% of that)

    The Yanks woud obviously have interest in Crawford, but he won't hit the market either, at least not for 2009. The Rays are trading away all theire young OFers, they must plan on keeping Crawford. they can't be THAT stupid, can they?

    the yanks (and most every other team in baseball) would want lackey, peavy, burnett, penny, sabathia, sheets, nathan and k-rod if they're out there as free agents. pitching is king in the majors right now. peavy will most likely sign an extension with the padres. no idea what will happen with lackey and k-rod - although i would guess extension. burnett will opt out. penny's option will be picked up. sabathia will break the bank. sheets will move on, brewers won't pay and nathan will either be traded or walk as a free agent. just my opinion.

    too bad for beckett. he signed the contract. he could have waited until he was a free agent but i think he jumped on the offer because he was in the middle of his first year in the AL, wasn't doing all that great. beckett will get his deal in 2011. i'm sure he'll get by on the $30-40mil the sox will pay him.

    with the rays, i could see them trying to keep crawford, but trading away dukes who was a head case and young doesn't mean much except they were loaded with young OFs.
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