the 2007 new york mets

rhinomagic

Back in action against the Bucs tonight @ Shea. Time for a big-time homestand after a successful Left Coast Swing.

Hope the Braves will lose a few out west while the Amazins take care of business at home against some teams that should be a little bit easier to beat than most.

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PJSerf

here's hoping the pirates can win a few games, and the phils continue to win off of their 3 straight against the padres. Who needs pitching when you have an offense that is this hot.

the NL is so weak, everyone will be in it through september.

rhinomagic

PJSerf wrote:

the NL is so weak, everyone will be in it through september.

That's a poor assessment.

Nobody really expects the Giants, Rockies, Reds, Nationals, Pirates, Astros, or the Marlins to have any shot at the playoffs this year. There are, however, eight or nine NL teams that still have a decent shot at a spot in the postseason.

League power is cyclical. In the 60s and 80s, the National League was dominant. The last ten years or so, the American League has had the better collection of teams.

But this is the Mets' thread, so let's get back on topic. I think the Pirates stand a good chance of getting swept this week and Tom Glavine should notch win #299 @ Shea on Wednesday.

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PJSerf

rhinomagic wrote:

That's a poor assessment.

Nobody really expects the Giants, Rockies, Reds, Nationals, Pirates, Astros, or the Marlins to have any shot at the playoffs this year. There are, however, eight or nine NL teams that still have a decent shot at a spot in the postseason.

League power is cyclical. In the 60s and 80s, the National League was dominant. The last ten years or so, the American League has had the better collection of teams.

But this is the Mets' thread, so let's get back on topic. I think the Pirates stand a good chance of getting swept this week and Tom Glavine should notch win #299 @ Shea on Wednesday.

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Rockies are only 4 games in the loss column (the one that matters) out of a the wild card, and the Marlins only 6 games. I would consider both of those teams to be in the mix. Is it likely that either will win the wild card, no, but it is very feasible. That's 11 out of 16 teams in the mix. Sorry for my overall generalization that the NL is weak.

Mets & Phils again have the same schedule the next few weeks (PIT, WSH, MIL, & CHC). Last week both went 4-3 against SD & LA. PIT & WSH are both junk, and both the Mets & Phils are capable of sweeping both those series. The Mets however did go 3-3 against the Nats in the 1st half of the year, and the Phils were just 3-2 against them. There is no domination in the NL at all. That's what keeps a Phillies fan like me interested, believe me, I know my team can't compete with the AL, but we have as good a shot as anybody in the NL.

I agree that there are league swings, but I also think that the AL game and the NL game are two different styles of baseball, caused mainly by the DH, but that is an entirely different topic.

I apologize for jumping off topic. Just enjoy talking baseball.

rhinomagic

Alright, Tom Glavine. Here's your chance to take one more step towards the Hall of Fame. Get win #299 and set yourself for a huge start next week.

Did anyone see where Randy Johnson may be close to hanging it up?:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/07/24/johnson.dbacks.ap/index.html

If he does, Glavine's pursuit of 300 wins becomes even more significant. Another reason to go out and dominate the Pirates tonight. Just get through the fifth inning, Tom. That's all you have to do...

Let's Go Mets!

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Yellow Bedwetter

go mets
go glavine

yosi1

rhinomagic wrote:

Alright, Tom Glavine. Here's your chance to take one more step towards the Hall of Fame. Get win #299 and set yourself for a huge start next week.

Did anyone see where Randy Johnson may be close to hanging it up?:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/07/24/johnson.dbacks.ap/index.html

If he does, Glavine's pursuit of 300 wins becomes even more significant. Another reason to go out and dominate the Pirates tonight. Just get through the fifth inning, Tom. That's all you have to do...

Let's Go Mets!

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I sure hope he can get it done tonight, I'm gonna be there!

Gary Carter

1 more to go for tommy, god i i never thought he do it in mets jersey, but hey its fucking awesome that he is. dam lastings is on fire, good for hi.im starting to like him

rhinomagic

metsfan531941 wrote:

1 more to go for tommy, god i i never thought he do it in mets jersey, but hey its fucking awesome that he is. dam lastings is on fire, good for hi.im starting to like him

Maybe Milledge feels the pressure of having healthy OFs returning to the Mets pretty soon. Figures he'd better give the club a reason to consider not sending him back down to New Orleans. Can he play 2B?

Way to go, Tom Glavine! It's going to be sweet having him reach this milestone in a Mets jersey. With lots of guys around the league passing 3000 hits, 300 wins, 500 HR, and other career milestones, it's great to finally have one happening for the good guys.

Get out the brooms! Ollie is on the hill, going for the sweep.

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Gary Carter

rhinomagic wrote:

Maybe Milledge feels the pressure of having healthy OFs returning to the Mets pretty soon. Figures he'd better give the club a reason to consider not sending him back down to New Orleans. Can he play 2B?

i agree, ya know putting him a 2nd base wouldnt be so bad, then we can finally have a real #2 hitter.gotay is better coming off the bench. i know this sounds really fucking crazy and its a pipe dream, but id really love to see piazza come back to the mets.so much for the sweep, man did our defense suck today.

rhinomagic

metsfan531941 wrote:

i agree, ya know putting him a 2nd base wouldnt be so bad, then we can finally have a real #2 hitter.gotay is better coming off the bench. i know this sounds really fucking crazy and its a pipe dream, but id really love to see piazza come back to the mets.so much for the sweep, man did our defense suck today.

4-3 against the Pirates and Nationals is not exactly what I had hoped for going into last week. The Mets stumble around for a few games and--all of a sudden--the Phllies are ahead of the Braves. Not scary, just fact that the Mets haven't put a fully-healthy lineup 1-8 and a fully-healthy starting pitching rotation together all year.

love, Love, LOVE the Luis Castillo trade. He cost almost nothing, and Gotay is serviceable if Castillo doesn't make for a good fix. Gotay's bat is great coming off the bench, but Castillo's glove alone makes him worthy of starting.

I was mostly joking about Milledge @ 2B (he, Gomez, Beltran are Omar's OF of the next several years), but it has been nice to see Lastings making the most of his stay with the club this summer. He has found a way to flourish in the two-hole (influenced by Rickey?), although that spot in the batting order seems to be Castillo's for the taking right now.

Good news on the Pedro front. He's going to start tomorrow night in Port St. Lucie, throwing a max of 3 innings/45 pitches. His quotes are optimistic and I think he WILL aid the Mets' stretch run in September...Also, Endy Chavez, Moises Alou, Carlos Gomez (and Beltran, apparently) are still out there in Disabled List Land. This team could be really great if they can stop getting hurt.

Mets are out of the Gagne talks. Focusing on Cordero now. As long as they don't have to give up Gomez, Milledge, F-Mart, or Humber, I think they do it. Omar isn't going to mortgage any of his blue chips for a set-up man, IMO.

Go Tommy. Get #300 tonight and then have an Old Milwaukee to celebrate!

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Yellow Bedwetter

i like ur (metsfan847509395887:) and rhinomagic) thread...as a huge mets fan in DE i only get to watch phillies games...we dont get FSNY, and your thread is like a mets recap thread...def will be looking at this more often
keep it up and thanks
GO METS!!!

rhinomagic

Yellow Bedwetter wrote:

i like ur (metsfan847509395887:) and rhinomagic) thread...as a huge mets fan in DE i only get to watch phillies games...we dont get FSNY, and your thread is like a mets recap thread...def will be looking at this more often
keep it up and thanks
GO METS!!!

Yeah, we like to talk about those Amazin' Mets. yosi, xavier mcdaniel, and several others are regular contributors; I'm far from a ring-leader. We even have an occasional check-in from Yankees, Dodgers, or (delusional) Phillies fans.

I live in Florida, so I rarely see a full game either. Trying to get to a sports bar every time I want to watch my favorite team play is not feasible, but I may head out tonight after work to watch Tom Glavine go for 300 (though I did read that mlb.tv is going to air all of his half-innings online for free tonight).

Keep checking in and talking Mets with us. I love the chatter, especially as the calendar is turning to August.

Let's go, Mets!

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yosi1

Apparently, according to ESPN.com Philip Humber is no longer untouchable and will probably be involved in a trade if one goes down for Cordero. I don't know how I feel about this. I like the Castillo trade, because like rhinomagic said, we basically gave up nothing and still have Gotay.

But, giving up Humber who is a top prospect for Cordero who I'm not sold on is not something I am so keen on.

Yellow Bedwetter

ya i posted here pages ago...i went to the sunday game a few weeks ago vs. the reds
first game in over 4 yrs due to college and the mets gettin good (prior to that I lived in CT, still do, and would attend about 5-8 games each yr for 6 yrs)
griffey and lo duca didnt play but that was the game castro did awesome, reyes hit a HR, and wagner was unstoppable
made me feel alive again ( got to go to Shea with my younger 17 y/o bro too)
Amen Mets

rhinomagic

yosi wrote:

Apparently, according to ESPN.com Philip Humber is no longer untouchable and will probably be involved in a trade if one goes down for Cordero. I don't know how I feel about this. I like the Castillo trade, because like rhinomagic said, we basically gave up nothing and still have Gotay.

But, giving up Humber who is a top prospect for Cordero who I'm not sold on is not something I am so keen on.

Well, Humber (who the Mets control for 6 more years) hasn't been dominant and is coming off Tommy John surgery. There's no guarantee he (like any prospect) will pan out. He could, especially with Rick Petersen as pitching coach, but I don't know if he's as sure a bet as before the surgery.

Cordero would give the Mets a right-handed closer/set-up man and pitching in Shea is always an advantage to the man on the mound. I wish Omar was going after a BETTER left-handed middle reliever than Schoenewies or Feliciano, but he's Omar and I'm not. By the way, Cordero is under contract for '08 & '09 and potentially makes a nice transition to closer, after Wagner's best days are behind him.

I could stomach the Humber deal, but not including any of the other blue chips. +Carp, yes. +Mulvey, maybe. +Pelfrey, no. +Outfielders, hell no!

Go get 'em, O!

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yosi1

rhinomagic wrote:

Well, Humber (who the Mets control for 6 more years) hasn't been dominant and is coming off Tommy John surgery. There's no guarantee he (like any prospect) will pan out. He could, especially with Rick Petersen as pitching coach, but I don't know if he's as sure a bet as before the surgery.

Cordero would give the Mets a right-handed closer/set-up man and pitching in Shea is always an advantage to the man on the mound. I wish Omar was going after a BETTER left-handed middle reliever than Schoenewies or Feliciano, but he's Omar and I'm not. By the way, Cordero is under contract for '08 & '09 and potentially makes a nice transition to closer, after Wagner's best days are behind him.

I could stomach the Humber deal, but not including any of the other blue chips. +Carp, yes. +Mulvey, maybe. +Pelfrey, no. +Outfielders, hell no!

Go get 'em, O!

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I don't know. I just don't like the Mets giving up top prospects, especially pitching ones now that we have Peterson as pitching coach, and I'm still traumatized from the Scott Kazmir trade.

I definitely agree we need another reliever (I feel aside from Wagner very disappointed in our 'pen) but I don't know how I feel about giving up Humber. (But I guess its better than giving up any of the other top prospects).

rhinomagic

yosi wrote:

I don't know. I just don't like the Mets giving up top prospects, especially pitching ones now that we have Peterson as pitching coach, and I'm still traumatized from the Scott Kazmir trade.

I definitely agree we need another reliever (I feel aside from Wagner very disappointed in our 'pen) but I don't know how I feel about giving up Humber. (But I guess its better than giving up any of the other top prospects).

Every Mets fan should forever hate Steve Phillips for the Kazmir/V. Zambrano deal. That was a heartbreaker and might've cost the Mets one or two good seasons since 2000. Phillips should have been fired way before B. Valentine was let go, but don't get me on that soapbox right now...

IF there was ever a time that Humber is expendable, it is now. The renaissance of O. Perez and the shrewd bargaining to get J. Maine means the Mets DO have some young starters and the cupboard is not bare if Humber is dealt. I don't advocate it (call it Kazmir gun-shy-ness), but I could understand if it happens.

The bullpen with Wagner (L), Cordero (R), Heilman (R), Feliciano (L), Joe Smith (R) and El Duque (R) with a rotation of Glavine (L), Maine (R), Perez (L), P Martinez (R) for the playoffs would be very solid. Puts the Mets' pitching right up there with the Pads/Dodgers.

You should try to trust, Omar. He doesn't get galactically stupid at the trade deadline, like that gray-haired buffoon did.

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Yellow Bedwetter

i disagree...i think our pen is pretty good. Bullpens can always be improved but you have to think Omar has his eyes on ppl to get in the off-season. The players we gave up as prospects, if they were from the most recent draft, many of them were young/inexperienced/from high school

yosi1

rhinomagic wrote:

Every Mets fan should forever hate Steve Phillips for the Kazmir/V. Zambrano deal. That was a heartbreaker and might've cost the Mets one or two good seasons since 2000. Phillips should have been fired way before B. Valentine was let go, but don't get me on that soapbox right now...

IF there was ever a time that Humber is expendable, it is now. The renaissance of O. Perez and the shrewd bargaining to get J. Maine means the Mets DO have some young starters and the cupboard is not bare if Humber is dealt. I don't advocate it (call it Kazmir gun-shy-ness), but I could understand if it happens.

The bullpen with Wagner (L), Cordero (R), Heilman (R), Feliciano (L), Joe Smith (R) and El Duque (R) with a rotation of Glavine (L), Maine (R), Perez (L), P Martinez (R) for the playoffs would be very solid. Puts the Mets' pitching right up there with the Pads/Dodgers.

You should try to trust, Omar. He doesn't get galactically stupid at the trade deadline, like that gray-haired buffoon did.

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I hear you. I still just don't want to see Humber bloom into the next Kazmir. But, I've been very happy with Omar, and the truth is, if he thinks that, that trade makes sense, he certainly knows more than I do, and I trust him. He was smart enough not to deal Milledge even though he was looking kinda crappy last year, and he's made mostly good deals since taking over, and been extremely good on picking up players who didn't look great, and turned out to be blessings (see John Maine and Oliver Perez).

jamminpearls

rhinomagic wrote:

The Mets stumble around for a few games and--all of a sudden--the Phllies are ahead of the Braves. Not scary,



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Very scary, the Phils will win the division.

rhinomagic

jamminpearls wrote:

Very scary, the Phils will win the division.

Here we have exhibit A of the requisite delusional Phillies fan checking in to the Mets thread.

Thanks for proving my point.

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jamminpearls

rhinomagic wrote:

Here we have exhibit A of the requisite delusional Phillies fan checking in to the Mets thread.

Thanks for proving my point.

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i love steve phillips.

Fighting Hellfish

rhinomagic wrote:

Well, Humber (who the Mets control for 6 more years) hasn't been dominant and is coming off Tommy John surgery. There's no guarantee he (like any prospect) will pan out. He could, especially with Rick Petersen as pitching coach, but I don't know if he's as sure a bet as before the surgery.

Cordero would give the Mets a right-handed closer/set-up man and pitching in Shea is always an advantage to the man on the mound. I wish Omar was going after a BETTER left-handed middle reliever than Schoenewies or Feliciano, but he's Omar and I'm not. By the way, Cordero is under contract for '08 & '09 and potentially makes a nice transition to closer, after Wagner's best days are behind him.

I could stomach the Humber deal, but not including any of the other blue chips. +Carp, yes. +Mulvey, maybe. +Pelfrey, no. +Outfielders, hell no!

Go get 'em, O!

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That's just the thing about Humber though, the Tommy John surgery. Noone is good coming off that surgery. it's the 2nd year when they are actually stronger than befor ethe surgery. trading him, I think, will prove worse than trading Kazmir.

THC

jamminpearls wrote:

i love steve phillips.

i know you are being sarcastic...but i'm getting a bit sick of Phillips..."the braves will win the division bullSh*t".

hey Phillips...just cause you couldn't put a winning team on the field w/ 120 million a year payroll doesn't mean you have to be bitter about it the rest of your life!

also...F-The Braves!!! lol....
seriously though...they made more moves then anyone in the majors...
must be tough to catch these METS BABY!!!!

who hooo....
Let's Go METS!!!!

PJSerf

rhinomagic wrote:

Here we have exhibit A of the requisite delusional Phillies fan checking in to the Mets thread.

Thanks for proving my point.

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We Phils fans would rather be delusional, than rude and inconsiderate as the majority of Mets fans were when they checked into our stadium last month for the 4-game series. I don't think I've heard that much cursing & disrespect out of anyone's mouth before, not even @ an Eagles' game. You would think it would be curbed in front of children, but I've come to expect nothing less from Mets' fans.

**Note: I shouldn't generalize, and apologize if you are a considerate Mets fan. But if you ask most people that were at that series, it was a consensus that the Mets fans were quite rude.

Here's to a tight race over the next 55+ games.

Fighting Hellfish

Hey, I've seen baseball and PJ in a lot of places, and never was I more disgusted with people than at the 2 Camden shows in 2003.

Gary Carter

PJSerf wrote:

We Phils fans would rather be delusional, than rude and inconsiderate as the majority of Mets fans were when they checked into our stadium last month for the 4-game series. I don't think I've heard that much cursing & disrespect out of anyone's mouth before, not even @ an Eagles' game. You would think it would be curbed in front of children, but I've come to expect nothing less from Mets' fans.

**Note: I shouldn't generalize, and apologize if you are a considerate Mets fan. But if you ask most people that were at that series, it was a consensus that the Mets fans were quite rude.

Here's to a tight race over the next 55+ games.

oh my someone cursed at a ballgame how shocking and infront of kids :rolleyes:. oh please you make me wanna throw up. you guys are rude here when you come to our ballpark, works both ways.and im not generalizing and yes iam a considerate met fan. go to yankee stadium wearing a sox jersey and hear how much cursing goes on

yosi1

metsfan531941 wrote:

oh my someone cursed at a ballgame how shocking and infront of kids :rolleyes:. oh please you make me wanna throw up. you guys are rude here when you come to our ballpark, works both ways.and im not generalizing and yes iam a considerate met fan. go to yankee stadium wearing a sox jersey and hear how much cursing goes on

No cursing happens, someone just gets murdered.

Gary Carter

yosi wrote:

No cursing happens, someone just gets murdered.

LMFAO, funny but true, yankees fans are the worst crowd i've ever been to. i went to a m's/yanks game back when griffey jr was still on the m's and i wore my griffey jr jersey and the amount of shit i got from fans was really bad, i was 12. my uncle jack whos been a die hard yankee fan forever said he was sadden by how yankee fans were to me