As long as Ellsbury and Buccholz stay, I say do it. It would mean a fearsome foursome for time to come, and Santana is the best pitcher that is going to be available for the next few years.
If it happens, the Sox will have acquired the best available pitcher each of the last 3 offseasons with Beckett, Matsuzaka and Santana.
Serious kudos to the front office and the farm system for that.
Then you pick up Manny's 2009 option, and probably 2010 cause if he produces like Manny, he'll be a bargain at $20 mil, and this team may exceed the Yankees of the mid-late 90's.
there is no way the twins would be that dumb to trade johan to boston without the sox including ellsbury or buchholz.
but agreed,... if the sox do get santana its just beyond lights out.
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well yea u got beckett ,,best pitcher out there, so of course the yanks have to match that as best they can
sox are just driving up the price
Maybe, but the Sox do have one thing the Yanks can't offer right now - a major league ready shortstop. And considering the Twins just traded away their starting shortstop it's probably a position that they would want in a Santana trade.
yanks have to match beckett ,,so they will get raped the most for him
Unless Mr. Hankey and Shallow Hal are willing to part with both Cano and Melky along with at least one of the Hughes/Joba/Kennedy trio...they can't match what the Sox can offer.
The Yanks don't have the position players in their system and thats what the Twins want most, more than pitching.
So looks like you'll have to be satisfied with lots of "A-Bombs from A-Rod" and no titles for the next decade.
Unless Mr. Hankey and Shallow Hal are willing to part with both Cano and Melky along with at least one of the Hughes/Joba/Kennedy trio...they can't match what the Sox can offer.
The Yanks don't have the position players in their system and thats what the Twins want most, more than pitching.
So looks like you'll have to be satisfied with lots of "A-Bombs from A-Rod" and no titles for the next decade.
those devil rays they traded for arent the centerfielders they need
its "for " arod not from
and ya need the next 3 decades straight to come close to em
Maybe, but the Sox do have one thing the Yanks can't offer right now - a major league ready shortstop. And considering the Twins just traded away their starting shortstop it's probably a position that they would want in a Santana trade.
centerfield my friend and coco isnt the answer they want especially at 11 mil per
centerfield my friend and coco isnt the answer they want especially at 11 mil per
So the Twins who emphasize defense and fundamentals above all else, which is part of the reason they didn't offer arbitration to Ortiz and how he became a Red Sox, are going to go with a butcher at shortstop - Brandon Phillips, who barely played shortstop in the minors and only played shortstop in Tampa because of injuries?
That doesn't fit their organizational model at all.
That would be like the New Jersey Devils giving up the trap to play a wide open Western Conference hockey style.
So the Twins who emphasize defense and fundamentals above all else, which is part of the reason they didn't offer arbitration to Ortiz and how he became a Red Sox, are going to go with a butcher at shortstop - Brandon Phillips, who barely played shortstop in the minors and only played shortstop in Tampa because of injuries?
That doesn't fit their organizational model at all.
That would be like the New Jersey Devils giving up the trap to play a wide open Western Conference hockey style.
Plus in what world is Coco making 11 million?
He's due 4 and a half or so next year.
actually the only reason u got ortiz was because some brain surgeon decided to get travis lee ..... biggest mistake the yanks made
butcher at short? butcher at centerfield? i mean they cant fill every hole at once
as for coco i have no idea about the numbers maybe 11 mil was the total left on contract? regardless they dont want him
actually the only reason u got ortiz was because some brain surgeon decided to get travis lee ..... biggest mistake the yanks made
butcher at short? butcher at centerfield? i mean they cant fill every hole at once
as for coco i have no idea about the numbers maybe 11 mil was the total left on contract? regardless they dont want him
That's why the Sox trade is more appealing. The Twins can easily afford the 4.5 million for Crisp's salary after having lost Hunter and Santana. Crisp is a better fielder than Cabrera though Cabrera has a much better arm and their offensive skills are similar. Both have below average OBP's and OPS's. The Sox are also offering a 2nd everyday player who can fill the Twins hole at shortstop and is their 2nd best hitting prospect and as well as their 2nd and 3rd best pitching prospects.
Now they just may be driving the price up for the Yanks, but their offer is better right now unless the Yankees offer a 2nd top flight pitching prospect or Cano which they have said they will not do.
The Twins are looking for players who can step right into the majors next year.
those devil rays they traded for arent the centerfielders they need
its "for " arod not from
and ya need the next 3 decades straight to come close to em
enjoy the winter meetings
2 more will match the recent Yanks. With Santana, the Sox should win 3 of the next 5.
If the Yanks don't land him, they'll be a first round exit till 2014 at best.
I love the thought of Santana playing for the Sox. The guys we're losing for him are expendable in this case. I hope they can sign him. We have the money and he's worth top dollar. Pull the trigger.
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I love the thought of Santana playing for the Sox. The guys we're losing for him are expendable in this case. I hope they can sign him. We have the money and he's worth top dollar. Pull the trigger.
True, and depending if we bring Manny back in 09, after 08 either 34 or 54 million comes off the payroll - more than enough to cover Santana's salary.
Also if the Sox do get Santana, they lost Crisp's salary and then have no need for Tavarez who'll they'll probably trade. When all is said and done adding Santana would only add 4 million to this year's payroll.
2 more will match the recent Yanks. With Santana, the Sox should win 3 of the next 5.
If the Yanks don't land him, they'll be a first round exit till 2014 at best.
can't we all just hate the National League like the old days?
watch it...i need you guys to get Santana so the Twins give up this year and trade Joe Nathan to them for a few of our propects (Gwynn/Hall at CF for Nathan and taking on his contract sounds about right).
watch it...i need you guys to get Santana so the Twins give up this year and trade Joe Nathan to them for a few of our propects (Gwynn/Hall at CF for Nathan and taking on his contract sounds about right).
if the twins trade santana to the red sox they will get a CF (either crisp or ellsbury) and they just got delmon young from the rays...why would they want gwynn and hall (i'm guessing you are talking about bill hall, super utility man)?
if the twins trade santana to the red sox they will get a CF (either crisp or ellsbury) and they just got delmon young from the rays...why would they want gwynn and hall (i'm guessing you are talking about bill hall, super utility man)?
yeah yeah i forgot to mention the brewers...the twins will have other needs which is why i mentioned super utility man (the kind that hits 30 HRs over the course of a season), or another young OF...what else will the twins need, b/c they will look to unload Nathan if they get rid of Santana.
I hope we don't get Santana, 6 yrs at 150 million is ridiculous. Let's jack the price up to screw the Yankees, then pull off a trade for Dan Haren. Haren had better numbers last year and we wouldn't have to give up as much.
yeah yeah i forgot to mention the brewers...the twins will have other needs which is why i mentioned super utility man (the kind that hits 30 HRs over the course of a season), or another young OF...what else will the twins need, b/c they will look to unload Nathan if they get rid of Santana.
You mean 30 National League home runs right? because there is a difference
You mean 30 National League home runs right? because there is a difference
30 NL homeruns is different b/c in the NL pitching numbers tend to be better and hitting numbers worse. You can't have it both ways that the AL Pitching AND Hitting is better...remember you have a glorified softball player in Ortiz playing an offensive spot known as Hitter.
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that is correct. 3 year extension was for 07, 08 and 09 with an option for 2010.
Not to mention keeping him from the Yankees.
Serious kudos to the front office and the farm system for that.
Then you pick up Manny's 2009 option, and probably 2010 cause if he produces like Manny, he'll be a bargain at $20 mil, and this team may exceed the Yankees of the mid-late 90's.
but agreed,... if the sox do get santana its just beyond lights out.
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yanks have to match beckett ,,so they will get raped the most for him
The Yanks might get Santana, but it's amazing that they now need to "keep up" with the Sox.
well yea u got beckett ,,best pitcher out there, so of course the yanks have to match that as best they can
sox are just driving up the price
Maybe, but the Sox do have one thing the Yanks can't offer right now - a major league ready shortstop. And considering the Twins just traded away their starting shortstop it's probably a position that they would want in a Santana trade.
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The Yanks don't have the position players in their system and thats what the Twins want most, more than pitching.
So looks like you'll have to be satisfied with lots of "A-Bombs from A-Rod" and no titles for the next decade.
those devil rays they traded for arent the centerfielders they need
its "for " arod not from
and ya need the next 3 decades straight to come close to em
enjoy the winter meetings
centerfield my friend and coco isnt the answer they want especially at 11 mil per
So the Twins who emphasize defense and fundamentals above all else, which is part of the reason they didn't offer arbitration to Ortiz and how he became a Red Sox, are going to go with a butcher at shortstop - Brandon Phillips, who barely played shortstop in the minors and only played shortstop in Tampa because of injuries?
That doesn't fit their organizational model at all.
That would be like the New Jersey Devils giving up the trap to play a wide open Western Conference hockey style.
Plus in what world is Coco making 11 million?
He's due 4 and a half or so next year.
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actually the only reason u got ortiz was because some brain surgeon decided to get travis lee ..... biggest mistake the yanks made
butcher at short? butcher at centerfield? i mean they cant fill every hole at once
as for coco i have no idea about the numbers maybe 11 mil was the total left on contract? regardless they dont want him
That's why the Sox trade is more appealing. The Twins can easily afford the 4.5 million for Crisp's salary after having lost Hunter and Santana. Crisp is a better fielder than Cabrera though Cabrera has a much better arm and their offensive skills are similar. Both have below average OBP's and OPS's. The Sox are also offering a 2nd everyday player who can fill the Twins hole at shortstop and is their 2nd best hitting prospect and as well as their 2nd and 3rd best pitching prospects.
Now they just may be driving the price up for the Yanks, but their offer is better right now unless the Yankees offer a 2nd top flight pitching prospect or Cano which they have said they will not do.
The Twins are looking for players who can step right into the majors next year.
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If the Yanks don't land him, they'll be a first round exit till 2014 at best.
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True, and depending if we bring Manny back in 09, after 08 either 34 or 54 million comes off the payroll - more than enough to cover Santana's salary.
Also if the Sox do get Santana, they lost Crisp's salary and then have no need for Tavarez who'll they'll probably trade. When all is said and done adding Santana would only add 4 million to this year's payroll.
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if the twins trade santana to the red sox they will get a CF (either crisp or ellsbury) and they just got delmon young from the rays...why would they want gwynn and hall (i'm guessing you are talking about bill hall, super utility man)?
You mean 30 National League home runs right? because there is a difference
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