Fluminense twins Rafael and Fabio have been snapped up by Manchester United.
Sir Alex Ferguson has agreed a deal for the 15-year-old Brazilian brothers to head for Old Trafford in three years' time when they will be allowed to move to England.
The Brazil Under-15 internationals caught Ferguson's eye during a youth tournament in Hong Kong and play on both sides of the pitch as wing backs.
It is understood that the twins have already spent time training in Manchester, speaking Portuguese to first team winger Cristiano Ronaldo.
Rafael told Terra: "He said to go there, That it would be good for us.
"We met him (Ronaldo) in Manchester and he responded by giving us advice."
Fabio believes there is much to achieve before he joins United in 2008 as he turns 16 in July and holds a Portuguese passport.
He explained: "Until then, we will wait to participate in the South American and World Under 17 Championships with Brazil,
"We are very motivated. It is a great possibility to give a better life for our family."
It might be wrong, but reading this post gave me the idea that you have used some while writing. Hahahaha
I couldn't make haed nor tail out of it.
I thought about it for hours I'm glade that you noticed my hard work. hahahaha.
???????????????
I don't understand what it is that you don't get.
Unless the second part was a joke. then hahahahaha
« One man's glory is another man's hell.
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
« One man's glory is another man's hell.
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
What remains though is that you really talked down to a league that is respected as a supplier for the top leagues.( The Dutch league )
For as long as I can remember (which is at least twenty years) we were in or around the number 6 position on the UEFA club table and this compared to the FIFA Countries table that really means something.
I feel you need to say that you were wrong to post with the attitude you did. There was no respect in your tone.
I apologize that you thought I was being disrespectful. However, look at how you're defending the Eredivisie:
The Dutch league is a feeder league.
There are at least 5 leagues ranked above the Dutch league based on UEFA coefficients
Now, don't get me wrong. When I was growing up and learning about the game, the Ajax teams and then the PSV teams were a joy to watch. But the fact remains (and I DO say this with respect and more than a healthy dose of reality) that because of money (I admit freely to that), the Dutch league has been left behind a bit by the upper-echelon leagues in Europe (e.g. La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A, EPL).
Does that make it right? No. I hate it that money dictates so much of the game and a guy like Roman Abramovich can essentially buy the title and teams resemble a United Nations lineup more than teams representing the countries they're from. THAT much I respect Dutch teams for--they actually put Dutch players on the field. If I had my way, the 3-foreigner rule would make a comeback.
However, look at how you're defending the Eredivisie:
The Dutch league is a feeder league.
There are at least 5 leagues ranked above the Dutch league based on UEFA coefficients
I feel I was quit realistic myself. I do feel our league is a good league. The Italian, Spanish and English league are just better, but that doesn't mean it can't be good. The French and the German league aren't that much better.
I reckon that is pretty good having a 6th/7th position especially if the number 5 position is the best you could possible achieve.
Now, don't get me wrong. When I was growing up and learning about the game, the Ajax teams and then the PSV teams were a joy to watch. But the fact remains (and I DO say this with respect and more than a healthy dose of reality) that because of money (I admit freely to that), the Dutch league has been left behind a bit by the upper-echelon leagues in Europe (e.g. La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A, EPL).
You are forgetting Feyenoord.
It hasn't been left behind, it was always behind. And still we manage to do pretty well.
- 6 times the Europa cup one.
- 1 Europa cup two.
- 4 times the UEFA cup.
I am fairly satisfied with that taking in regard that we are not a top league country.
Does that make it right? No. I hate it that money dictates so much of the game and a guy like Roman Abramovich can essentially buy the title and teams resemble a United Nations lineup more than teams representing the countries they're from. THAT much I respect Dutch teams for--they actually put Dutch players on the field. If I had my way, the 3-foreigner rule would make a comeback.[/quote]
I would love to go back to the old rules. However we could win as it is. I do mean could, not will. Last year we were close, I don't think Liverpool would have beaten PSV if they would've been in the final instead of Milan.
« One man's glory is another man's hell.
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
I would love to go back to the old rules. However we could win as it is. I do mean could, not will. Last year we were close, I don't think Liverpool would have beaten PSV if they would've been in the final instead of Milan.
Who knows? I hate Liverpool myself, but even I was drawn more and more into that game. It was a strange night. One of those once-in-a-lifetime games.
And maybe PSV would've won......after all, Dudek was in goal.
HAH! It all comes full circle now LOL
And one final comment about the Eredivisie: it could always be worse. It could be down low enough on the caliber of some Mickey Mouse leagues. Like say........the MLS. :rolleyes: Now THAT is a league destined to be nothing more than a developmental league.
Who knows? I hate Liverpool myself, but even I was drawn more and more into that game. It was a strange night. One of those once-in-a-lifetime games.
That trophy had Liverpool's name written on it even before the game was kicked off...it was one of those things.
It's a shame that most bias fans see it as we don't deserve it etc.
to play against a side like AC Milan the way we did in the 2nd half was just one of those days when I told meself..i'm so glad to be supporting this club.
even during the route to the finals..we never did have a full strength squad available to play til the semi final stage so in that sense too I was proud of last season's accomplishments.
Future is looking very bright here and all of the Kopites cannot wait for next season.
But for now...we have the FA Cup final to keep us occupied.
YNWA
LIVERPOOL FC -18 time League Champions-15 time Charity Shield Holders-7 time League Cup Winners-7 time FA Cup Winners-5 time European Champions-4 time UEFA Cup Winners-3 time European Super Cup Winners-1 time World Super Cup Winners
seems now manu wants to buy Torres ....seems like the whole EPL wants him:D
Fergie is an idiot. He really think he can sell RvN for alot of money. But RvN will not leave, RvN will only leave for PSV. And PSV offered Manure 7,4 million euros. That's enough for a striker who isn't even on the bench.
Fergie is an idiot. He really think he can sell RvN for alot of money. But RvN will not leave, RvN will only leave for PSV. And PSV offered Manure 7,4 million euros. That's enough for a striker who isn't even on the bench.
Bye, bye Fergie you're the weakest link.
well but RVD is still a big name and the world is about money...but the way is maybe a bit harsh ....but it´s so ...
Who knows? I hate Liverpool myself, but even I was drawn more and more into that game. It was a strange night. One of those once-in-a-lifetime games.
And maybe PSV would've won......after all, Dudek was in goal.
HAH! It all comes full circle now LOL
And one final comment about the Eredivisie: it could always be worse. It could be down low enough on the caliber of some Mickey Mouse leagues. Like say........the MLS. :rolleyes: Now THAT is a league destined to be nothing more than a developmental league.
Oh I don't hate Liverpool. I'm not that excited with them the last few years, all though things are a little better now than that they were under Hollier.
Liverpool-Everton was the first Cup-final and English match I ever saw. I believe it was 1989. Liverpool has always been a club that I liked eversince, not my favourite English club though.
However let us consider the circle made full. Hahahaha.
« One man's glory is another man's hell.
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
Fergie is an idiot. He really think he can sell RvN for alot of money. But RvN will not leave, RvN will only leave for PSV. And PSV offered Manure 7,4 million euros. That's enough for a striker who isn't even on the bench.
Bye, bye Fergie you're the weakest link.
It would be a bargain though. If Ruud comes back home then that will be worth sending Fergeson some flowers, even is he is an idiot.
« One man's glory is another man's hell.
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
damn I can't wait...Alonso's fit for the final too.
expecting a tough game but if we can score an early i think it could set the tempo of the game to our advantage cos I don't remember too many West Ham comebacks
COME ON YOU REDS!
YNWA
LIVERPOOL FC -18 time League Champions-15 time Charity Shield Holders-7 time League Cup Winners-7 time FA Cup Winners-5 time European Champions-4 time UEFA Cup Winners-3 time European Super Cup Winners-1 time World Super Cup Winners
Liverpool-Everton was the first Cup-final and English match I ever saw. I believe it was 1989. Liverpool has always been a club that I liked eversince, not my favourite English club though.
yup was 1989...we beat them
LIVERPOOL FC -18 time League Champions-15 time Charity Shield Holders-7 time League Cup Winners-7 time FA Cup Winners-5 time European Champions-4 time UEFA Cup Winners-3 time European Super Cup Winners-1 time World Super Cup Winners
And then 4 days later.........poor Liverpool fans.
6 days after actually..:|
LIVERPOOL FC -18 time League Champions-15 time Charity Shield Holders-7 time League Cup Winners-7 time FA Cup Winners-5 time European Champions-4 time UEFA Cup Winners-3 time European Super Cup Winners-1 time World Super Cup Winners
We were having a BBQ and I went in and out of the house back and forth to get the meat and see the match.
I don't remember the score line, I remember being very excited by the match. It was very hot that day. I also remember John Barners.
« One man's glory is another man's hell.
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
damn I can't wait...Alonso's fit for the final too.
expecting a tough game but if we can score an early i think it could set the tempo of the game to our advantage cos I don't remember too many West Ham comebacks
COME ON YOU REDS!
YNWA
everthing can happen:D ...more intresting for me Hamburg will win;)
« One man's glory is another man's hell.
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
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oh so your youth is good too:D
and the final is rusia vs chech republik
Fluminense twins Rafael and Fabio have been snapped up by Manchester United.
Sir Alex Ferguson has agreed a deal for the 15-year-old Brazilian brothers to head for Old Trafford in three years' time when they will be allowed to move to England.
The Brazil Under-15 internationals caught Ferguson's eye during a youth tournament in Hong Kong and play on both sides of the pitch as wing backs.
It is understood that the twins have already spent time training in Manchester, speaking Portuguese to first team winger Cristiano Ronaldo.
Rafael told Terra: "He said to go there, That it would be good for us.
"We met him (Ronaldo) in Manchester and he responded by giving us advice."
Fabio believes there is much to achieve before he joins United in 2008 as he turns 16 in July and holds a Portuguese passport.
He explained: "Until then, we will wait to participate in the South American and World Under 17 Championships with Brazil,
"We are very motivated. It is a great possibility to give a better life for our family."
i hope that won´t be to much pressure on him...
it´s bec. fabregas urges them to do that...
we will see...
I thought about it for hours I'm glade that you noticed my hard work. hahahaha.
???????????????
I don't understand what it is that you don't get.
Unless the second part was a joke. then hahahahaha
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
Hahahaha
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You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
The Dutch league is a feeder league.
There are at least 5 leagues ranked above the Dutch league based on UEFA coefficients
Now, don't get me wrong. When I was growing up and learning about the game, the Ajax teams and then the PSV teams were a joy to watch. But the fact remains (and I DO say this with respect and more than a healthy dose of reality) that because of money (I admit freely to that), the Dutch league has been left behind a bit by the upper-echelon leagues in Europe (e.g. La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A, EPL).
Does that make it right? No. I hate it that money dictates so much of the game and a guy like Roman Abramovich can essentially buy the title and teams resemble a United Nations lineup more than teams representing the countries they're from. THAT much I respect Dutch teams for--they actually put Dutch players on the field. If I had my way, the 3-foreigner rule would make a comeback.
Thanks
I feel I was quit realistic myself. I do feel our league is a good league. The Italian, Spanish and English league are just better, but that doesn't mean it can't be good. The French and the German league aren't that much better.
I reckon that is pretty good having a 6th/7th position especially if the number 5 position is the best you could possible achieve.
You are forgetting Feyenoord.
It hasn't been left behind, it was always behind. And still we manage to do pretty well.
- 6 times the Europa cup one.
- 1 Europa cup two.
- 4 times the UEFA cup.
I am fairly satisfied with that taking in regard that we are not a top league country.
Does that make it right? No. I hate it that money dictates so much of the game and a guy like Roman Abramovich can essentially buy the title and teams resemble a United Nations lineup more than teams representing the countries they're from. THAT much I respect Dutch teams for--they actually put Dutch players on the field. If I had my way, the 3-foreigner rule would make a comeback.[/quote]
I would love to go back to the old rules. However we could win as it is. I do mean could, not will. Last year we were close, I don't think Liverpool would have beaten PSV if they would've been in the final instead of Milan.
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
And maybe PSV would've won......after all, Dudek was in goal.
HAH! It all comes full circle now LOL
And one final comment about the Eredivisie: it could always be worse. It could be down low enough on the caliber of some Mickey Mouse leagues. Like say........the MLS. :rolleyes: Now THAT is a league destined to be nothing more than a developmental league.
well just a notice...for the record;);)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JzoNqUJE9yY&search=nike%20Eric%20Cantona
It's a shame that most bias fans see it as we don't deserve it etc.
to play against a side like AC Milan the way we did in the 2nd half was just one of those days when I told meself..i'm so glad to be supporting this club.
even during the route to the finals..we never did have a full strength squad available to play til the semi final stage so in that sense too I was proud of last season's accomplishments.
Future is looking very bright here and all of the Kopites cannot wait for next season.
But for now...we have the FA Cup final to keep us occupied.
YNWA
Walk on with hope in your heart
YNWA
but mostley i follow tommorow the HSV-Bremen match
Hamburg meine Perle
Hamburg will win but sad that VDv ain´t fit...
but so much is goin on here now creazy stuff will hsv supporters do to make hamburg to win:D
and the euphorie is really huge ...Hamburg has to win and will win...
Fergie is an idiot. He really think he can sell RvN for alot of money. But RvN will not leave, RvN will only leave for PSV. And PSV offered Manure 7,4 million euros. That's enough for a striker who isn't even on the bench.
Bye, bye Fergie you're the weakest link.
well but RVD is still a big name and the world is about money...but the way is maybe a bit harsh ....but it´s so ...
Nope, RvN told that he will not leave Manure.
Oh I don't hate Liverpool. I'm not that excited with them the last few years, all though things are a little better now than that they were under Hollier.
Liverpool-Everton was the first Cup-final and English match I ever saw. I believe it was 1989. Liverpool has always been a club that I liked eversince, not my favourite English club though.
However let us consider the circle made full. Hahahaha.
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
It would be a bargain though. If Ruud comes back home then that will be worth sending Fergeson some flowers, even is he is an idiot.
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
damn I can't wait...Alonso's fit for the final too.
expecting a tough game but if we can score an early i think it could set the tempo of the game to our advantage cos I don't remember too many West Ham comebacks
COME ON YOU REDS!
YNWA
Walk on with hope in your heart
YNWA
Walk on with hope in your heart
YNWA
That's IF memory serves me correctly. It's been a while.
Walk on with hope in your heart
YNWA
We were having a BBQ and I went in and out of the house back and forth to get the meat and see the match.
I don't remember the score line, I remember being very excited by the match. It was very hot that day. I also remember John Barners.
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
so what??....so he stays?
everthing can happen:D ...more intresting for me Hamburg will win;)
You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»