*There is a rumor circulating that the Flyers will attempt to package James van Riemsdyk "along with a big ticket player currently on the roster" in an attempt to free up space to sign Komisarek or Jay Bo.
I know he's got a bit on FlyersTV, but beware all things Eklund. The guy's sells absurd rumours for a living, and is a joke in the hockey world.
That said, it's not like he's going that far out on a limb this time. Briere, Lupul and Gagne's names have been tossed around for awhile. Briere is almost too big to move. Very few teams have the cap space for his contract. Gags has a no-trade, and was one of the best players on the team last year, as he has been every year minus the concussion season. He's a near-PPG guy who plays big minutes on the PK too. You don't get that for $5.25 million in this league. I'm on my knees begging that they ditch Lupul. The guy lollygags about the ice most nights. He's far too talented for 25 goals.
I'm against Bouwmeester for a number of reasons, most prominently that the cost will be too high. The team already has a composed, solid, PROVEN, #1 guy in Timonen. And they're a mobile D group with scoring potential too. They need a bruiser who can clear the crease. That was apparent all last year. Komisarek will be expensive because of the weak D market, but he won't cost Bouwmeester money and other teams might be a little leery of last season's injury problems, and thus drag the cost down a bit. But for my money, I say they get Francois Beauchemin. The guy averaged as many minutes per game on the Ducks' Cup team as Pronger and Niedermayer. He kicks ass and can move the puck. And he won't cost near as much as the others. I was at the Ducks game when he came back after missing most of the season with a knee injury. This guy is solid.
Whatever the case, we'll have plenty to talk about this time next week.
*There is a rumor circulating that the Flyers will attempt to package James van Riemsdyk "along with a big ticket player currently on the roster" in an attempt to free up space to sign Komisarek or Jay Bo.
I know he's got a bit on FlyersTV, but beware all things Eklund. The guy's sells absurd rumours for a living, and is a joke in the hockey world.
I'm against Bouwmeester for a number of reasons, most prominently that the cost will be too high. The team already has a composed, solid, PROVEN, #1 guy in Timonen. And they're a mobile D group with scoring potential too. They need a bruiser who can clear the crease. That was apparent all last year. Komisarek will be expensive because of the weak D market, but he won't cost Bouwmeester money and other teams might be a little leery of last season's injury problems, and thus drag the cost down a bit. But for my money, I say they get Francois Beauchemin. The guy averaged as many minutes per game on the Ducks' Cup team as Pronger and Niedermayer. He kicks ass and can move the puck. And he won't cost near as much as the others. I was at the Ducks game when he came back after missing most of the season with a knee injury. This guy is solid.
That's quite true, Eklund is a joke.
Bouwmeester is going to fetch a lot. The early rumours on Komisaurus were in the 6 million range, which is ludicrous. I don't want to lose him but that is way too high. Even above 4 is too high for me, after last season's performance.
WOW. I need to stop doubting Homer. Dumps Lupul back to Anaheim, and picks up fucking Chris Pronger. Believe it or not, that leaves us cap room to re-sign Knuble, potentially. Tough to lose Sbisa, who’s gonna give Anaheim a nice young D corps with Whitney, Wisniewski and that graybeard Niedermayer. But we have good depth at D with Parent, Marshall, Bourdon and Ratchuk.
Here’s the Hockey’s Future write-up on Ryan Dingle. http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/ryan_dingle
Seems marginal, but who the hell cares anymore?
WOW. I need to stop doubting Homer. Dumps Lupul back to Anaheim, and picks up fucking Chris Pronger. Believe it or not, that leaves us cap room to re-sign Knuble, potentially. Tough to lose Sbisa, who’s gonna give Anaheim a nice young D corps with Whitney, Wisniewski and that graybeard Niedermayer. But we have good depth at D with Parent, Marshall, Bourdon and Ratchuk.
Here’s the Hockey’s Future write-up on Ryan Dingle. Seems marginal, but who the hell cares anymore?
Makes sense. With Hatcher retired, you needed a replacement to throw elbows at unsuspecting heads.
WOW. I need to stop doubting Homer. Dumps Lupul back to Anaheim, and picks up fucking Chris Pronger. Believe it or not, that leaves us cap room to re-sign Knuble, potentially. Tough to lose Sbisa, who’s gonna give Anaheim a nice young D corps with Whitney, Wisniewski and that graybeard Niedermayer. But we have good depth at D with Parent, Marshall, Bourdon and Ratchuk.
Here’s the Hockey’s Future write-up on Ryan Dingle. Seems marginal, but who the hell cares anymore?
Makes sense. With Hatcher retired, you needed a replacement to throw elbows at unsuspecting heads.
No kidding... great place for a douchebag getting closer to mediocrity every year.
Quickly crunched the numbers related to the cap, with help from nhlnumbers.com
10 forwards (Briere, Richie, Gags, Carter, Hartnell, Giroux, Asham, Powe, Cote, Carcillo), six D (Pronger, Timonen, Coburn, Carle, Parent, Jones), and Ray Emery, the cap hit is approximately $52.5 million. With the cap announced today at $56.8, that leaves about $4.3 million to sign Knuble, a face-off grinder guy, and a back-up. Some of those guys at forward could be replaced (Cote vs. Carcillo) with a JVR, Nodl, etc for equal or less money.
WOW. I need to stop doubting Homer. Dumps Lupul back to Anaheim, and picks up fucking Chris Pronger. Believe it or not, that leaves us cap room to re-sign Knuble, potentially. Tough to lose Sbisa, who’s gonna give Anaheim a nice young D corps with Whitney, Wisniewski and that graybeard Niedermayer. But we have good depth at D with Parent, Marshall, Bourdon and Ratchuk.
Here’s the Hockey’s Future write-up on Ryan Dingle. Seems marginal, but who the hell cares anymore?
Makes sense. With Hatcher retired, you needed a replacement to throw elbows at unsuspecting heads.
Hatcher's a player development coach now. We'll be crosschecking teams into oblivion for years to come.
WOW. I need to stop doubting Homer. Dumps Lupul back to Anaheim, and picks up fucking Chris Pronger. Believe it or not, that leaves us cap room to re-sign Knuble, potentially. Tough to lose Sbisa, who’s gonna give Anaheim a nice young D corps with Whitney, Wisniewski and that graybeard Niedermayer. But we have good depth at D with Parent, Marshall, Bourdon and Ratchuk.
Here’s the Hockey’s Future write-up on Ryan Dingle. Seems marginal, but who the hell cares anymore?
Makes sense. With Hatcher retired, you needed a replacement to throw elbows at unsuspecting heads.
No kidding... great place for a douchebag getting closer to mediocrity every year.
I think we'll take: 82 games, 11 goals, 37 assists - 14th among D, and 26:56 minutes/game - 3rd overall. Pronger's 88 PIMs put him 83rd in the league, tied with Dany Heatley. He's scored more points only four times in his career.
WOW. I need to stop doubting Homer. Dumps Lupul back to Anaheim, and picks up fucking Chris Pronger. Believe it or not, that leaves us cap room to re-sign Knuble, potentially. Tough to lose Sbisa, who’s gonna give Anaheim a nice young D corps with Whitney, Wisniewski and that graybeard Niedermayer. But we have good depth at D with Parent, Marshall, Bourdon and Ratchuk.
Here’s the Hockey’s Future write-up on Ryan Dingle. http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/ryan_dingle
Seems marginal, but who the hell cares anymore?
The players they gave up didn't bother me but the extra draft picks I was shocked
He's also an UFA after this coming season I believe
This move is something a team would do if they were a player away from winning it..still too many question marks..but hey maybe Homer isn't done yet
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From everything that I have seen since the trade, it looks like the Flyers had to up the ante to get Pronger. He was also being persued by the Caps and Blues. The asking price was too much for the Caps but the Blues apparently had a nice deal together so the Flyers increased their offer... as for losing the drafts picks, if the Flyers perform well this season, the pick will be a late first rounder anyway, losing Sbisa could be something or he could become another Janne Ninimma or Pitkanen... only time will tell.
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I don't know if I like that trade for the Flyers... obviously you guys are a better team for 2009-2010 than you were a couple of days ago, but after this year, if Pronger doesn't re-sign (at a decent price and still performs in his mid 30's), you guys gave up a lot of future for a young team to win now.
This kind of trade makes more sense for an aging team with a closing window on winning, but not for a team with a young core like the Flyers... That's a lot of eggs to but in Ray Emery's basket.
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I don't know if I like that trade for the Flyers... obviously you guys are a better team for 2009-2010 than you were a couple of days ago, but after this year, if Pronger doesn't re-sign (at a decent price and still performs in his mid 30's), you guys gave up a lot of future for a young team to win now.
This kind of trade makes more sense for an aging team with a closing window on winning, but not for a team with a young core like the Flyers... That's a lot of eggs to but in Ray Emery's basket.
I see the young core as a good reason for Pronger to resign here plus he will fit into the style of play without any problems and the fans will love him from his first minutes on the ice. He's a great fit for this organization and I can see a 2 or 3 year deal being worked out during the season. And again, about giving up alot of future talent, Lupol was a streaky player (albeit a fairly good one), and Sbisa really hasn't proven anything yet, just showed a huge upside. The picks aren't that big of a loss especially if the team performs well and advances far in the playoffs.
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my NYR are in trouble with the arrival of Pronger, and no Colton Orr to keep an eye out on him !
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I don't know if I like that trade for the Flyers... obviously you guys are a better team for 2009-2010 than you were a couple of days ago, but after this year, if Pronger doesn't re-sign (at a decent price and still performs in his mid 30's), you guys gave up a lot of future for a young team to win now.
This kind of trade makes more sense for an aging team with a closing window on winning, but not for a team with a young core like the Flyers... That's a lot of eggs to but in Ray Emery's basket.
I see the young core as a good reason for Pronger to resign here plus he will fit into the style of play without any problems and the fans will love him from his first minutes on the ice. He's a great fit for this organization and I can see a 2 or 3 year deal being worked out during the season. And again, about giving up alot of future talent, Lupol was a streaky player (albeit a fairly good one), and Sbisa really hasn't proven anything yet, just showed a huge upside. The picks aren't that big of a loss especially if the team performs well and advances far in the playoffs.
Yeah... I guess my problem with it, is if they can extend him at a decent price... I doubt Holmgren would make that deal without knowing the possibility of re-signing him, but if he walks after this year, then the deal sets the franchise back a bit with basically losing 3 consecutive first round picks.
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Nothing exciting...I liked Knuble but he was slow and turnover prone in our end of the ice..good PP guy though
I actually LOVE Ian Laperierre. He's the fourth line vet they've needed. Great guy too. Tough, but not incredibly stupid <cough>Carcillo<cough>. Plays well in his own end, and can pop in a few goals. I think he'll take Knuble's place in the room too. I imagine either Cote or Carcillo, likely the former, will wind up with the Phantoms.
As for replacing Knuble/Lupul offence, I think we'll be fine with Giroux coming along, Pronger on the back end, and Briere playing full-time (god willing).
I like the mental make-up of the team right now.
Bouch has been a pretty good back-up the last couple years. I worry what happens if (when?) Emery tanks though. I understand Homer was in a tough spot on this one.
Not being in Philly, I don't know, but I read that Flyerdom is going crazy mad over the moves. While losing Knuble is really hard, we weren't re-signing him for what he made last year (as the Caps pretty much did). There wasn't room. The deals aren't Flashy, other than Pronger, of course, but Homer's filling the holes just fine.
Does anyone know the details of how and when tix go onsale for the Winter Classic at Fenway? There's no way I'm missing this.
I have nothing to base this on but my best guess would be that Bruins and Flyers season ticket holders would get a crack at them before they go on sale to the general public... also Red Sox fan club members could also possibly have a go at it before a GP on sale.
Does anyone know the details of how and when tix go onsale for the Winter Classic at Fenway? There's no way I'm missing this.
I have nothing to base this on but my best guess would be that Bruins and Flyers season ticket holders would get a crack at them before they go on sale to the general public... also Red Sox fan club members could also possibly have a go at it before a GP on sale.
IT'S mind-boggling that neither general manager Paul Holmgren nor the alleged cap expert within the Flyers organization -- whomever that isn't -- understood that the seven-year Chris Pronger extension that begins in 2010-11 would be treated as an over-35 contract, applicable against the cap under essentially all circumstances as defined by the current Collective Bargaining Agreement.
And yet, Philadelphia likely will never suffer the consequences for the massive blunder in which management agreed to pay $33.4 million of the total $34.9 million within the first five years of the extension. And thus would be on the hook for a $4.921 million cap hit in 2015-16 and 2016-17, even with the defenseman in expected retirement.
The Flyers will not take the hit because the CBA will be long extinct by that time, with another round of rollbacks and amnesty buyouts expected to bridge the gap between the current labor agreement and whatever comes next.
There are no guarantees, of course, but no one knows the fate of contracts that run beyond 2011-12, which is when the CBA will expire once the NHLPA exercises its pro-forma option to extend the deal through that season.
It would, however, be a shock if the league doesn't recalibrate as part of a battle that's certain to include a laundry list of givebacks from the union intended to shrink the cap. Indeed, several general managers have told Slap Shots they believe a rollback of up to 15 percent plus a round of amnesty buyouts will be necessary at the end of next season in order to accommodate a decrease in the 2010-11 cap that is expected to be meaningful.
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IT'S mind-boggling that neither general manager Paul Holmgren nor the alleged cap expert within the Flyers organization -- whomever that isn't -- understood that the seven-year Chris Pronger extension that begins in 2010-11 would be treated as an over-35 contract, applicable against the cap under essentially all circumstances as defined by the current Collective Bargaining Agreement.
And yet, Philadelphia likely will never suffer the consequences for the massive blunder in which management agreed to pay $33.4 million of the total $34.9 million within the first five years of the extension. And thus would be on the hook for a $4.921 million cap hit in 2015-16 and 2016-17, even with the defenseman in expected retirement.
The Flyers will not take the hit because the CBA will be long extinct by that time, with another round of rollbacks and amnesty buyouts expected to bridge the gap between the current labor agreement and whatever comes next.
There are no guarantees, of course, but no one knows the fate of contracts that run beyond 2011-12, which is when the CBA will expire once the NHLPA exercises its pro-forma option to extend the deal through that season.
It would, however, be a shock if the league doesn't recalibrate as part of a battle that's certain to include a laundry list of givebacks from the union intended to shrink the cap. Indeed, several general managers have told Slap Shots they believe a rollback of up to 15 percent plus a round of amnesty buyouts will be necessary at the end of next season in order to accommodate a decrease in the 2010-11 cap that is expected to be meaningful.
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Larry Brooks is a douche, and I typically pay him as much mind as I do Stan Fischler, but I would like the Pronger contract to work out this way.
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Rygar- I agree, Komisarek will get a payday this year, whether it is deserved or not... I just hope the Flyers aren't the team who is overpaying him.
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I know he's got a bit on FlyersTV, but beware all things Eklund. The guy's sells absurd rumours for a living, and is a joke in the hockey world.
That said, it's not like he's going that far out on a limb this time. Briere, Lupul and Gagne's names have been tossed around for awhile. Briere is almost too big to move. Very few teams have the cap space for his contract. Gags has a no-trade, and was one of the best players on the team last year, as he has been every year minus the concussion season. He's a near-PPG guy who plays big minutes on the PK too. You don't get that for $5.25 million in this league. I'm on my knees begging that they ditch Lupul. The guy lollygags about the ice most nights. He's far too talented for 25 goals.
I'm against Bouwmeester for a number of reasons, most prominently that the cost will be too high. The team already has a composed, solid, PROVEN, #1 guy in Timonen. And they're a mobile D group with scoring potential too. They need a bruiser who can clear the crease. That was apparent all last year. Komisarek will be expensive because of the weak D market, but he won't cost Bouwmeester money and other teams might be a little leery of last season's injury problems, and thus drag the cost down a bit. But for my money, I say they get Francois Beauchemin. The guy averaged as many minutes per game on the Ducks' Cup team as Pronger and Niedermayer. He kicks ass and can move the puck. And he won't cost near as much as the others. I was at the Ducks game when he came back after missing most of the season with a knee injury. This guy is solid.
Whatever the case, we'll have plenty to talk about this time next week.
Bouwmeester is going to fetch a lot. The early rumours on Komisaurus were in the 6 million range, which is ludicrous. I don't want to lose him but that is way too high. Even above 4 is too high for me, after last season's performance.
Here’s the Hockey’s Future write-up on Ryan Dingle.
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/ryan_dingle
Seems marginal, but who the hell cares anymore?
No kidding... great place for a douchebag getting closer to mediocrity every year.
10 forwards (Briere, Richie, Gags, Carter, Hartnell, Giroux, Asham, Powe, Cote, Carcillo), six D (Pronger, Timonen, Coburn, Carle, Parent, Jones), and Ray Emery, the cap hit is approximately $52.5 million. With the cap announced today at $56.8, that leaves about $4.3 million to sign Knuble, a face-off grinder guy, and a back-up. Some of those guys at forward could be replaced (Cote vs. Carcillo) with a JVR, Nodl, etc for equal or less money.
Are y'all ready for next season?
Hatcher's a player development coach now. We'll be crosschecking teams into oblivion for years to come.
I think we'll take: 82 games, 11 goals, 37 assists - 14th among D, and 26:56 minutes/game - 3rd overall. Pronger's 88 PIMs put him 83rd in the league, tied with Dany Heatley. He's scored more points only four times in his career.
The players they gave up didn't bother me but the extra draft picks I was shocked
He's also an UFA after this coming season I believe
This move is something a team would do if they were a player away from winning it..still too many question marks..but hey maybe Homer isn't done yet
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This kind of trade makes more sense for an aging team with a closing window on winning, but not for a team with a young core like the Flyers... That's a lot of eggs to but in Ray Emery's basket.
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I see the young core as a good reason for Pronger to resign here plus he will fit into the style of play without any problems and the fans will love him from his first minutes on the ice. He's a great fit for this organization and I can see a 2 or 3 year deal being worked out during the season. And again, about giving up alot of future talent, Lupol was a streaky player (albeit a fairly good one), and Sbisa really hasn't proven anything yet, just showed a huge upside. The picks aren't that big of a loss especially if the team performs well and advances far in the playoffs.
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will you guys get more than 1 season out of him ?
my NYR are in trouble with the arrival of Pronger, and no Colton Orr to keep an eye out on him !
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Yeah... I guess my problem with it, is if they can extend him at a decent price... I doubt Holmgren would make that deal without knowing the possibility of re-signing him, but if he walks after this year, then the deal sets the franchise back a bit with basically losing 3 consecutive first round picks.
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Laperriere signed 3yrs
Boucher is back
Nothing exciting...I liked Knuble but he was slow and turnover prone in our end of the ice..good PP guy though
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I actually LOVE Ian Laperierre. He's the fourth line vet they've needed. Great guy too. Tough, but not incredibly stupid <cough>Carcillo<cough>. Plays well in his own end, and can pop in a few goals. I think he'll take Knuble's place in the room too. I imagine either Cote or Carcillo, likely the former, will wind up with the Phantoms.
As for replacing Knuble/Lupul offence, I think we'll be fine with Giroux coming along, Pronger on the back end, and Briere playing full-time (god willing).
I like the mental make-up of the team right now.
Bouch has been a pretty good back-up the last couple years. I worry what happens if (when?) Emery tanks though. I understand Homer was in a tough spot on this one.
Not being in Philly, I don't know, but I read that Flyerdom is going crazy mad over the moves. While losing Knuble is really hard, we weren't re-signing him for what he made last year (as the Caps pretty much did). There wasn't room. The deals aren't Flashy, other than Pronger, of course, but Homer's filling the holes just fine.
I have nothing to base this on but my best guess would be that Bruins and Flyers season ticket holders would get a crack at them before they go on sale to the general public... also Red Sox fan club members could also possibly have a go at it before a GP on sale.
FAQ from Blackhawks http://blackhawks.nhl.com/tickets/winterclassicfaq.htm
They also had a public drawing for tickets much like the Phils did for opening and ring ceremony games.
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Well, that fucking sucks. Some ticketbroker site is selling them already at $350 a pop. Oh, well. Looks like it's a Jamaica all-inclusive instead.
Noowwww this is a good trade.
Indeed. Long term, but good on the cap. I'd like the season to start now. Waiting for video of Trial on the Isle isn't quite doing it for me.
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Nah. He's gonna be "moving" that Gomez-Gionta-Cammalleri Smurf line all over the ice.
IT'S mind-boggling that neither general manager Paul Holmgren nor the alleged cap expert within the Flyers organization -- whomever that isn't -- understood that the seven-year Chris Pronger extension that begins in 2010-11 would be treated as an over-35 contract, applicable against the cap under essentially all circumstances as defined by the current Collective Bargaining Agreement.
And yet, Philadelphia likely will never suffer the consequences for the massive blunder in which management agreed to pay $33.4 million of the total $34.9 million within the first five years of the extension. And thus would be on the hook for a $4.921 million cap hit in 2015-16 and 2016-17, even with the defenseman in expected retirement.
The Flyers will not take the hit because the CBA will be long extinct by that time, with another round of rollbacks and amnesty buyouts expected to bridge the gap between the current labor agreement and whatever comes next.
There are no guarantees, of course, but no one knows the fate of contracts that run beyond 2011-12, which is when the CBA will expire once the NHLPA exercises its pro-forma option to extend the deal through that season.
It would, however, be a shock if the league doesn't recalibrate as part of a battle that's certain to include a laundry list of givebacks from the union intended to shrink the cap. Indeed, several general managers have told Slap Shots they believe a rollback of up to 15 percent plus a round of amnesty buyouts will be necessary at the end of next season in order to accommodate a decrease in the 2010-11 cap that is expected to be meaningful.
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Larry Brooks is a douche, and I typically pay him as much mind as I do Stan Fischler, but I would like the Pronger contract to work out this way.
On a related note, here's an thought about luxury tax and the cap (via PuckDaddy): http://cyclelikesedins.blogspot.com/200 ... y-tax.html
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