thanks for the update tish... funny that there's no reply from the lads on that one... oh and they wanna know what you were wearing
Sorry you felt like that.
What the fuck else do you want to talk about? Her last comment mostly clears up what the majority thought and presumed all along. So she knew the dude for a year. She invited him over for what all of us American males would consider a romantic (insert whatever the fuck suits you here) purpose. He made his move, as most males would in a similar situation. She wasn't feeling him as much as she thought she might. He was horny and confused. Was a fool for begging for some. Was a bigger fool for not leaving earlier if she asked him to..
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
oh I'm guessing you're one of the drama/victim crowd, eh? AllNiteThing don't you get that there could be girls reading this wondering what to do. It may be just the 'dramatic' ones doing the talking here but it's GOOD to talk about this kinda stuff... but hey, you wouldn't understand any of that! It's good for other girls to READ this stuff and realise that they're actually NOT the only ones... and that there are answers out there and that they shouldn't blame themselves. It doesnt' do much help to read some of the opinions on here... so if somebody can feel a bit better about themselves from this thread or any other thread, I couldn't give a FUCK what kinda opinion YOU form of me.
Damn, such hostility and personal attacks. Again, don't know why you're taking this so personally. Like I said, I don't think you're looking at this clearly because of that, but I digress...
This is NOT about rape or assault. Period. Nobody's advocating that and nobody is saying that if you are a victim of that then it is your fault. It's some people here who are blowing this whole situation WAY out of proportion :rolleyes: (how was that?) just to play the victim card. Or act condescending. Or complain. Whatever gets you off I guess. As Soulsinging said, as soon as she said no and that he should leave, he SHOULD HAVE LEFT. Nobody is saying otherwise. Can we agree on that?
The talk that a crime happened or trespassing or whatever is just ludicrous over dramatizing. Again, you are projecting yourself onto her. 'It's good for girls to know they're not the only ones'???? Excuse me, but again no crime took place here. She wasn't assaulted. This isn't your situation at the party and the longer you make that correlation, the more circular this discussion gets and the more angry you sound. And please don't presume to know what my experiences are, it only makes you sound more presumptuous and condescending. :rolleyes: (another one for ya)
All I and the rest of the rational heads here are attempting to say is that she made VERY poor judgement inviting a strange man over to her place. If you don't see the inherent danger that in and of itself poses to a woman, then there really isn't anything else to discuss. You live in a different world than I and everyone else I know or have ever known. Good luck. (one for the road there...enjoy)
24 years old, mid-life crisis
nowadays hits you when you're young
drama/victim crowd? What the fuck's that meant to mean?
It means some of you (ahem) are projecting crimes and assaults in places where none occurred. Why is that? Because you are quick to point a finger? Because you secretly distrust all men and already presume that he is at fault or did something wrong? I don't know, you tell me, but it certainly comes off as overdramatic and victimization syndrome.
You're the one who think we should all have in the back of our mind that we could be raped...
Excuse me for being concerned for the safety of women. :rolleyes: Apparently you have a rosier outlook on the world, but I've seen enough of the news and know enough people who have been in dangerous situations. REAL victims. I know that women are assaulted by men much more than the other way around and it doesn't usually occur when they are surrounded by friends. Excuse me for thinking inviting a strange man to your place sounds like poor judgement. Apparently my logic is faulty. :rolleyes:
you're the one saying that if I invite a guy to my place, I should expect him to make a move :rolleyes: .
A strange man? Yes. A man you're interested in? Yes. A longtime friend or family member? No. Wow, that logic was tough to type out, you think you got it? Regardless of what you want or expect, if you invite a STRANGE man or romantic interest over, YES, you should EXPECT him to make a move. This way you are on guard. If he doesn't, oh well. You would be stupid to be naive about it.
The experience rates #2 in my top two worst times with a male. (The first, worst time being when I nearly divorced yet managed to help write a few hit songs...)
Seriously....can you start a new thread about this?
24 years old, mid-life crisis
nowadays hits you when you're young
What the fuck else do you want to talk about? Her last comment mostly clears up what the majority thought and presumed all along.
I think the majority presumed this man was a 'strange man' (as AllNiteThing is still posting). Reading between the line, most presumed she asked a total stranger back to her house (several posts mentioning that). Tish did clear it up, it is someone she had known for about a year - albeit exchanging chit-chat...
Seriously....can you start a new thread about this?
I wouldn't if I was her. A lot of people on hear (myself included) are super snobby when it comes to music. For every 2 people that say 'cool, that is awesome' there will prbably be 3 others who speak negatively about the song(s) and then we'll have a giant fight thread that will get locked in about a day and a half.
Which came first,
the bad idea or me befallen by it?
What the fuck else do you want to talk about? Her last comment mostly clears up what the majority thought and presumed all along. So she knew the dude for a year. She invited him over for what all of us American males would consider a romantic (insert whatever the fuck suits you here) purpose. He made his move, as most males would in a similar situation. She wasn't feeling him as much as she thought she might. He was horny and confused. Was a fool for begging for some. Was a bigger fool for not leaving earlier if she asked him to..
Huh? They were calling him a STRANGER to dramatise their points... sounds like she knew him better than the guy I considered to be a friend.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I think the majority presumed this man was a 'strange man' (as AllNiteThing is still posting). Reading between the line, most presumed she asked a total stranger back to her house (several posts mentioning that). Tish did clear it up, it is someone she had known for about a year - albeit exchanging chit-chat...
I took it for granted that no one in their right mind thought that she would invite a man she just met at the bus stop over. I don't think anyone would invite a total stranger over like that, would they? By stranger, I presumed most thought like me, was someone other than an established friend. Someone she's been flirting and chatting with casually but doesn't know that well. Someone one would invite over on a cold Winter romantic evening to see where the relationship may or may not lead..
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
Damn, such hostility and personal attacks. Again, don't know why you're taking this so personally. Like I said, I don't think you're looking at this clearly because of that, but I digress...
where did I personally attack you?
And I'm the patronising one... yet you say I'm not looking at it clearly cos of personal experiences... insinuating that because you haven't experienced anything like this you therefore know more about it than me?
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Huh? They were calling him a STRANGER to dramatise their points... sounds like she knew him better than the guy I considered to be a friend.
It did? Didn't sound like she knew him very well at all to me...like the person you'd buy your coffee from every morning on the way to work or something...
I took it for granted that no one in their right mind thought that she would invite a man she just met at the bus stop over. I don't think anyone would invite a total stranger over like that, would they? By stranger, I presumed most thought like me, was someone other than an established friend. Someone she's been flirting and chatting with casually but doesn't know that well. Someone one would invite over on a cold Winter romantic evening to see where the relationship may or may not lead..
Yes, I demonstrated poor judgement inviting the man (that I have had small-talk with for a year) over without making my get-to-know him better intentions crystal clear. I won't put my self in that predicament again.
His behaviour truly disgusted me. His solicitations made me want to jump in the shower and scrub myself after he left. (Insert shudder here.)
I very much appreciated tips on keeping safe while dating. I'm usually in long-term relationships.
Trespassing, hey. Who knew?
was he the hot neighbor you mentioned in your other thread?
I took it for granted that no one in their right mind thought that she would invite a man she just met at the bus stop over. I don't think anyone would invite a total stranger over like that, would they? By stranger, I presumed most thought like me, was someone other than an established friend. Someone she's been flirting and chatting with casually but doesn't know that well. Someone one would invite over on a cold Winter romantic evening to see where the relationship may or may not lead..
If you as a woman want to invite complete strangers over to your house
Just an example. This makes it sound like she picked up the guy somewhere...
Anyway, continuing this is completely useless. Tish had been chatting to a guy for over a year, he seemed a nice guy, misjudged it as he turned out to be a sod, she had a scare and she was lucky it finished well for her. End of story. People have made enough fun of her and put her down enough too.
It means some of you (ahem) are projecting crimes and assaults in places where none occurred. Why is that? Because you are quick to point a finger? Because you secretly distrust all men and already presume that he is at fault or did something wrong? I don't know, you tell me, but it certainly comes off as overdramatic and victimization syndrome.
you may want to cut your losses here. it is completely impossible to have any sort of intelligent or rational discussion with helen on the topic of sex relations. if you say anything other than that men are scum and the man is at fault and the woman is angel, then she will call you a controlling sexist pig who wants women to be kept in their place via fear of rape... as you have discovered in this thread.
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
Just an example. This makes it sound like she picked up the guy somewhere...
Anyway, continuing this is completely useless. Tish had been chatting to a guy for over a year, he seemed a nice guy, misjudged it as he turned out to be a sod, she had a scare and she was lucky it finished well for her. End of story. People have made enough fun of her and put her down enough too.
Right, but common sense would tell you that the guy obviously wasn't a complete 'stranger' by definition. A 'complete' stranger could be a person you chit-chat with but don't know very well, as described by tish and in this thread ....A 'stranger' by definition is not the issue here..
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
you may want to cut your losses here. it is completely impossible to have any sort of intelligent or rational discussion with helen
I don't know about the rest of you, but clearly there is nothing left to discuss. I'm just determined to get the last word in on this one, just to spite Helen ..
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
It means some of you (ahem) are projecting crimes and assaults in places where none occurred. Why is that? Because you are quick to point a finger? Because you secretly distrust all men and already presume that he is at fault or did something wrong? I don't know, you tell me, but it certainly comes off as overdramatic and victimization syndrome.
Excuse me for being concerned for the safety of women. :rolleyes: Apparently you have a rosier outlook on the world, but I've seen enough of the news and know enough people who have been in dangerous situations. REAL victims. I know that women are assaulted by men much more than the other way around and it doesn't usually occur when they are surrounded by friends. Excuse me for thinking inviting a strange man to your place sounds like poor judgement. Apparently my logic is faulty. :rolleyes:
A strange man? Yes. A man you're interested in? Yes. A longtime friend or family member? No. Wow, that logic was tough to type out, you think you got it? Regardless of what you want or expect, if you invite a STRANGE man or romantic interest over, YES, you should EXPECT him to make a move. This way you are on guard. If he doesn't, oh well. You would be stupid to be naive about it.
Wow, that's out of left field. Thanks for the demonizing attempt at minimizing my opinions. This in no way reflects anything that I've said.
Your ENTIRE argument revolves around projecting your personal victim story onto the OP's shady situation. Not EVERY thread is about you, HH.
Wow, thanks for presuming what my life experiences are. I'm sure you just summed it up. :rolleyes: (that one was deserved)
Yea, sure. :rolleyes:
Hmm... so we can't use our own experiences to offer up advice or to try and help others? Or to even offer our opinion? When did this new rule come into effect? You seem to be another of the few who I piss off with everything I say just by judging your comments in this and the other thread.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
you may want to cut your losses here. it is completely impossible to have any sort of intelligent or rational discussion with helen on the topic of sex relations. if you say anything other than that men are scum and the man is at fault and the woman is angel, then she will call you a controlling sexist pig who wants women to be kept in their place via fear of rape... as you have discovered in this thread.
Huh? What's with all the fucking personal attacks here? And for YOU to say it's impossible to have a rational discussion with ME aboutu sex relations? Classic! :rolleyes:
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Well I don't know about the rest of you ladies, but I feel like throwing up.
What have we learned?
TELL NO ONE!
I thought it was just me
I'm guessing there are a few others who don't wanna post cos of the personal attack first on Tish and then on me... fucking ridiculous!
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
thanks for the update tish... funny that there's no reply from the lads on that one... oh and they wanna know what you were wearing
Sorry you felt like that.
perhaps becos despite your fervent desire to believe that we all think she should have expected and deserved to be raped, we are all aware that this was a scary experience for her and we do not want to grill her about it and humiliate her. but if you really want me to cross examine her, i'll be happy to. after all, you being proved right is probably far more important than how it affects her.
Hehehehehe indeed :rolleyes: thanks for your intelligent input
You must toss and turn all night just itching to come online at your work and give us your useless opinions!! USELESS!!
My intelligent input to your whining responses. Your posts get old and now I won't be reading them and hopefully you will skip mine as well since you think I say only what guys want to hear...WEIRD!
I have my own mind and I really don't care what guys think..I just happen to agree with most of them at times.
Goodbye boring person..:)
hehe
And so the lion fell in love with the lamb...,"
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
I'm guessing there are a few others who don't wanna post cos of the personal attack first on Tish and then on me... fucking ridiculous!
look guys, now helen is also a victim on the same level as tish with respect to being persecuted and harassed by the evil misogynists. i feel for helen so much... it's got to be tough being a martyr for the female sex :(
look guys, now helen is also a victim on the same level as tish with respect to being persecuted and harassed by the evil misogynists. i feel for helen so much... it's got to be tough being a martyr for the female sex :(
What's the matter? Is she stealing your limelight?
Comments
What the fuck else do you want to talk about? Her last comment mostly clears up what the majority thought and presumed all along. So she knew the dude for a year. She invited him over for what all of us American males would consider a romantic (insert whatever the fuck suits you here) purpose. He made his move, as most males would in a similar situation. She wasn't feeling him as much as she thought she might. He was horny and confused. Was a fool for begging for some. Was a bigger fool for not leaving earlier if she asked him to..
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
Damn, such hostility and personal attacks. Again, don't know why you're taking this so personally. Like I said, I don't think you're looking at this clearly because of that, but I digress...
This is NOT about rape or assault. Period. Nobody's advocating that and nobody is saying that if you are a victim of that then it is your fault. It's some people here who are blowing this whole situation WAY out of proportion :rolleyes: (how was that?) just to play the victim card. Or act condescending. Or complain. Whatever gets you off I guess. As Soulsinging said, as soon as she said no and that he should leave, he SHOULD HAVE LEFT. Nobody is saying otherwise. Can we agree on that?
The talk that a crime happened or trespassing or whatever is just ludicrous over dramatizing. Again, you are projecting yourself onto her. 'It's good for girls to know they're not the only ones'???? Excuse me, but again no crime took place here. She wasn't assaulted. This isn't your situation at the party and the longer you make that correlation, the more circular this discussion gets and the more angry you sound. And please don't presume to know what my experiences are, it only makes you sound more presumptuous and condescending. :rolleyes: (another one for ya)
All I and the rest of the rational heads here are attempting to say is that she made VERY poor judgement inviting a strange man over to her place. If you don't see the inherent danger that in and of itself poses to a woman, then there really isn't anything else to discuss. You live in a different world than I and everyone else I know or have ever known. Good luck.
nowadays hits you when you're young
It means some of you (ahem) are projecting crimes and assaults in places where none occurred. Why is that? Because you are quick to point a finger? Because you secretly distrust all men and already presume that he is at fault or did something wrong? I don't know, you tell me, but it certainly comes off as overdramatic and victimization syndrome.
Excuse me for being concerned for the safety of women. :rolleyes: Apparently you have a rosier outlook on the world, but I've seen enough of the news and know enough people who have been in dangerous situations. REAL victims. I know that women are assaulted by men much more than the other way around and it doesn't usually occur when they are surrounded by friends. Excuse me for thinking inviting a strange man to your place sounds like poor judgement. Apparently my logic is faulty. :rolleyes:
A strange man? Yes. A man you're interested in? Yes. A longtime friend or family member? No. Wow, that logic was tough to type out, you think you got it? Regardless of what you want or expect, if you invite a STRANGE man or romantic interest over, YES, you should EXPECT him to make a move. This way you are on guard. If he doesn't, oh well. You would be stupid to be naive about it.
Wow, that's out of left field. Thanks for the demonizing attempt at minimizing my opinions. This in no way reflects anything that I've said.
Your ENTIRE argument revolves around projecting your personal victim story onto the OP's shady situation. Not EVERY thread is about you, HH.
Wow, thanks for presuming what my life experiences are. I'm sure you just summed it up. :rolleyes: (that one was deserved)
Yea, sure. :rolleyes:
nowadays hits you when you're young
For the Spin Doctors? Yeah, that makes sense. I'm goin' with Spin Doctors.
the bad idea or me befallen by it?
Seriously....can you start a new thread about this?
nowadays hits you when you're young
I wouldn't if I was her. A lot of people on hear (myself included) are super snobby when it comes to music. For every 2 people that say 'cool, that is awesome' there will prbably be 3 others who speak negatively about the song(s) and then we'll have a giant fight thread that will get locked in about a day and a half.
the bad idea or me befallen by it?
http://media.www.dailylobo.com/media/storage/paper344/news/2005/01/27/News/Unm-Rape.Stats.Deceptive-843194.shtml
http://www.sacasa.org/acqrape.htm
http://www.rapecrisis.org.uk/HOFindings159.pdf
http://www2.ucsc.edu/rape-prevention/statistics.html
http://www.endabuse.org/resources/facts/
http://www.crisiscenter.org/RapeMythesFacts.htm
http://www.d.umn.edu/cla/faculty/jhamlin/3925/myths.html
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I took it for granted that no one in their right mind thought that she would invite a man she just met at the bus stop over. I don't think anyone would invite a total stranger over like that, would they? By stranger, I presumed most thought like me, was someone other than an established friend. Someone she's been flirting and chatting with casually but doesn't know that well. Someone one would invite over on a cold Winter romantic evening to see where the relationship may or may not lead..
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
And I'm the patronising one... yet you say I'm not looking at it clearly cos of personal experiences... insinuating that because you haven't experienced anything like this you therefore know more about it than me?
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
It did? Didn't sound like she knew him very well at all to me...like the person you'd buy your coffee from every morning on the way to work or something...
This seems pretty accurate to me.
was he the hot neighbor you mentioned in your other thread?
Anyway, continuing this is completely useless. Tish had been chatting to a guy for over a year, he seemed a nice guy, misjudged it as he turned out to be a sod, she had a scare and she was lucky it finished well for her. End of story. People have made enough fun of her and put her down enough too.
you may want to cut your losses here. it is completely impossible to have any sort of intelligent or rational discussion with helen on the topic of sex relations. if you say anything other than that men are scum and the man is at fault and the woman is angel, then she will call you a controlling sexist pig who wants women to be kept in their place via fear of rape... as you have discovered in this thread.
Common sense..
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
Right, but common sense would tell you that the guy obviously wasn't a complete 'stranger' by definition. A 'complete' stranger could be a person you chit-chat with but don't know very well, as described by tish and in this thread
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
I don't know about the rest of you, but clearly there is nothing left to discuss. I'm just determined to get the last word in on this one, just to spite Helen
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
What have we learned?
TELL NO ONE!
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
People are obsessed with tish.
that's about it...
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I'm guessing there are a few others who don't wanna post cos of the personal attack first on Tish and then on me... fucking ridiculous!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
perhaps becos despite your fervent desire to believe that we all think she should have expected and deserved to be raped, we are all aware that this was a scary experience for her and we do not want to grill her about it and humiliate her. but if you really want me to cross examine her, i'll be happy to. after all, you being proved right is probably far more important than how it affects her.
You must toss and turn all night just itching to come online at your work and give us your useless opinions!! USELESS!!
My intelligent input to your whining responses. Your posts get old and now I won't be reading them and hopefully you will skip mine as well since you think I say only what guys want to hear...WEIRD!
I have my own mind and I really don't care what guys think..I just happen to agree with most of them at times.
Goodbye boring person..:)
hehe
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
Oh NEVER think that love! It's not you trust me.
I'm quite sure that there are more than a few people that don't want to post because of the appalling behaviour thats gone on.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
look guys, now helen is also a victim on the same level as tish with respect to being persecuted and harassed by the evil misogynists. i feel for helen so much... it's got to be tough being a martyr for the female sex :(
What's the matter? Is she stealing your limelight?
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift