It kind of depends how you interpret the numbers. Recent research suggests that being abused in childhood does not necessarily pre-dispose a person to becoming an abuser themselves. No causal relationship has been shown, as most people who were abused do not become abusers themselves. On top of that, if childhood abuse was a link to becoming an abuser, one would expect more female paedophiles, as girls are more often the victims of sexual abuse in childhood than boys, in one study as many as 1 in 4 girls compared to 1 in 9 boys report unwanted sexual contact by the time they are 18. Boys however are more likely to be victims of repeated abuse. One study revealed that around 20% of male child sex offenders admit they were abused themselves, which leaves 80% of offenders with no history of it in childhood. While some 73-100% of female offenders reported sexual abuse in childhood, they still only account for about 1% of paedophiles.
While it can be interpreted that most paedophiles were abused themselves, when you extract the raw data, the picture is less clear. People who were abused themselves are at an increased risk of becoming an abuser, but still the majority of abusers were not abused as children, and the vast majority of abuse victims do not become abusers. Recent research uncovered a number of other factors that pre-dispose a person to paedophilia and also reveal a strong correlation with other psychiatric disorders,-"Fifty percent to 70% of pedophiles can be diagnosed as
having another paraphilia, such as frotteurism, exhibitionism,
voyeurism, or sadism.7,12,25"- with childhood head trauma, it has found paedophiles are most often male, of short stature, with a lower than average IQ.
This canadian study had some interesting results:
"Pedophilia might be the result of faulty connections in the brain, according to new research released by the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health (CAMH). The study used MRIs and a sophisticated computer analysis technique to compare a group of pedophiles with a group of non-sexual criminals. The pedophiles had significantly less of a substance called “white matter.” which is responsible for wiring the different parts of the brain together.
The study, published in the Journal of Psychiatric Research, challenges the commonly held belief that pedophilia is brought on by childhood trauma or abuse. This finding is the strongest evidence yet that pedophilia is instead the result of a problem in brain development.
Previous research from this team has strongly hinted that the key to understanding pedophilia might be in how the brain develops. Pedophiles have lower IQs, are three times more likely to be left-handed, and even tend to be physically shorter than non-pedophiles. "
From a personal point of view, I think this is a really complex issue, with many causative factors. It's a psychiatric disorder and should be treated as such. The difficulty is how to treat it? There are no drugs available to switch this off in people. Treatment programs seem to be notorious for failing with these people and rehabilitation success is low.
interesting. i had no idea. guess that blows my theory
but yes, that is another thing i heard... rehabilitation for this one is pretty difficult to manage. there's a very good and disturbing movie on this subject. kevin bacon was in it, think it was called the woodsman. it does seem jail is the best place for them. some kind of lockdown anyway.
interesting. i had no idea. guess that blows my theory
but yes, that is another thing i heard... rehabilitation for this one is pretty difficult to manage. there's a very good and disturbing movie on this subject. kevin bacon was in it, think it was called the woodsman. it does seem jail is the best place for them. some kind of lockdown anyway.
I think you're right. While paedophilia may be a psychiatric illness, acting upon those urges or desires is illegal, and rightly so. It's a tough issue though, because society is generally pushing for the acceptance of psychiatric illness and the recognition that people suffering from an illness can't help what they do. On the one hand, you can say that having thoughts and desires about children is one thing, acting upon it is another and the person should learn to control themselves, on the other, how realistic is it to expect a person to be able to control something that by definition is beyond their control? And if this is the case, what do we do with these people? Their thoughts aren't criminal, but their actions are, and yet they have as much control as a schizophrenic has at controlling themselves............. in fact less so because the schizophrenic at least has access to medication that can control their disease to some extent.
As much as this appalls me, and sadly I have some personal experience with this....... I also feel terribly sorry for someone who is afflicted with this. It will never be accepted, and in a way, nor should it since it involves the most innocent of our societies and they need to be protected. I just hope that the research uncovers more definitive causes and develops a cure.
Im not there, I dont know what he is downloading or what we are really talking about here.
perhaps I should have said a MORE serious problem that would endanger the public
terminal velocity said his buddy was downloading child porn that wasn't even close to the "barely legal" stuff. So it seems to be pretty clear what he's downloading and what we're really talking about without the need to be there.
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You're not going to help him by ratting him out to the cops. That's only going to fuck up his life big time on your conscience. Depends if you think he might act on his "hobby"
Running to the authorities over everything solves nothing. It just makes the govt more intrusive in other areas as well.
Tell him you had to use his computer for a bit and found something. If he doesn't like it, or locks his computer....well....there's the door.
Also tell him to get his own internet connection by changing the wireless key, and telling him he's really lucky he's not hearing all this from behind bars. If that means he has to resort to internet cafe's or moves ...then fine... do it.
If it were me I'd probably kick him the hell out just the same regardless. Also make sure it's actually kiddy porn and not some barely legal type stuff.
Tough call.
This is the best advice you have gotten.
NO POLICE!!!!! Don't you understand that you will be as much a suspect as he is?
They will watch you and red flag you as well.
You have to confront him, and explore all avenues of damage control. You may need to purge all hard drives.
Sometimes calling the authorities is NOT the best solution.
This one is a pretty reputable journal, and the article itself is a of a high standard. This paper in particular shows that of the perpetrators involved in the study, 35% of them reported themselves as being victims of abuse in childhood. While this number is significant, it isn't the majority.
Ok you have a sick fetish... fine.. but your using someone ELSES computer?
Sweetheart he could get you in a lot of trouble.
What i would do if i was presented with this situation:
Tell that person that there has been a tragedy in your family and your family NEEDS to be alone. He has to leave. Do NOT tell him why. I would just make him leave and make him think its because of a family issues because you dont want the weirdo to come back for revenge. As much as i'd like to tell you to go to the police just to cover you and your family's end of it I can understand if you do NOT want to involve officials and bring attention to yourself. Because quite frankly, its not your fault and you were doing something nice and this person took major advantage. Because they do track that kind of stuff and they can do very very easily. If he has visited child pornography sites or downloaded ANYTHING.. it can be tracked. I feel really bad for you right now because ive had people really fuck me over when i was doing nothing but nice things for them. My bfs buddy got kicked out of his house and was homeless so we took him in and also let him live for months for free. He ended up completely being an asshole and owing us 200 dollars. So yes, you are not alone. Like i said, this is kind of a serious matter so i would highly suggest the following methods if you do not want to bring police or anything into the situation and clear your conscious.
STEP A: Get a new Hard Drive STEP B: Bust the HOLY MOTHER HELL out of the old one and dispose STEP C: Buy a brand new copy of windows (for ANY computer if its more than one and he has had access to it)
Its not that your doing anything bad except for protecting your obvious innocence in the matter.
But like many have suggested... if you still don't feel like getting rid of the guy first and foremost in manner where he doesnt think its his fault. If you do, at least dont ever confront him about what you know. He could become worried that you will tell and he will be put away for life. Friend or no friend people will turn on you in that sort of serious situation.
Just protect yourself and let us know how it all works out, hope this has helped.
Ps: You may want to consider turning him in to prevent and protect any children he may be around. This can be done anonymously and after the situation has blown over
NO POLICE!!!!! Don't you understand that you will be as much a suspect as he is?
They will watch you and red flag you as well.
You have to confront him, and explore all avenues of damage control. You may need to purge all hard drives.
Sometimes calling the authorities is NOT the best solution.
Great advice! Yes, by all means, cover up a felonly and tamper with evidence! That way when the asshole does get caught (and I hope he does at some point), you can be implicated as well, and they'll see that rather than come forward trying to be part of the solution, you actually helped the scumbag avoid getting caught. Brilliant!
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Yeah...just get rid of the evidence and then get rid of him. No need to call the cops.....after all it's not your kid.....:rolleyes:
This man needs help, these children need to be found, saved and protected from further harm....none of this is going to happen unless someone finds the balls to report him to the authorities.
Great advice! Yes, by all means, cover up a felonly and tamper with evidence! That way when the asshole does get caught (and I hope he does at some point), you can be implicated as well, and they'll see that rather than come forward trying to be part of the solution, you actually helped the scumbag avoid getting caught. Brilliant!
i disagreed with you before, but this time you're right. this one might be considered aiding and abetting... if you're not an accomplice.
I'm kind of surprised that no one has brought up the idea of reporting the OP to Kat and/or Sea & saying there's potential child pornography being downloaded through the DSL line.
My brother's a lawyer, the situation is, actually black & white. If it is child porn and is coming through your cable, you can be charged. Not him.
They will take your house. It's no joke. Why you've waited this long to do something about it is rather spineless.
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I'm kind of surprised that no one has brought up the idea of reporting the OP to Kat and/or Sea & saying there's potential child pornography being downloaded through the DSL line.
My brother's a lawyer, the situation is, actually black & white. If it is child porn and is coming through your cable, you can be charged. Not him.
They will take your house. It's no joke. Why you've waited this long to do something about it is rather spineless.
I think it was mentioned before...can't remember who.
And yes, it needs to be sorted asap.
Great advice! Yes, by all means, cover up a felonly and tamper with evidence! That way when the asshole does get caught (and I hope he does at some point), you can be implicated as well, and they'll see that rather than come forward trying to be part of the solution, you actually helped the scumbag avoid getting caught. Brilliant!
At least call a lawyer before going to the police.
All this guy has to do is say the porn is not his... He could blame the OP...
Then the police search search your home, which won't be pretty, then they arrest you if they find the porn, then it's all turned over to the Feds since it's a federal offense
It could get pretty ugly.
Hey it's noble to be a crusader for the children. But I wouldn't be running to the police without seeking help.
Chances are, if he's downloading child porn off the Internet the Feds already know about it since they already have an entire agency dedicated to Internet child pornography anyway and also ... Almost all child pornography originates from outside the US jurisdictions.
It is your IP address, your name. If he is caught by the police or FBI, YOUR name along with his will be placed in a sex file and you and your family will be stigmatized forever. You and your wife maybe even be require to register as a sex offender if the police or FBI does not believe your story. See you now know he is doing something illegal in your home so you can't pretend you didn't 'think he was that type of person' if something were to happen to a neighborhood child.
A person can stumble upon a child porn site and move on. For you to see pictures, he had to register, pay and download it, that means he is into this sick shit and that places you and your family in jeopardy. No matter how you decide to handle this problem, you do need to handle it quickly and have all the material removed from your home immediately.
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This one is a pretty reputable journal, and the article itself is a of a high standard. This paper in particular shows that of the perpetrators involved in the study, 35% of them reported themselves as being victims of abuse in childhood. While this number is significant, it isn't the majority.
We need a fucking update regarding what precisely happened last night when you confronted him about the sick situation ..
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Unfortunately, this is not a hypothetical question. My good friend, best man at my wedding, moved in with my wife and I 2 months ago. I was on his computer the other day, and I stumbled upon his uh, child pornography collection. 1.4 GB. What the fuck do I do? Can't imagine confronting him about it. For sure can't do nothing. The best I can think of is to delete the folder without his knowledge, making it gone, and letting him realize he's been caught. I feel violated that he's in our house rent-free, using our internet to do this. I feel sick now. Better get back to class..
You need to contact the police immediately. This guy needs to be taken off streets. Don't just delete it. he will just do it again. You need to think about "what if this was my children". What would you want done. I'm sure your answer would be to have him arrested.
Do it now.
At least call a lawyer before going to the police.
All this guy has to do is say the porn is not his... He could blame the OP...
Then the police search search your home, which won't be pretty, then they arrest you if they find the porn, then it's all turned over to the Feds since it's a federal offense
It could get pretty ugly.
Hey it's noble to be a crusader for the children. But I wouldn't be running to the police without seeking help.
Chances are, if he's downloading child porn off the Internet the Feds already know about it since they already have an entire agency dedicated to Internet child pornography anyway and also ... Almost all child pornography originates from outside the US jurisdictions.
to everyone who is saying to permanently delete it: I thought it's not permanently gone, it can be recovered. Also, a lawyer told me that whenever google something, there is a record of it. He said you can smash your hard drive and send it into space, but everything you searched on is kept on file. So everything he searched on is kept on file. I would make him leave. I think if you do not turn him in, you are an accessory. Wipe your finger prints off of his computer.
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to everyone who is saying to permanently delete it: I thought it's not permanently gone, it can be recovered. Also, a lawyer told me that whenever google something, there is a record of it. He said you can smash your hard drive and send it into space, but everything you searched on is kept on file. So everything he searched on is kept on file. I would make him leave. I think if you do not turn him in, you are an accessory. Wipe your finger prints off of his computer.
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nice... yah i dont see why anyone would advise you not to call the police... you are doing the community a great service... if you were at all involved in it you wouldnt call the police about it... theres no way your "friend" can turn this around or get you involved... you had no way of knowing what it was he was doing... legal council probably wouldnt be a bad idea... but i wouldnt waste too much time
good luck! and do the right thing! no friendship is worth endangering the safety of children... i dont know what % of kiddie porn enthusiasts are actually involved in acts of pedophilia, but i imagine its like any other fetish and eventually the pictures wont be enough to quench his desires...
nice... yah i dont see why anyone would advise you not to call the police... you are doing the community a great service... if you were at all involved in it you wouldnt call the police about it... theres no way your "friend" can turn this around or get you involved... you had no way of knowing what it was he was doing... legal council probably wouldnt be a bad idea... but i wouldnt waste too much time
good luck! and do the right thing! no friendship is worth endangering the safety of children... i dont know what % of kiddie porn enthusiasts are actually involved in acts of pedophilia, but i imagine its like any other fetish and eventually the pictures wont be enough to quench his desires...
Even if this guy never acted on it and abused a child, child pornography is illegal all over the world and needs to be stopped. If there's no demand for it, there's no need to supply it. This guy looking at that kind of stuff helps to create the demand for it. This isn't just about the safety of the children he might potentially molest, it's about the safety of the children who are forced to pose/perform in this kind of pornography...... those kids are being hurt too. :(
I'm kind of surprised that no one has brought up the idea of reporting the OP to Kat and/or Sea & saying there's potential child pornography being downloaded through the DSL line.
My brother's a lawyer, the situation is, actually black & white. If it is child porn and is coming through your cable, you can be charged. Not him.
They will take your house. It's no joke. Why you've waited this long to do something about it is rather spineless.
That's what I was thinking...whatever the OP decides to do, he needs to do it quickly...
Coming on the internet and telling everyone these files were in your house before talking to a lawyer was probably not a good idea....There are thousands of people that read this site...I'm sure there are more than a couple cops.... I'm sure there is a way for them to trace your IP back to your house after reading this thread...
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interesting. i had no idea. guess that blows my theory
but yes, that is another thing i heard... rehabilitation for this one is pretty difficult to manage. there's a very good and disturbing movie on this subject. kevin bacon was in it, think it was called the woodsman. it does seem jail is the best place for them. some kind of lockdown anyway.
I think you're right. While paedophilia may be a psychiatric illness, acting upon those urges or desires is illegal, and rightly so. It's a tough issue though, because society is generally pushing for the acceptance of psychiatric illness and the recognition that people suffering from an illness can't help what they do. On the one hand, you can say that having thoughts and desires about children is one thing, acting upon it is another and the person should learn to control themselves, on the other, how realistic is it to expect a person to be able to control something that by definition is beyond their control? And if this is the case, what do we do with these people? Their thoughts aren't criminal, but their actions are, and yet they have as much control as a schizophrenic has at controlling themselves............. in fact less so because the schizophrenic at least has access to medication that can control their disease to some extent.
As much as this appalls me, and sadly I have some personal experience with this....... I also feel terribly sorry for someone who is afflicted with this. It will never be accepted, and in a way, nor should it since it involves the most innocent of our societies and they need to be protected. I just hope that the research uncovers more definitive causes and develops a cure.
Im not there, I dont know what he is downloading or what we are really talking about here.
perhaps I should have said a MORE serious problem that would endanger the public
terminal velocity said his buddy was downloading child porn that wasn't even close to the "barely legal" stuff. So it seems to be pretty clear what he's downloading and what we're really talking about without the need to be there.
This is the best advice you have gotten.
NO POLICE!!!!! Don't you understand that you will be as much a suspect as he is?
They will watch you and red flag you as well.
You have to confront him, and explore all avenues of damage control. You may need to purge all hard drives.
Sometimes calling the authorities is NOT the best solution.
http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/full/179/6/482
This one is a pretty reputable journal, and the article itself is a of a high standard. This paper in particular shows that of the perpetrators involved in the study, 35% of them reported themselves as being victims of abuse in childhood. While this number is significant, it isn't the majority.
Great advice....
Great advice! Yes, by all means, cover up a felonly and tamper with evidence! That way when the asshole does get caught (and I hope he does at some point), you can be implicated as well, and they'll see that rather than come forward trying to be part of the solution, you actually helped the scumbag avoid getting caught. Brilliant!
This man needs help, these children need to be found, saved and protected from further harm....none of this is going to happen unless someone finds the balls to report him to the authorities.
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i disagreed with you before, but this time you're right. this one might be considered aiding and abetting... if you're not an accomplice.
Are these children naked and posing?
Or being spied on through a window while taking a bath? Or in a catholic school uniform walking to school, having zero contact with the photographer?
I'm assuming the former, but if it's the latter then that makes a huge difference!
My brother's a lawyer, the situation is, actually black & white. If it is child porn and is coming through your cable, you can be charged. Not him.
They will take your house. It's no joke. Why you've waited this long to do something about it is rather spineless.
And yes, it needs to be sorted asap.
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Seriously though I love The Who, that was a low blow. I would confront the friend before I spoke to the authorities.
EDIT: Somebody beat me to it with the Townsend joke.
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At least call a lawyer before going to the police.
All this guy has to do is say the porn is not his... He could blame the OP...
Then the police search search your home, which won't be pretty, then they arrest you if they find the porn, then it's all turned over to the Feds since it's a federal offense
It could get pretty ugly.
Hey it's noble to be a crusader for the children. But I wouldn't be running to the police without seeking help.
Chances are, if he's downloading child porn off the Internet the Feds already know about it since they already have an entire agency dedicated to Internet child pornography anyway and also ... Almost all child pornography originates from outside the US jurisdictions.
A person can stumble upon a child porn site and move on. For you to see pictures, he had to register, pay and download it, that means he is into this sick shit and that places you and your family in jeopardy. No matter how you decide to handle this problem, you do need to handle it quickly and have all the material removed from your home immediately.
Thank you so much!
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
Do it now.
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Get a Lawyer NOW please
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good luck! and do the right thing! no friendship is worth endangering the safety of children... i dont know what % of kiddie porn enthusiasts are actually involved in acts of pedophilia, but i imagine its like any other fetish and eventually the pictures wont be enough to quench his desires...
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Even if this guy never acted on it and abused a child, child pornography is illegal all over the world and needs to be stopped. If there's no demand for it, there's no need to supply it. This guy looking at that kind of stuff helps to create the demand for it. This isn't just about the safety of the children he might potentially molest, it's about the safety of the children who are forced to pose/perform in this kind of pornography...... those kids are being hurt too. :(
That's what I was thinking...whatever the OP decides to do, he needs to do it quickly...
Coming on the internet and telling everyone these files were in your house before talking to a lawyer was probably not a good idea....There are thousands of people that read this site...I'm sure there are more than a couple cops.... I'm sure there is a way for them to trace your IP back to your house after reading this thread...
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