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  • AstroFanAstroFan Posts: 193
    rhinomagic wrote:
    Are the Mets REALLY interested in these third basemen (Rodriguez, Cabrera) or is it a smokescreen by management to lure better pitching or other players?

    I can't for the life of me come up with a reason why they should consider moving Wright from third.

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    Wright isn't the kind of 3B that you desperately try to keep at that position. He is serviceable on D, but most of his value comes from his offense. Putting ARod at 3B and Wright at 1B(and exiling Delgado to the bench or somewhere else) will obviously improve their offense, and possibly their defense as well.
  • rhinomagicrhinomagic Charlottesville, VA Posts: 2,552
    AstroFan wrote:
    Wright isn't the kind of 3B that you desperately try to keep at that position. He is serviceable on D, but most of his value comes from his offense. Putting ARod at 3B and Wright at 1B(and exiling Delgado to the bench or somewhere else) will obviously improve their offense, and possibly their defense as well.


    But don't you put yourself in a better defensive position with a left-handed 1B (as a general rule)? That wouldn't be Wright, though he'd be quicker and younger than Delgado.

    Is Wright spry and savvy enough to move to 2B? As FH noted, his defense isn't terrible. But I wonder--if the team is pursuing another 3B--where they think he can/should play in the field.

    The OF is going to be crowded for at least another year, since Alou's option got picked up. I don't think there's room for Wright out there unless they're going to trade OFs for pitching or an infield position.

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  • yosi1yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    Alright, enough of this ARod nonsense. I sure as hell hope we don't pick him up. He's not what we need. We have great shortstop and third basemen. Wright and Reyes are the core of this team, we need to build around them. I think it would be much better to spend on pitching than on ARod. Or to spend on a catcher, or 2nd baseman.

    I want to see a trade for Bedard. I think that's much more affordable than Santana, and the guy is terrific. We need to land ourselves a number 1 starter, and some bullpen help.

    Not ARod.
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  • rhinomagicrhinomagic Charlottesville, VA Posts: 2,552
    yosi wrote:

    I want to see a trade for Bedard. I think that's much more affordable than Santana, and the guy is terrific. We need to land ourselves a number 1 starter, and some bullpen help.

    ...a #1 starter, a #5 starter, a second baseman, a catcher, bullpen help...

    Yeah, there's a lot of work to be done by the Front Office this off-season.

    I suppose that with '08 being Pedro's contract year, the Mets will find out if giving him that fourth year was as ridiculous as most people thought it was at the time. Of course, last year's shoulder surgery and 9-month rehab points to the fact it was a bonehead move.

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  • yosi1yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    rhinomagic wrote:
    ...a #1 starter, a #5 starter, a second baseman, a catcher, bullpen help...

    Yeah, there's a lot of work to be done by the Front Office this off-season.

    I suppose that with '08 being Pedro's contract year, the Mets will find out if giving him that fourth year was as ridiculous as most people thought it was at the time. Of course, last year's shoulder surgery and 9-month rehab points to the fact it was a bonehead move.

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    Yea. I know its earlier, and free agency has only been one day so far, but I am just itching, and totally agitated that we haven't made any real moves yet. I need some reassurance that this team is going to get the help it needs. I get the feeling we're not going to sign Torrealba and Lo Duca will sign elsewhere. If that is the case, then we're fucked.
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  • rhinomagicrhinomagic Charlottesville, VA Posts: 2,552
    yosi wrote:
    Yea. I know its earlier, and free agency has only been one day so far, but I am just itching, and totally agitated that we haven't made any real moves yet. I need some reassurance that this team is going to get the help it needs. I get the feeling we're not going to sign Torrealba and Lo Duca will sign elsewhere. If that is the case, then we're fucked.

    You don't think Castro can handle the load of catching 125 games a year? I'd like his bat in the lineup more often, but I'd rather have someone else's glove in the game.

    Kevin Cash from the Red Sox declared for free agency ;) Maybe the Mets have a shot at his services as catcher...

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  • I think Castro would be exposed very quickly if he played everyday. He serves very well as the backup, who hits once or twice a week. if teams focused on him, scouted him as the everyday catcher, they would very quickly find the many holes in his swing. At this point, the Mets have zero chance of signing or trading for an offensive catcher, and should just focus on signing the best defensive catcher, one who works well with pitcher and can throw out basestealers. In this underwhelming market, the best offensive catcher is....Mike Piazza. That says more about the free agent/trade market than it does about Mike Piazza
  • Torrealba is official. 3 years $15 million. That's a lot for a guy who can't hit a lick. Outside of coors this year, he hit .212 with 2 HR's and 13 RBI's. There are a few pitchers who could hit better than that over 80 games
  • rhinomagicrhinomagic Charlottesville, VA Posts: 2,552
    Torrealba is official. 3 years $15 million. That's a lot for a guy who can't hit a lick. Outside of coors this year, he hit .212 with 2 HR's and 13 RBI's. There are a few pitchers who could hit better than that over 80 games

    Do you have a link? The article I just read says they're close but not signed.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/11/15/mets.torrealba.ap/index.html

    I never liked the fact that Willie batted PLD so high in the order. I thought that you could put several different batters in between Reyes and Beltran and get the same results.

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  • you're right. Yesterday it was reported as official. Today it's being reported that Colorado has upped their offer

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spmets155461794nov15,0,7222938.story

    The Mets have decided on Yorvit Torrealba to replace Paul Lo Duca as their catcher for next season and beyond. Now it's a matter of whether Torrealba will choose them.

    Torrealba is now holding three-year offers from both the Mets and Rockies, according to a National League official familiar with the situation, and will probably choose a team as early as today.

    ETA: todays print version of Newsday says it is official, but the website says it is close.
  • rhinomagicrhinomagic Charlottesville, VA Posts: 2,552
    Talks with Torrealba have ended:

    http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071117&content_id=2302642&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym

    Same site reports that the team has interest in David Eckstein. I guess they're considering 2B now that the deal for a catcher has fallen through.

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  • yosi1yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    rhinomagic wrote:
    Talks with Torrealba have ended:

    http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071117&content_id=2302642&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym

    Same site reports that the team has interest in David Eckstein. I guess they're considering 2B now that the deal for a catcher has fallen through.

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    Yea I saw both of those. Not sure what to think. Do the Mets go after Lo Duca now, would he even sign with us? I'd hate to have to trade for a catcher. Also, I think I'd rather sign Louis Castillo to play second then David Eckstein.

    This offseason is certainly not shaping up how I would have liked.
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  • rhinomagicrhinomagic Charlottesville, VA Posts: 2,552
    yosi wrote:
    Also, I think I'd rather sign Luis Castillo to play second then David Eckstein.

    You want it? You got it. And a four-year deal, at that...

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/11/19/castillo.mets.ap/index.html

    http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071119&content_id=2303407&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym

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  • rhinomagicrhinomagic Charlottesville, VA Posts: 2,552
    Now WHO am I going to scream at and curse the day he was born? Omar just took some of the joy/misery out of being a Mets fan. But I'm glad the fucker is gone.

    http://www.metsgeek.com/articles/2007/11/20/mota-exorcism-and-joy-thread/
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/11/20/bc.bbn.brewers.metstrad.ap/index.html

    Can't believe no one has posted on this yet...

    Good riddance Mota and welcome Johnny Estrada.

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  • yosi1yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    rhinomagic wrote:

    Yea, I may have spoken to soon on that one. I'm happy to have Castillo back, but for 4 years... Oh boy... 2 would have been ok...

    And about Mota for Estrada. I say thank goodness. That fucker was terrible. And now we don't have to worry about our catching situation, and can finally GET SOME PITCHING!
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  • The ChampThe Champ Posts: 4,063
    yosi wrote:
    Yea, I may have spoken to soon on that one. I'm happy to have Castillo back, but for 4 years... Oh boy... 2 would have been ok...

    And about Mota for Estrada. I say thank goodness. That fucker was terrible. And now we don't have to worry about our catching situation, and can finally GET SOME PITCHING!

    Thank God Mota is fucking gone!!
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  • I think this is a great deal for the Mets. It's one of thoes deals that's almost to good to be true. Why would Milwaukee dump a catcher for one of the worst pitchers in baseball? I heard estrada has an attitude issue, and that he got into a scrap with manager Ned Yost. Then I read in today's Post that Estrada is arbitration eligible, and that the Mets may just let him become a free agent. That seems like a longshot, but why would you trade for a guy, then let him walk without playing a game? This shapes up as one of the weirdest trades I can remember. That said, I think it could pan out for the Mets. maybe not long term, but Estrada could put in a very solid offensive year for the Mets, provided he recovers from offseason knee and elbow surgery.

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/11212007/sports/mets/mota_motive_134133.htm

    The 31-year-old Estrada hit .278 with 10 homers and 54 RBIs last season, playing 120 games behind the plate for Milwaukee, but is not necessarily the answer to the Mets' starting catching vacancy. Estrada is arbitration eligible in January, and a team source indicated it's possible the Mets will simply allow him to become a free agent.
  • AstroFanAstroFan Posts: 193
    That seems like a longshot, but why would you trade for a guy, then let him walk without playing a game? This shapes up as one of the weirdest trades I can remember.

    Yeah it does seem a bit weird, but they got rid of Mota in the process. He would be a waste of 3 million or so in 2008, as well as wasting a roster spot ;)

    I believe the Twins and another team(Tigers?) have been involved in a similar trade this offseason. The Twins acquired a player who could make 4-5 mill in arbitration for a PTBNL, but the conditions were that if the Twins could not get the player to agree to take less money than his estimated arbitration cost, they would not have to send the PTBNL to the other team.
  • then why didn't the mets just take back some low level prospect, an A or AA ball player? I guess it was a salary dump on both ends.
  • AstroFanAstroFan Posts: 193
    then why didn't the mets just take back some low level prospect, an A or AA ball player? I guess it was a salary dump on both ends.

    More options at catcher incase they can't find a more suitable replacement in free agency?
  • I guess. Who knows, it could be just a BS rumor that they might not offer him arbitration. Estrada isn't too bad though. he must have either:

    had a major, non-fixable attitude problem
    be much worse defensively than I was aware of
    Not be expected to be ready for Opening Day based on his 2 surgeries (which seemed like minor surgeries)

    or the Brewers have a minor leaguer ready to step up. Because Mota for Estrada is a steal in the mets favor, I believe

    Check it out, A Yankee fan and an Astro fan hashing out a Met trade. Boy, Met fans must really be in hiding with Willie after the collapse. (See this past Sunday's Daily News for details) Not even Glavine headed back to Atlanta mentioned in here. That should be a fun day at Shea, when he takes the hill as a Bravo. It will be tough, but maybe he can throw a better game than his last as a Met....
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  • yosi1yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2007/11/28/2007-11-28_watch_out_yankees_mets_ready_to_make_pit-1.html?page=1

    Honestly, if the Mets trade Reyes I'm going to have trouble rooting for them. Especially as long as Omar is managing. I would love to get Santana, or some other front line pitcher, but seriously, do not trade Reyes.
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  • rhinomagicrhinomagic Charlottesville, VA Posts: 2,552
    yosi wrote:
    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2007/11/28/2007-11-28_watch_out_yankees_mets_ready_to_make_pit-1.html?page=1

    Honestly, if the Mets trade Reyes I'm going to have trouble rooting for them. Especially as long as Omar is managing. I would love to get Santana, or some other front line pitcher, but seriously, do not trade Reyes.

    I don't buy it. There are pitchers nearly as good as Santana (who lead the league in HR allowed last year; http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/HRA_leagues.shtml) who can be had for less than Reyes.

    Personally, I'm hoping for Bedard or Haren moreso than Santana. And I don't expect the Mets to trade an everyday player from the 2007 team to get that pitching help...OK, maybe I hope Delgado or Green gets traded. But keep the rest of them.

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  • yosi1yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    rhinomagic wrote:
    I don't buy it. There are pitchers nearly as good as Santana (who lead the league in HR allowed last year; http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/HRA_leagues.shtml) who can be had for less than Reyes.

    Personally, I'm hoping for Bedard or Haren moreso than Santana. And I don't expect the Mets to trade an everyday player from the 2007 team to get that pitching help...OK, maybe I hope Delgado or Green gets traded. But keep the rest of them.

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    I definitely agree with you. I would also much rather Bedard or Haren, because they can be acquired for less, and would be much cheaper. It would be something for the Mets to trade Green considering he's a free agent. :p
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  • PJSerfPJSerf Posts: 637
    http://www.the700level.com/2007/11/wagners-already.html

    Looks like Billy Wagner is already unhappy with the Mets this year. Thank god he is no longer the Phillies' problem to deal with.
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  • yosi1yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    PJSerf wrote:
    http://www.the700level.com/2007/11/wagners-already.html

    Looks like Billy Wagner is already unhappy with the Mets this year. Thank god he is no longer the Phillies' problem to deal with.

    He is rightfully upset. And I for one am glad he said something.
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  • xavier mcdanielxavier mcdaniel Somewhere in NYC Posts: 9,320
    and the mets make a major move for the bullpen...

    they acquired brian stokes, who allowed 49 runs and 90 hits in 62 1/3 innings last year for tampa bay.
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  • rhinomagicrhinomagic Charlottesville, VA Posts: 2,552
    yosi wrote:
    I definitely agree with you. I would also much rather Bedard or Haren, because they can be acquired for less, and would be much cheaper. It would be something for the Mets to trade Green considering he's a free agent. :p

    Oops.

    At least he's gone, either way.
    and the mets make a major move for the bullpen...

    they acquired brian stokes, who allowed 49 runs and 90 hits in 62 1/3 innings last year for tampa bay.

    Brian Stokes? I suppose he will fill the need for middle relief. Could he be the new Mota? :D

    Let's get on with the starting pitching, Omar!

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