If there is anything worse than a fan who roots for teams other than his home town teams, it's one who gives up after a week.
The Phils will be fine. They'll be what they were last year an 82-85 win team. And if they actually make a move or two they can get to the post season.
But at least while they're struggling I'm going to take advantage and hit a few games in some good seats while they're drawing only diehard fans.
good one, no sweat since i have papi on my fanstasy team this year
i am only reacting to the hysteria that i have had to deal with since they got freddy garcia, all i hear is that this team is loaded. i have been calling bs the whole time. and quite frankly i am pissed gillick didnt add some to this good young core. perhaps my blame should be focused on the ownership, though.
i love a handfull of these players, it is my favorite bunch in quite some time (its a shame that myers is such a dick).
i havent given up, i am just being realistic. unfortuntaely.
one positive, is that now i can justify getting the baseball package
you know what the bottom line is for me i guess, i am dissapointed that they have not stepped up and taken a shot with this great group of young players. anyone that knows baseball knows they had no shot with that bullpen, as well as key holes in the field. a young core comes along like this once a generation (especially around here, just ask the mets) and i want to take advantage of it. look at the previously mentioned Mets for example. they had a few GREAT young players ready to go to the next level, and they brought in the supporting cast.
And you give me crap for being a Steelers fan and an Eagles fan?
Wow, the truth finally comes out.
um, you live in south philly correct? :cool:
i am still a big eagles fan though, it is my #1 team in all of the sports without a doubt.
over the years i have also rooted for many long time losers with tradition. i have always rooted for the red sox and the cubs. i love the stadiums, and the tradition.
right here... but hard to get excited about a team who consistently fails to put the ball in play with runners on base. Hitting the ball is kind of a prerequisite for generating excitement in respect to baseball.
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right here... but hard to get excited about a team who consistently fails to put the ball in play with runners on base. Hitting the ball is kind of a prerequisite for generating excitement in respect to baseball.
i think winning games generates excitement. take the colorado rockies as an example. 10 runs a night and they are no fun to watch because they dont win
he phillies are a very flawed team right now IMO. too many strikeouts in the lineup. the problem with K's is that they dont move runners. fly ball and ground outs can move runners.
chrom, will you now agree that charlie is a terrible manager and should be fired? at least give me that? :cool:
the difference is, if the Phils put the ball in play they would win games.. last night runner on third TWICE in extra innings and no one can drive the run in...
as for Charlie, yes he has his shortcoming but I've yet to see how he's a terrible manager and the reason for this team losing... I agree that the strikeouts kill this team but these are the same players who had alot of strikeouts last year and were supposed to deliver this team from salvation... Charlie doesn't pick or sign the players, that's Gillick's job and in his defense he wasn't left with much to build with. Will Manuel be fired?? if this continues most likely he will, only because you can't fire players and firing a manager can sometimes spark a team.
I'm just waiting to see how long till Lieber is traded, since that seems the only logical reason to move him into the rotation.
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Their outfield is very weak as well as this pitching staff. I kept saying this before the season began wondering where all the hype was coming from. I mean yeah they have Howard, Utley and Rollins but those three alone cant carry the team.
i can't say i'm still excited but no way this team should be this bad. I think Manual is a brutally bad manager and should be fired asap. Do I think he is the reason they have been so bad - not entirely. Frankly, Utley and Howard are to blame. Those guys have been terrible this year. And I'm huge fans of theirs and don't usually rip starts - but these guys just can't hit in the clutch this year. It's killing this team. But Charlie's job is to motivate and get players to play as well as possible using any means, well his way is not working. It must be Howard Eskin's fault. At least Charlied has been 'growed' up for a long time.
You do realize that "Stand" Pat Gillick has never fired a manager mid season right?
So I think the Phils would still have to be doing terrible well into May before he even thinks about firing Manuel.
i am no fan of gillick. he knew damn well his bullpen was pathetic, and they did nothing to address it, so now they move their 27 year old opening day starter into the bullpen. what a fucking move that was?
and even if myers moves to the closers role (the only way they can justify this move) and is lights out. that leaves them with 3 guys that throw 85, eaton is a bum, and a 22 year old lefty that has never thrown 200 innings?
and, who the hell pitches next year? hamels and who? terrible fucking move!
the difference is, if the Phils put the ball in play they would win games.. last night runner on third TWICE in extra innings and no one can drive the run in...
as for Charlie, yes he has his shortcoming but I've yet to see how he's a terrible manager and the reason for this team losing... I agree that the strikeouts kill this team but these are the same players who had alot of strikeouts last year and were supposed to deliver this team from salvation... Charlie doesn't pick or sign the players, that's Gillick's job and in his defense he wasn't left with much to build with. Will Manuel be fired?? if this continues most likely he will, only because you can't fire players and firing a manager can sometimes spark a team.
I'm just waiting to see how long till Lieber is traded, since that seems the only logical reason to move him into the rotation.
there is no defending a manger that has not made the playoffs, and started 3-10, coupled with a loss to the nationals, prolly the worst team in the NL in at least 15 years
the manger is responsible for making sure his guys are ready to play, why else would you even have one?
there is no defending a manger that has not made the playoffs, and started 3-10, coupled with a loss to the nationals, prolly the worst team in the NL in at least 15 years
the manger is responsible for making sure his guys are ready to play, why else would you even have one?
so why wasn't Bowa fired earlier???
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plus he has nothing to do with the current situation.
chralie is a bad manager (why else would he get fired 1 year ag=fter making a worlkd series, and not getting a job for 10 years after that, because he is a bad manager.)
their really isnt much of a debate.
ps... i am not giving the players a free pass, they are responsible as well.
plus he has nothing to do with the current situation.
chralie is a bad manager (why else would he get fired 1 year ag=fter making a worlkd series, and not getting a job for 10 years after that, because he is a bad manager.)
their really isnt much of a debate.
ps... i am not giving the players a free pass, they are responsible as well.
I can't believe there are people who actually defend Charlie Manual. The guy is a terrible manager.
I'm not defending Charlie, just saying he isn't the cause of the team's terrible start.
He may not be the cause of it but he sure ain't helpin!
Oh, and Gillick has fired one manager mid-season....Jimy Williams in Toronto....and he is on the Phils staff....they were discussing that on ESPN radio yesterday.
He may not be the cause of it but he sure ain't helpin!
Oh, and Gillick has fired one manager mid-season....Jimy Williams in Toronto....and he is on the Phils staff....they were discussing that on ESPN radio yesterday.
As a Red Sox fan, you do not want Jimy Williams as manager.
He is clueless as a manager and makes curious pitching changes and starts random starting lineups.
And when the media calls him on it, he has one standard reply: "Manager's Decision."
i love this guy... some words from bill conlins article this morning...
"Do not fall into the trap of comparing this decision to the wildly successful bullpen transfers of established, premier starters Dennis Eckersley and John Smoltz. Eck is a Hall of Famer who finished even better than he started. Smoltz is back as the Braves' No. 1 starter after his overpowering turn as a closer.
This move was thrust on Myers in a blinding flash of panic. He is a pitching work in progress and we can only hope this knee-jerk spasm by a doomed manager is not career-altering."
i also like the editors note...
Editor's Note: When Bill Conlin began his annual April vacation, he said there were only two circumstances where he would consider interrupting it. One would be Ryan Howard being moved to shortstop. The other would be Opening Day starting pitcher Brett Myers being moved to the bullpen. Bill answered the phone on the second ring.
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good one, no sweat since i have papi on my fanstasy team this year
i am only reacting to the hysteria that i have had to deal with since they got freddy garcia, all i hear is that this team is loaded. i have been calling bs the whole time. and quite frankly i am pissed gillick didnt add some to this good young core. perhaps my blame should be focused on the ownership, though.
i love a handfull of these players, it is my favorite bunch in quite some time (its a shame that myers is such a dick).
i havent given up, i am just being realistic. unfortuntaely.
one positive, is that now i can justify getting the baseball package
you know what the bottom line is for me i guess, i am dissapointed that they have not stepped up and taken a shot with this great group of young players. anyone that knows baseball knows they had no shot with that bullpen, as well as key holes in the field. a young core comes along like this once a generation (especially around here, just ask the mets) and i want to take advantage of it. look at the previously mentioned Mets for example. they had a few GREAT young players ready to go to the next level, and they brought in the supporting cast.
And you give me crap for being a Steelers fan and an Eagles fan?
Wow, the truth finally comes out.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
um, you live in south philly correct? :cool:
i am still a big eagles fan though, it is my #1 team in all of the sports without a doubt.
over the years i have also rooted for many long time losers with tradition. i have always rooted for the red sox and the cubs. i love the stadiums, and the tradition.
and i have never hid the truth, you never asked
i am now thinking 90 losses. and i am officially boycotting until charlie is fired
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i think winning games generates excitement. take the colorado rockies as an example. 10 runs a night and they are no fun to watch because they dont win
he phillies are a very flawed team right now IMO. too many strikeouts in the lineup. the problem with K's is that they dont move runners. fly ball and ground outs can move runners.
chrom, will you now agree that charlie is a terrible manager and should be fired? at least give me that? :cool:
You do realize that "Stand" Pat Gillick has never fired a manager mid season right?
So I think the Phils would still have to be doing terrible well into May before he even thinks about firing Manuel.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
as for Charlie, yes he has his shortcoming but I've yet to see how he's a terrible manager and the reason for this team losing... I agree that the strikeouts kill this team but these are the same players who had alot of strikeouts last year and were supposed to deliver this team from salvation... Charlie doesn't pick or sign the players, that's Gillick's job and in his defense he wasn't left with much to build with. Will Manuel be fired?? if this continues most likely he will, only because you can't fire players and firing a manager can sometimes spark a team.
I'm just waiting to see how long till Lieber is traded, since that seems the only logical reason to move him into the rotation.
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i am no fan of gillick. he knew damn well his bullpen was pathetic, and they did nothing to address it, so now they move their 27 year old opening day starter into the bullpen. what a fucking move that was?
and even if myers moves to the closers role (the only way they can justify this move) and is lights out. that leaves them with 3 guys that throw 85, eaton is a bum, and a 22 year old lefty that has never thrown 200 innings?
and, who the hell pitches next year? hamels and who? terrible fucking move!
and Pat Gillick has never worked in Philly before either, charlie is gone by 5-1-07.
and i promise i will not watch one pitch until he is gone
there is no defending a manger that has not made the playoffs, and started 3-10, coupled with a loss to the nationals, prolly the worst team in the NL in at least 15 years
the manger is responsible for making sure his guys are ready to play, why else would you even have one?
so why wasn't Bowa fired earlier???
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i have never defended Bowa.
plus he has nothing to do with the current situation.
chralie is a bad manager (why else would he get fired 1 year ag=fter making a worlkd series, and not getting a job for 10 years after that, because he is a bad manager.)
their really isnt much of a debate.
ps... i am not giving the players a free pass, they are responsible as well.
I can't believe there are people who actually defend Charlie Manual. The guy is a terrible manager.
I'm not defending Charlie, just saying he isn't the cause of the team's terrible start.
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He may not be the cause of it but he sure ain't helpin!
Oh, and Gillick has fired one manager mid-season....Jimy Williams in Toronto....and he is on the Phils staff....they were discussing that on ESPN radio yesterday.
As a Red Sox fan, you do not want Jimy Williams as manager.
He is clueless as a manager and makes curious pitching changes and starts random starting lineups.
And when the media calls him on it, he has one standard reply: "Manager's Decision."
That didn't fly in Boston and won't in Philly.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
sounds familiar...
i know what your saying...it is up to the players to perform. and i agree, but i also agree that the manager gets a paycheck for a reason.
If you're going to change managers, bring someone who is actually good in.
Jimy Williams will get old fast. Plus he's NEVER won a division title as a manager.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
phil is up 4-0 in the 8th last i checked.
it figures one of my best pitchers fantasy wise gets sent to the bullpen, and the philly pitcher i sat is working on a shut out :rolleyes:
why have a closer if you're not going to use him.....
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Because he'll plunk a guy and give up a single to load the bases.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
yeah I take back my original argument... where's Vicente Padilla when you need him???
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winning 15 games for the texas rangers (more than any phillie last year)
i am in no way calling for jimmy williams.
i would obviously love joe girardi.
in house guys, i would take davey lopes, at least for now
"Do not fall into the trap of comparing this decision to the wildly successful bullpen transfers of established, premier starters Dennis Eckersley and John Smoltz. Eck is a Hall of Famer who finished even better than he started. Smoltz is back as the Braves' No. 1 starter after his overpowering turn as a closer.
This move was thrust on Myers in a blinding flash of panic. He is a pitching work in progress and we can only hope this knee-jerk spasm by a doomed manager is not career-altering."
i also like the editors note...
Editor's Note: When Bill Conlin began his annual April vacation, he said there were only two circumstances where he would consider interrupting it. One would be Ryan Howard being moved to shortstop. The other would be Opening Day starting pitcher Brett Myers being moved to the bullpen. Bill answered the phone on the second ring.
the rest of the article...
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/20070420_Bill_Conlin___What_if_theyd_moved_other_aces_to_pen_.html