Fucked up situation

dunkman

chadwick wrote:

that's cause you are schooling yourself to become a lawyer , am i right.

you'd be right... is this catch22 guy a CON OR what?

i dont want to be an arsehole, singing to the mods about how come he's allowed back on here.. but come on!!



OP should contact the police.

catefrances

what was that dunk? you dont want to be an arsehole or you just cant help being one?

dunkman

catefrances wrote:

what was that dunk? you dont want to be an arsehole or you just cant help being one?

both.

p.s. paedophiles should be castrated...

CHANGEinWAVES

dunkman wrote:

p.s. paedophiles should be castrated...

their hands should be cut off too.

urbanhippie

The fact that this guy is just LOOKING doesn't make it better.
Everyday children are being hurt because he just wants to LOOK. He has a problem and he needs help, but not half as much help as those kids he's JUST LOOKING at.

know1

Is he in custody yet?

Heck - I think the mods should track the IP address and call the cops themselves.

meme

Medicated-Genius wrote:

Bare with me, I will try and get it together........

Now, are we sure scb has reached the age of consent?

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Medicated-Genius wrote:

I will try and figure out a way to link you up. Most of the research I do, I do through my University's account with various Journals and databases and requires my Uni log in. I will try and put one here now, let me know if it works, if not I can probably download the papers in PDF and send them to you.

Try this one:

Edit: Argh, removed the link coz I checked it and it doesn't work. Bare with me, I will try and get it together........ :(

Thanks for trying. I have a university account as well, so I might be able to access them if you just give me the citations. Don't sweat it though.

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Medicated-Genius wrote:

It kind of depends how you interpret the numbers. Recent research suggests that being abused in childhood does not necessarily pre-dispose a person to becoming an abuser themselves. No causal relationship has been shown, as most people who were abused do not become abusers themselves. On top of that, if childhood abuse was a link to becoming an abuser, one would expect more female paedophiles, as girls are more often the victims of sexual abuse in childhood than boys, in one study as many as 1 in 4 girls compared to 1 in 9 boys report unwanted sexual contact by the time they are 18. Boys however are more likely to be victims of repeated abuse. One study revealed that around 20% of male child sex offenders admit they were abused themselves, which leaves 80% of offenders with no history of it in childhood. While some 73-100% of female offenders reported sexual abuse in childhood, they still only account for about 1% of paedophiles.
While it can be interpreted that most paedophiles were abused themselves, when you extract the raw data, the picture is less clear. People who were abused themselves are at an increased risk of becoming an abuser, but still the majority of abusers were not abused as children, and the vast majority of abuse victims do not become abusers. Recent research uncovered a number of other factors that pre-dispose a person to paedophilia and also reveal a strong correlation with other psychiatric disorders,-"Fifty percent to 70% of pedophiles can be diagnosed as
having another paraphilia, such as frotteurism, exhibitionism,
voyeurism, or sadism.7,12,25"- with childhood head trauma, it has found paedophiles are most often male, of short stature, with a lower than average IQ.

This canadian study had some interesting results:

"Pedophilia might be the result of faulty connections in the brain, according to new research released by the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health (CAMH). The study used MRIs and a sophisticated computer analysis technique to compare a group of pedophiles with a group of non-sexual criminals. The pedophiles had significantly less of a substance called “white matter.” which is responsible for wiring the different parts of the brain together.

The study, published in the Journal of Psychiatric Research, challenges the commonly held belief that pedophilia is brought on by childhood trauma or abuse. This finding is the strongest evidence yet that pedophilia is instead the result of a problem in brain development.

Previous research from this team has strongly hinted that the key to understanding pedophilia might be in how the brain develops. Pedophiles have lower IQs, are three times more likely to be left-handed, and even tend to be physically shorter than non-pedophiles. "

From a personal point of view, I think this is a really complex issue, with many causative factors. It's a psychiatric disorder and should be treated as such. The difficulty is how to treat it? There are no drugs available to switch this off in people. Treatment programs seem to be notorious for failing with these people and rehabilitation success is low.

This is good, useful info. I understand that it's complicated, but it's this part in bold that I was most curious about.

Stelly

If it is legit child porn, you need to turn his ass in.

I just had a friend from college get arrested on approx. 120 counts of child porn. I can't even begin to tell you the number of lives he's ruined, not to mention the damage he has done to the victims.

Call the Police. NOW!

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meme wrote:

Now, are we sure scb has reached the age of consent?

I'm not telling.

catch22

Medicated-Genius wrote:

It kind of depends how you interpret the numbers. Recent research suggests that being abused in childhood does not necessarily pre-dispose a person to becoming an abuser themselves. No causal relationship has been shown, as most people who were abused do not become abusers themselves. On top of that, if childhood abuse was a link to becoming an abuser, one would expect more female paedophiles, as girls are more often the victims of sexual abuse in childhood than boys, in one study as many as 1 in 4 girls compared to 1 in 9 boys report unwanted sexual contact by the time they are 18. Boys however are more likely to be victims of repeated abuse. One study revealed that around 20% of male child sex offenders admit they were abused themselves, which leaves 80% of offenders with no history of it in childhood. While some 73-100% of female offenders reported sexual abuse in childhood, they still only account for about 1% of paedophiles.
While it can be interpreted that most paedophiles were abused themselves, when you extract the raw data, the picture is less clear. People who were abused themselves are at an increased risk of becoming an abuser, but still the majority of abusers were not abused as children, and the vast majority of abuse victims do not become abusers. Recent research uncovered a number of other factors that pre-dispose a person to paedophilia and also reveal a strong correlation with other psychiatric disorders,-"Fifty percent to 70% of pedophiles can be diagnosed as
having another paraphilia, such as frotteurism, exhibitionism,
voyeurism, or sadism.7,12,25"- with childhood head trauma, it has found paedophiles are most often male, of short stature, with a lower than average IQ.

This canadian study had some interesting results:

"Pedophilia might be the result of faulty connections in the brain, according to new research released by the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health (CAMH). The study used MRIs and a sophisticated computer analysis technique to compare a group of pedophiles with a group of non-sexual criminals. The pedophiles had significantly less of a substance called “white matter.” which is responsible for wiring the different parts of the brain together.

The study, published in the Journal of Psychiatric Research, challenges the commonly held belief that pedophilia is brought on by childhood trauma or abuse. This finding is the strongest evidence yet that pedophilia is instead the result of a problem in brain development.

Previous research from this team has strongly hinted that the key to understanding pedophilia might be in how the brain develops. Pedophiles have lower IQs, are three times more likely to be left-handed, and even tend to be physically shorter than non-pedophiles. "

From a personal point of view, I think this is a really complex issue, with many causative factors. It's a psychiatric disorder and should be treated as such. The difficulty is how to treat it? There are no drugs available to switch this off in people. Treatment programs seem to be notorious for failing with these people and rehabilitation success is low.

interesting. i had no idea. guess that blows my theory

but yes, that is another thing i heard... rehabilitation for this one is pretty difficult to manage. there's a very good and disturbing movie on this subject. kevin bacon was in it, think it was called the woodsman. it does seem jail is the best place for them. some kind of lockdown anyway.

Medicated-Genius

catch22 wrote:

interesting. i had no idea. guess that blows my theory

but yes, that is another thing i heard... rehabilitation for this one is pretty difficult to manage. there's a very good and disturbing movie on this subject. kevin bacon was in it, think it was called the woodsman. it does seem jail is the best place for them. some kind of lockdown anyway.

I think you're right. While paedophilia may be a psychiatric illness, acting upon those urges or desires is illegal, and rightly so. It's a tough issue though, because society is generally pushing for the acceptance of psychiatric illness and the recognition that people suffering from an illness can't help what they do. On the one hand, you can say that having thoughts and desires about children is one thing, acting upon it is another and the person should learn to control themselves, on the other, how realistic is it to expect a person to be able to control something that by definition is beyond their control? And if this is the case, what do we do with these people? Their thoughts aren't criminal, but their actions are, and yet they have as much control as a schizophrenic has at controlling themselves............. in fact less so because the schizophrenic at least has access to medication that can control their disease to some extent.
As much as this appalls me, and sadly I have some personal experience with this....... I also feel terribly sorry for someone who is afflicted with this. It will never be accepted, and in a way, nor should it since it involves the most innocent of our societies and they need to be protected. I just hope that the research uncovers more definitive causes and develops a cure.

Get_Right

meme wrote:

Did you write "if the guy has a problem"?

yes I did.

Im not there, I dont know what he is downloading or what we are really talking about here.

perhaps I should have said a MORE serious problem that would endanger the public

jeffbr

Get_Right wrote:

yes I did.

Im not there, I dont know what he is downloading or what we are really talking about here.

perhaps I should have said a MORE serious problem that would endanger the public

terminal velocity said his buddy was downloading child porn that wasn't even close to the "barely legal" stuff. So it seems to be pretty clear what he's downloading and what we're really talking about without the need to be there.

Strangest Tribe

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

You're not going to help him by ratting him out to the cops. That's only going to fuck up his life big time on your conscience. Depends if you think he might act on his "hobby"

Running to the authorities over everything solves nothing. It just makes the govt more intrusive in other areas as well.

Tell him you had to use his computer for a bit and found something. If he doesn't like it, or locks his computer....well....there's the door.

Also tell him to get his own internet connection by changing the wireless key, and telling him he's really lucky he's not hearing all this from behind bars. If that means he has to resort to internet cafe's or moves ...then fine... do it.

If it were me I'd probably kick him the hell out just the same regardless. Also make sure it's actually kiddy porn and not some barely legal type stuff.

Tough call.

This is the best advice you have gotten.

NO POLICE!!!!! Don't you understand that you will be as much a suspect as he is?
They will watch you and red flag you as well.
You have to confront him, and explore all avenues of damage control. You may need to purge all hard drives.

Sometimes calling the authorities is NOT the best solution.

Medicated-Genius

scb


http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/full/179/6/482

This one is a pretty reputable journal, and the article itself is a of a high standard. This paper in particular shows that of the perpetrators involved in the study, 35% of them reported themselves as being victims of abuse in childhood. While this number is significant, it isn't the majority.

Strangest Tribe

LeatherMandi wrote:

OMG THAT BASTARD!

Ok you have a sick fetish... fine.. but your using someone ELSES computer?
Sweetheart he could get you in a lot of trouble.


What i would do if i was presented with this situation:

Tell that person that there has been a tragedy in your family and your family NEEDS to be alone. He has to leave. Do NOT tell him why. I would just make him leave and make him think its because of a family issues because you dont want the weirdo to come back for revenge. As much as i'd like to tell you to go to the police just to cover you and your family's end of it I can understand if you do NOT want to involve officials and bring attention to yourself. Because quite frankly, its not your fault and you were doing something nice and this person took major advantage. Because they do track that kind of stuff and they can do very very easily. If he has visited child pornography sites or downloaded ANYTHING.. it can be tracked. I feel really bad for you right now because ive had people really fuck me over when i was doing nothing but nice things for them. My bfs buddy got kicked out of his house and was homeless so we took him in and also let him live for months for free. He ended up completely being an asshole and owing us 200 dollars. So yes, you are not alone. Like i said, this is kind of a serious matter so i would highly suggest the following methods if you do not want to bring police or anything into the situation and clear your conscious.


STEP A: Get a new Hard Drive
STEP B: Bust the HOLY MOTHER HELL out of the old one and dispose
STEP C: Buy a brand new copy of windows (for ANY computer if its more than one and he has had access to it)

Its not that your doing anything bad except for protecting your obvious innocence in the matter.


But like many have suggested... if you still don't feel like getting rid of the guy first and foremost in manner where he doesnt think its his fault. If you do, at least dont ever confront him about what you know. He could become worried that you will tell and he will be put away for life. Friend or no friend people will turn on you in that sort of serious situation.


Just protect yourself and let us know how it all works out, hope this has helped.

Ps: You may want to consider turning him in to prevent and protect any children he may be around. This can be done anonymously and after the situation has blown over

Great advice....

jeffbr

Strangest Tribe wrote:

This is the best advice you have gotten.

NO POLICE!!!!! Don't you understand that you will be as much a suspect as he is?
They will watch you and red flag you as well.
You have to confront him, and explore all avenues of damage control. You may need to purge all hard drives.

Sometimes calling the authorities is NOT the best solution.

Great advice! Yes, by all means, cover up a felonly and tamper with evidence! That way when the asshole does get caught (and I hope he does at some point), you can be implicated as well, and they'll see that rather than come forward trying to be part of the solution, you actually helped the scumbag avoid getting caught. Brilliant!

urbanhippie

Yeah...just get rid of the evidence and then get rid of him. No need to call the cops.....after all it's not your kid.....:rolleyes:

This man needs help, these children need to be found, saved and protected from further harm....none of this is going to happen unless someone finds the balls to report him to the authorities.