one other thing---hey white sox fans, hows gavin floyd working out for ya?!?!? lol...i hear he has an 8 something era. thank GOD we dont have him competing for a spot in our rotation. pitching wins games and we got the best staff in the nl.
Garcia leaves with right bicep tightness
Righty departs after one inning, returns to Clearwater for exam
By Ken Mandel / MLB.com
DUNEDIN, Fla. -- Hours after the Phillies announced that Jon Lieber would pitch out of the bullpen to start the season, starter Freddy Garcia left Wednesday night's game against the Blue Jays with tightness in his right bicep after throwing 32 pitches.
Garcia, who was scheduled to throw 85 pitches, was traveling back to Clearwater to be examined by trainer Scott Sheridan. The club doesn't expect to have the results until Thursday morning.
Garcia allowed five hits and three runs in the first inning, including a two-run homer by Troy Glaus, and didn't come out for the second inning. The veteran right-hander was replaced by Fabio Castro.
Garcia was acquired at the Winter Meetings for Minor League starters Gavin Floyd and Gio Gonzalez and was expected to anchor the rotation. He's pitched at least 200 innings in seven of his eight seasons in the Major Leagues.
Garcia has had velocity concerns since Spring Training began, topping out at 88 mph. He left the field with Triple-A Ottawa trainer Shawn Fcasni following the first inning.
I don't like Utley hitting clean-up. They tried that for the first month last season and it didn't work out. The Phillies needed to add an extra bat in the offseason and didn't do it. They may be one of the only teams in the majors without a surefire run bigtime rbi man in the outfield. And no, I don't count Burrell because his numbers are always put up April-June.
Burrell looked better than Howard and Utley yesterday.....
did you watch the game?
he looked terrible. he had one blooper. he also stared at a few close picthes with 2 strikes. the rest of the time he was swinging and missing. and when he made contact it was right down the line. same old burrell.
I don't like Utley hitting clean-up. They tried that for the first month last season and it didn't work out. The Phillies needed to add an extra bat in the offseason and didn't do it. They may be one of the only teams in the majors without a surefire run bigtime rbi man in the outfield. And no, I don't count Burrell because his numbers are always put up April-June.
totally agree that the OF needs to be addressed. and they NEED a bat to hit 5th. until they do i love utley behind howard, for multiple reasons.
I don't like Utley hitting clean-up. They tried that for the first month last season and it didn't work out. The Phillies needed to add an extra bat in the offseason and didn't do it. They may be one of the only teams in the majors without a surefire run bigtime rbi man in the outfield. And no, I don't count Burrell because his numbers are always put up April-June.
we'll see what happens with that.. the Phils biggest problem is that they are a small ball club, they need to manufacture runs. Yet, they don't play like that and also don't have the team speed to achieve it. You're not going to be a solid team with one guaranteed 30 HR 100 RBI guy on your team.
And yes I watched the game, when Smoltz gets calls off the plate to start an AB it really changes a players approach. Is Burrell perfect.. no.. is he lost yet.. I don't think so. It's game one, still plenty more to go.
Howard 2 for 4 1 walk 2 SO 2 LOB
Utley 1 for 5 0 walks 6 LOB
Burrell 1 for 4 1 walk 2 SO 0 LOB
I'd say Burrell had as good of a game as the other two.
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The one thing I don't like about the Phils this season is that they're banking on Rollins, Utley and Howard to have the same year or better this year as they did last year.
Rollins had a career year with 25 homers and an OPS 60 points better than his career average. And Utley and Howard had tremendous years, but if any of the three slip, the Phils Offense will be nowhere as good as last year. They needed another high level / notch below an All Star bat in the lineup to pick up the slack in case there was any dropoff. They should have added a RF with power or a 3B. Their lack of doing so will hurt them this year.
i will not watch another fucking at bat until that dumb fuck bumpkin charlie manuel gets fired.
this is the worst bullpen i have ever seen
anybody that thinks this team has a shot is fucking crazy
I agree ole Charley needs to go. What a bumbling idiot. Bullpen must get fixed ASAP to have any hope. Getting fucking buried before it's even mid-fucking-april. disgraceful.
All I know is sitting in section 101 in the little triangle by the bullpen ought to be fun for awhile. I'm sure Philly fans will have very "creative" and "constructive" criticism for the bullpen at the home games this weekend.
I agree ole Charley needs to go. What a bumbling idiot. Bullpen must get fixed ASAP to have any hope. Getting fucking buried before it's even mid-fucking-april. disgraceful.
what does Manuel have to do with a shitty bullpen??? he doesn't sign the players plus if the Phils hit with runners on base, they wouldn't have to depend on the bullpen holding a 1 or 2 run lead.
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what does Manuel have to do with a shitty bullpen??? he doesn't sign the players plus if the Phils hit with runners on base, they wouldn't have to depend on the bullpen holding a 1 or 2 run lead.
never said ole Charley was the reason the bullpen sucked. Charley is a shitty manager and should be fired for a 1-6 start. They started 1-5 last year as well. Charley sucks period.
never said ole Charley was the reason the bullpen sucked. Charley is a shitty manager and should be fired for a 1-6 start. They started 1-5 last year as well. Charley sucks period.
They had terrible starts when Bowa was manager.. ohh but he's a god in this town.... ever think it's the players and not the manager???
This team can't perform in the clutch and seem to need the Tom Emanski baseball fundamentals videos http://www.tom-emanski-baseball-videos.com/ Plus, the GM still hasn't delivered on his statement to get bullpen help which the manager has been asking for since the middle of last season. Before we hang Manuel out to dry, let's take a closer look at this team...
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They had terrible starts when Bowa was manager.. ohh but he's a god in this town.... ever think it's the players and not the manager???
This team can't perform in the clutch and seem to need the Tom Emanski baseball fundamentals videos http://www.tom-emanski-baseball-videos.com/ Plus, the GM still hasn't delivered on his statement to get bullpen which the manager has been asking for since the middle of last season. Before we hang Manuel out to dry, let's take a closer look at this team...
after all, the Tom Emanski video has produced back to back to back AAU champions.
the pitching staff has been the Phils' problem for the last 3 or 4 years. it's not the managers. there's no denying that they have a strong line-up. but they have no true ace, a bullpen full of retards, and their closer is Flash Gordon. how can that compete with the Mets and Braves? it can't....as evidenced by 13 straight years without a postseason appearance.
Say a prayer for the wild card cause you biatches ain't getting the division.
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They had terrible starts when Bowa was manager.. ohh but he's a god in this town.... ever think it's the players and not the manager???
This team can't perform in the clutch and seem to need the Tom Emanski baseball fundamentals videos http://www.tom-emanski-baseball-videos.com/ Plus, the GM still hasn't delivered on his statement to get bullpen help which the manager has been asking for since the middle of last season. Before we hang Manuel out to dry, let's take a closer look at this team...
Remember Charley was the one who batted Ryan Howard 6th and 7th last year. He did not start hitting 4th regularly until July. I imagine they might have won 4 or 5 more games with the FUCKING MVP hitting 4th all year. Oh and 4 or 5 more wins puts them in the playoffs.
this team is at least 5 players away from having a CHANCE.
they currently have 5 good players, these 5 players also happen to be young which is good for the future.
but the other 20 players are almost all BELOW AVERAGE. this includes Freddy Garcia because of the early arm problems.
they have WAY too many strikeouts in the lineup, leading the league in LOB last year, and have already LOB approx 60 in 7 games. and of course, the bullpen is the worst possible collection of stiffs. this is clearly Pat Gillicks fault.
and i do believe it is the managers job to have his team ready to play, which he cant seem to do the last few years. he mismanages the game, the bullpen, and the lineup. and he obviously is not a great motivator. now granted, pro players really shouldnt need that, but they are human, and it cant hurt to have a good manager that isnt a fucking bumpkin that can barely speak english.
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Pitchers
57 Antonio Alfonseca--- below average (the extra fingers didnt help)
55 Clay Condrey--- below average
23 Adam Eaton--- below average
56 Geoff Geary--- below average
45 Tom Gordon--- average...shaky as hell, better suited to set up at age 40
35 Cole Hamels--- STUD (never pitched 200 innings)
21 Jon Lieber--- below average
63 Ryan Madson--- average middle relief at best
50 Jamie Moyer --- average (but he is 45)
39 Brett Myers --- STUD (still a piece of shit)
54 Francisco Rosario --- below average
40 Matt Smith--- below average (only lefty in bullpen, WOW!)
Catchers
2 Rod Barajas---- below average
51 Carlos Ruiz --- below average (not the saviour, get over it)
Infielders
19 Greg Dobbs --- below average
18 Wes Helms --- below average (killing the team at 3B defensively)
6 Ryan Howard --- STUD (worst defensive 1B in national league)
3 Abraham Nunez --- below average
11 Jimmy Rollins --- STUD (top 5 SS in baseball)
26 Chase Utley --- STUD (best 2B in baseball)
Outfielders
9 Michael Bourn--- below average
5 Pat Burrell--- below average
33 Aaron Rowand --- average (all D, no bat...plus he is slower than people think)
8 Shane Victorino--- below average
28 Jayson Werth ---below average
Remember Charley was the one who batted Ryan Howard 6th and 7th last year. He did not start hitting 4th regularly until July. I imagine they might have won 4 or 5 more games with the FUCKING MVP hitting 4th all year. Oh and 4 or 5 more wins puts them in the playoffs.
they might have won 4 or 5 more games if they had any type of bullpen last year.
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Didn't Jimmy Rollins say that the Phillies were the team to beat this season? Well, looks like everybody else is taking his advice and beating the Phillies.
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Remember Charley was the one who batted Ryan Howard 6th and 7th last year. He did not start hitting 4th regularly until July. I imagine they might have won 4 or 5 more games with the FUCKING MVP hitting 4th all year. Oh and 4 or 5 more wins puts them in the playoffs.
ifs ands buts
woulda coulda shoulda
they knew what they were playing for in the last week of the season and COULDNT get it done, just like the 6ers, flyers, and eagles.
the mets will have the division wrapped up by june 1st. even if the phils get hot they have no chance as the roster currently stands.
If there is anything worse than a fan who roots for teams other than his home town teams, it's one who gives up after a week.
The Phils will be fine. They'll be what they were last year an 82-85 win team. And if they actually make a move or two they can get to the post season.
But at least while they're struggling I'm going to take advantage and hit a few games in some good seats while they're drawing only diehard fans.
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Garcia leaves with right bicep tightness
Righty departs after one inning, returns to Clearwater for exam
By Ken Mandel / MLB.com
DUNEDIN, Fla. -- Hours after the Phillies announced that Jon Lieber would pitch out of the bullpen to start the season, starter Freddy Garcia left Wednesday night's game against the Blue Jays with tightness in his right bicep after throwing 32 pitches.
Garcia, who was scheduled to throw 85 pitches, was traveling back to Clearwater to be examined by trainer Scott Sheridan. The club doesn't expect to have the results until Thursday morning.
Garcia allowed five hits and three runs in the first inning, including a two-run homer by Troy Glaus, and didn't come out for the second inning. The veteran right-hander was replaced by Fabio Castro.
Garcia was acquired at the Winter Meetings for Minor League starters Gavin Floyd and Gio Gonzalez and was expected to anchor the rotation. He's pitched at least 200 innings in seven of his eight seasons in the Major Leagues.
Garcia has had velocity concerns since Spring Training began, topping out at 88 mph. He left the field with Triple-A Ottawa trainer Shawn Fcasni following the first inning.
but i do like what i saw out of Myers (piece of shit that he is)
and i have been screaming all spring training to hit howard 3rd. thank god charlie got that one right, Burrell is a pig.
Burrell looked better than Howard and Utley yesterday.....
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- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
did you watch the game?
he looked terrible. he had one blooper. he also stared at a few close picthes with 2 strikes. the rest of the time he was swinging and missing. and when he made contact it was right down the line. same old burrell.
he is a lost cause.
totally agree that the OF needs to be addressed. and they NEED a bat to hit 5th. until they do i love utley behind howard, for multiple reasons.
we'll see what happens with that.. the Phils biggest problem is that they are a small ball club, they need to manufacture runs. Yet, they don't play like that and also don't have the team speed to achieve it. You're not going to be a solid team with one guaranteed 30 HR 100 RBI guy on your team.
And yes I watched the game, when Smoltz gets calls off the plate to start an AB it really changes a players approach. Is Burrell perfect.. no.. is he lost yet.. I don't think so. It's game one, still plenty more to go.
Howard 2 for 4 1 walk 2 SO 2 LOB
Utley 1 for 5 0 walks 6 LOB
Burrell 1 for 4 1 walk 2 SO 0 LOB
I'd say Burrell had as good of a game as the other two.
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Rollins had a career year with 25 homers and an OPS 60 points better than his career average. And Utley and Howard had tremendous years, but if any of the three slip, the Phils Offense will be nowhere as good as last year. They needed another high level / notch below an All Star bat in the lineup to pick up the slack in case there was any dropoff. They should have added a RF with power or a 3B. Their lack of doing so will hurt them this year.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
i will not watch another fucking at bat until that dumb fuck bumpkin charlie manuel gets fired.
this is the worst bullpen i have ever seen
anybody that thinks this team has a shot is fucking crazy
I agree ole Charley needs to go. What a bumbling idiot. Bullpen must get fixed ASAP to have any hope. Getting fucking buried before it's even mid-fucking-april. disgraceful.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
what does Manuel have to do with a shitty bullpen??? he doesn't sign the players plus if the Phils hit with runners on base, they wouldn't have to depend on the bullpen holding a 1 or 2 run lead.
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never said ole Charley was the reason the bullpen sucked. Charley is a shitty manager and should be fired for a 1-6 start. They started 1-5 last year as well. Charley sucks period.
They had terrible starts when Bowa was manager.. ohh but he's a god in this town.... ever think it's the players and not the manager???
This team can't perform in the clutch and seem to need the Tom Emanski baseball fundamentals videos http://www.tom-emanski-baseball-videos.com/ Plus, the GM still hasn't delivered on his statement to get bullpen help which the manager has been asking for since the middle of last season. Before we hang Manuel out to dry, let's take a closer look at this team...
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after all, the Tom Emanski video has produced back to back to back AAU champions.
the pitching staff has been the Phils' problem for the last 3 or 4 years. it's not the managers. there's no denying that they have a strong line-up. but they have no true ace, a bullpen full of retards, and their closer is Flash Gordon. how can that compete with the Mets and Braves? it can't....as evidenced by 13 straight years without a postseason appearance.
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Remember Charley was the one who batted Ryan Howard 6th and 7th last year. He did not start hitting 4th regularly until July. I imagine they might have won 4 or 5 more games with the FUCKING MVP hitting 4th all year. Oh and 4 or 5 more wins puts them in the playoffs.
they currently have 5 good players, these 5 players also happen to be young which is good for the future.
but the other 20 players are almost all BELOW AVERAGE. this includes Freddy Garcia because of the early arm problems.
they have WAY too many strikeouts in the lineup, leading the league in LOB last year, and have already LOB approx 60 in 7 games. and of course, the bullpen is the worst possible collection of stiffs. this is clearly Pat Gillicks fault.
and i do believe it is the managers job to have his team ready to play, which he cant seem to do the last few years. he mismanages the game, the bullpen, and the lineup. and he obviously is not a great motivator. now granted, pro players really shouldnt need that, but they are human, and it cant hurt to have a good manager that isnt a fucking bumpkin that can barely speak english.
Active Roster
Pitchers
57 Antonio Alfonseca--- below average (the extra fingers didnt help)
55 Clay Condrey--- below average
23 Adam Eaton--- below average
56 Geoff Geary--- below average
45 Tom Gordon--- average...shaky as hell, better suited to set up at age 40
35 Cole Hamels--- STUD (never pitched 200 innings)
21 Jon Lieber--- below average
63 Ryan Madson--- average middle relief at best
50 Jamie Moyer --- average (but he is 45)
39 Brett Myers --- STUD (still a piece of shit)
54 Francisco Rosario --- below average
40 Matt Smith--- below average (only lefty in bullpen, WOW!)
Catchers
2 Rod Barajas---- below average
51 Carlos Ruiz --- below average (not the saviour, get over it)
Infielders
19 Greg Dobbs --- below average
18 Wes Helms --- below average (killing the team at 3B defensively)
6 Ryan Howard --- STUD (worst defensive 1B in national league)
3 Abraham Nunez --- below average
11 Jimmy Rollins --- STUD (top 5 SS in baseball)
26 Chase Utley --- STUD (best 2B in baseball)
Outfielders
9 Michael Bourn--- below average
5 Pat Burrell--- below average
33 Aaron Rowand --- average (all D, no bat...plus he is slower than people think)
8 Shane Victorino--- below average
28 Jayson Werth ---below average
they might have won 4 or 5 more games if they had any type of bullpen last year.
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p.s. w/ that bullpen ,, this team is goona be the biggest disappointment
very overhyped
sorry, i'm a girl. i'll let you boys get back to your serious baseball talk...
lol...all the girlies like Chase now, Burrell is old news
amen, the sad part is last years bunch of hacks is even better than this years collection of stiffs
the phils are going to go on a tear over the summer, just watch.
Brave to try to gamble at times
woulda coulda shoulda
they knew what they were playing for in the last week of the season and COULDNT get it done, just like the 6ers, flyers, and eagles.
the mets will have the division wrapped up by june 1st. even if the phils get hot they have no chance as the roster currently stands.
If there is anything worse than a fan who roots for teams other than his home town teams, it's one who gives up after a week.
The Phils will be fine. They'll be what they were last year an 82-85 win team. And if they actually make a move or two they can get to the post season.
But at least while they're struggling I'm going to take advantage and hit a few games in some good seats while they're drawing only diehard fans.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13